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Lil69Leo
04/04/17 6:48:43 PM
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jamieyello3 posted...
Say what you want about atheists but I can't think of a single real world example of atheists discriminating.


Lol ok there.
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jamieyello3
04/04/17 7:14:46 PM
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Lil69Leo posted...
Lol ok there.

In the real world, not the internet.

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Dreamsaber
04/04/17 7:28:21 PM
#53:


jamieyello3 posted...
Say what you want about atheists but I can't think of a single real world example of atheists discriminating.
You're inability to think of examples has no bearing on atheists discriminating against religious individuals.
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deoxxys
04/04/17 9:51:49 PM
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jamieyello3 posted...
adjl posted...
To be fair, anyone tagging their videos with "atheism" is probably spending most of the video hating on some religion or another. Cutting ties with that sort of behaviour is a pretty reasonable move for advertisers.

Yet you show obvious prejudice to Atheists. Most atheists only criticize religions that are constantly infringing other people's (sometimes their own) rights, when they infringe on their rights. They'll complain about pro-lifers when women can't get abortions. Or at least they used to, now SJWs are the fad and most of those channels will just come out and admit they beat that dead horse for views. Can't remember the last time I heard an Atheist "hate" on Buddhism.

No one is hating anyone because they belong to a religion, but again you seem very hostile to atheists which is hypocritical


Theres nothing wrong with someone using logic and proof to point out bullshit, whether its with Religion or SJWs
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deoxxys
04/04/17 9:52:12 PM
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Claude_Frollo posted...
Who's AIU?

Atheism is Unstoppable
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Snuggletoof
04/04/17 10:13:07 PM
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jamieyello3 posted...
Can't remember the last time I heard an Atheist "hate" on Buddhism.

Really, most Atheists have great respect for Buddhism. Especially the "Born Again Atheists" who had a religious upbringing. I suppose I don't know much about it, but Buddhism seems much more about loving and respecting yourself than any other religion which would appeal more to an Atheist.
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wwinterj25
04/04/17 10:30:48 PM
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Now where do I go to watch videos on Satan worshipping?
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Zero_Maniac
04/04/17 10:40:46 PM
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Howlitzer posted...
I can agree with that. Atheism is also a freedom that should be afforded to all people in the same way as religion. And in the same way you should learn to know your place, which is not to say that you're required to accept injustice (since religion has a tendency to be a front for all kinds of bullshit) but waging pointless and counterproductive battles doesn't help anyone.

Nu wave atheism is my biggest annoyance besides third wave feminism and to a lesser extent the Catholic Church.

What does the Catholic Church even do these days to be annoying? Pope Francis these days says stuff almost blatantly contrary to the Christian faith (claiming that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, for example), which should be more annoying to Catholic Christians than any other faction.

Catholicism has really just gotten attacked and crapped on by liberals, atheists, and SJWs/feminists for decades at this point. It's not like the Pope has announced another crusade (although honestly, he really should call a crusade on ISIS).

Anyways, as a Catholic myself, this news upsets me. I don't want atheism banned or censored from the media. I think it's healthy for the Church to have theological opponents, because otherwise we would get even more complacent than we have.
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wah_wah_wah
04/04/17 10:48:35 PM
#59:


jamieyello3 posted...
Say what you want about atheists but I can't think of a single real world example of atheists discriminating.

But if you are an atheist you are likely not going to be seeing that discrimination as much since... you obviously wouldn't be the target of it
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wah_wah_wah
04/04/17 10:52:39 PM
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Zero_Maniac posted...
What does the Catholic Church even do these days to be annoying? Pope Francis these days says stuff almost blatantly contrary to the Christian faith (claiming that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, for example), which should be more annoying to Catholic Christians than any other faction.

For all he's built up to be this reformer, what he says is basically empty and contradictory enough not to get him in too much trouble with the right and it never translates into action that would get the Church to stop promoting harmful and dangerous practices in developing countries. I really don't like Pope Francis at all, particularly the left's love of Pope Francis. He is not a reformer, he is just skilled public relations hack.
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Zero_Maniac
04/04/17 11:07:46 PM
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wah_wah_wah posted...
Zero_Maniac posted...
What does the Catholic Church even do these days to be annoying? Pope Francis these days says stuff almost blatantly contrary to the Christian faith (claiming that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, for example), which should be more annoying to Catholic Christians than any other faction.

For all he's built up to be this reformer, what he says is basically empty and contradictory enough not to get him in too much trouble with the right and it never translates into action that would get the Church to stop promoting harmful and dangerous practices in developing countries. I really don't like Pope Francis at all, particularly the left's love of Pope Francis. He is not a reformer, he is just skilled public relations hack.

What does the bolded mean?

And the Church doesn't even need reforming. That all happened last millennium. We aren't handing out indulgences like candy, the Church isn't a pyramid scheme designed to launder money (as much as people like to think and say it is), and we're not violently crusading against people who reject Christianity (at least, no sane Catholic is).

Changing Church doctrine to suit the liberal-leaning world is probably what people mean when they say the Church needs a reformation, but that's just not going to happen. Homosexuality (as well as other sexualities aside from heterosexuality) will always be considered a sin just like masturbation and viewing pornography. The problem isn't the doctrine at all, it's the peoples' attitude. No matter what kind of sin people fall into, the goal should be to encourage them to repent, not to ridicule them. If they don't want to repent, that means you pray for them or passively encourage them to do so. Unfortunately, we have a lot of close-minded people who only know how to ridicule rather than encourage.

Of course, some of the blame is on the LGBT community for encouraging LGBT "Catholics" to be obstinate in their sin, and that's probably why Catholics react so poorly to homosexuality and get labeled as homophobes.
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wah_wah_wah
04/04/17 11:10:28 PM
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Zero_Maniac posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
Zero_Maniac posted...
What does the Catholic Church even do these days to be annoying? Pope Francis these days says stuff almost blatantly contrary to the Christian faith (claiming that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, for example), which should be more annoying to Catholic Christians than any other faction.

For all he's built up to be this reformer, what he says is basically empty and contradictory enough not to get him in too much trouble with the right and it never translates into action that would get the Church to stop promoting harmful and dangerous practices in developing countries. I really don't like Pope Francis at all, particularly the left's love of Pope Francis. He is not a reformer, he is just skilled public relations hack.

What does the bolded mean?

And the Church doesn't even need reforming. That all happened last millennium. We aren't handing out indulgences like candy, the Church isn't a pyramid scheme designed to launder money (as much as people like to think and say it is), and we're not violently crusading against people who reject Christianity (at least, no sane Catholic is).

Changing Church doctrine to suit the liberal-leaning world is probably what people mean when they say the Church needs a reformation, but that's just not going to happen. Homosexuality (as well as other sexualities aside from heterosexuality) will always be considered a sin just like masturbation and viewing pornography. The problem isn't the doctrine at all, it's the peoples' attitude. No matter what kind of sin people fall into, the goal should be to encourage them to repent, not to ridicule them. If they don't want to repent, that means you pray for them or passively encourage them to do so. Unfortunately, we have a lot of close-minded people who only know how to ridicule rather than encourage.

Of course, some of the blame is on the LGBT community for encouraging LGBT "Catholics" to be obstinate in their sin, and that's probably why Catholics react so poorly to homosexuality and get labeled as homophobes.

It sounds like you've already made up your mind about shit and I don't feel like getting into an argument. Just know that Francis is not a reformer at all.
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Zero_Maniac
04/04/17 11:11:20 PM
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wah_wah_wah posted...
Zero_Maniac posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
Zero_Maniac posted...
What does the Catholic Church even do these days to be annoying? Pope Francis these days says stuff almost blatantly contrary to the Christian faith (claiming that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, for example), which should be more annoying to Catholic Christians than any other faction.

For all he's built up to be this reformer, what he says is basically empty and contradictory enough not to get him in too much trouble with the right and it never translates into action that would get the Church to stop promoting harmful and dangerous practices in developing countries. I really don't like Pope Francis at all, particularly the left's love of Pope Francis. He is not a reformer, he is just skilled public relations hack.

What does the bolded mean?

And the Church doesn't even need reforming. That all happened last millennium. We aren't handing out indulgences like candy, the Church isn't a pyramid scheme designed to launder money (as much as people like to think and say it is), and we're not violently crusading against people who reject Christianity (at least, no sane Catholic is).

Changing Church doctrine to suit the liberal-leaning world is probably what people mean when they say the Church needs a reformation, but that's just not going to happen. Homosexuality (as well as other sexualities aside from heterosexuality) will always be considered a sin just like masturbation and viewing pornography. The problem isn't the doctrine at all, it's the peoples' attitude. No matter what kind of sin people fall into, the goal should be to encourage them to repent, not to ridicule them. If they don't want to repent, that means you pray for them or passively encourage them to do so. Unfortunately, we have a lot of close-minded people who only know how to ridicule rather than encourage.

Of course, some of the blame is on the LGBT community for encouraging LGBT "Catholics" to be obstinate in their sin, and that's probably why Catholics react so poorly to homosexuality and get labeled as homophobes.

It sounds like you've already made up your mind about shit and I don't feel like getting into an argument. Just know that Francis is not a reformer at all.

I'm not arguing against you. I'm in agreement with you. I'm just saying that the Church doesn't need a reformation anyways. If you disagree with that, that's another matter entirely.
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Mead
04/04/17 11:12:57 PM
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Oh good I was worried we wouldn't have theological debate in this topic
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Zero_Maniac
04/04/17 11:18:42 PM
#65:


Mead posted...
Oh good I was worried we wouldn't have theological debate in this topic

Not really a theological debate. We seem to be in agreement that Pope Francis is not a reformer. The other details he doesn't want to argue, and so I won't press them.
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Howlitzer
04/04/17 11:24:10 PM
#66:


wah_wah_wah posted...
For all he's built up to be this reformer, what he says is basically empty and contradictory enough not to get him in too much trouble with the right and it never translates into action that would get the Church to stop promoting harmful and dangerous practices in developing countries.

This is really the heart of my gripe. There's no weight to all of these statements and it ends up falling into the territory of lukewarm Christianity which is not only the laziest kind but the worst ideologically speaking. Since most people seem to have trouble parsing Protestants from Catholics, at least in the crazyland of social media and buzzwords it ends up taking everyone along for the ride.

The happy-go-lucky everyone's a sinner and that's okay hippieisms need to be tempered with the same amount of cold reality. Francis in particular likes to talk like he's in the cool kids' club and drags his feet when it comes to serious business, coming off as two-sided and shady which means nobody actually trusts him. The last thing the Church should do is conform to what the left wants but church reform (internally) is a constant and ongoing process. The progress of the last millennium might as well be called surface cleaning.

One of the biggest problems is the thought that the Church is at war or in conflict with strict liberals/Islam/etc. when it's all just a bunch of distracting skirmishes. The whole LGBT mess is one of those.
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Lightning Bolt
04/04/17 11:24:57 PM
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Snuggletoof posted...
Really, most Atheists have great respect for Buddhism. Especially the "Born Again Atheists" who had a religious upbringing. I suppose I don't know much about it, but Buddhism seems much more about loving and respecting yourself than any other religion which would appeal more to an Atheist.

I think it's more that Buddhism is almost purely meditative. There's no creation myth or any magical explanations for natural phenomena (i.e. no god), which are things that turn Atheists off of other religions.
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Claude_Frollo
04/04/17 11:33:18 PM
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Lightning Bolt posted...
Snuggletoof posted...
Really, most Atheists have great respect for Buddhism. Especially the "Born Again Atheists" who had a religious upbringing. I suppose I don't know much about it, but Buddhism seems much more about loving and respecting yourself than any other religion which would appeal more to an Atheist.

I think it's more that Buddhism is almost purely meditative. There's no creation myth or any magical explanations for natural phenomena (i.e. no god), which are things that turn Atheists off of other religions.


There is a mythological aspect to it(lotus flower), but otherwise, this.
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Snuggletoof
04/04/17 11:37:47 PM
#69:


Lightning Bolt posted...
Snuggletoof posted...
Really, most Atheists have great respect for Buddhism. Especially the "Born Again Atheists" who had a religious upbringing. I suppose I don't know much about it, but Buddhism seems much more about loving and respecting yourself than any other religion which would appeal more to an Atheist.

I think it's more that Buddhism is almost purely meditative. There's no creation myth or any magical explanations for natural phenomena (i.e. no god), which are things that turn Atheists off of other religions.

I agree
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Zero_Maniac
04/04/17 11:55:41 PM
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Howlitzer posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
For all he's built up to be this reformer, what he says is basically empty and contradictory enough not to get him in too much trouble with the right and it never translates into action that would get the Church to stop promoting harmful and dangerous practices in developing countries.

This is really the heart of my gripe. There's no weight to all of these statements and it ends up falling into the territory of lukewarm Christianity which is not only the laziest kind but the worst ideologically speaking. Since most people seem to have trouble parsing Protestants from Catholics, at least in the crazyland of social media and buzzwords it ends up taking everyone along for the ride.

The happy-go-lucky everyone's a sinner and that's okay hippieisms need to be tempered with the same amount of cold reality. Francis in particular likes to talk like he's in the cool kids' club and drags his feet when it comes to serious business, coming off as two-sided and shady which means nobody actually trusts him. The last thing the Church should do is conform to what the left wants but church reform (internally) is a constant and ongoing process. The progress of the last millennium might as well be called surface cleaning.

One of the biggest problems is the thought that the Church is at war or in conflict with strict liberals/Islam/etc. when it's all just a bunch of distracting skirmishes. The whole LGBT mess is one of those.

What do you mean by the bolded? If you mean the Church constantly changes what is and isn't sin, that's not quite accurate. If you mean that the Church is slowly learning how to deal with LGBT "Catholics" (I put Catholics in quotes because people who are obstinately LGBT are not real Catholics/Christians just how people who are obstinate in any other type of sin are not real Catholics/Christians), then yes, it's reforming.
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wah_wah_wah
04/05/17 12:08:54 AM
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Lightning Bolt posted...
Snuggletoof posted...
Really, most Atheists have great respect for Buddhism. Especially the "Born Again Atheists" who had a religious upbringing. I suppose I don't know much about it, but Buddhism seems much more about loving and respecting yourself than any other religion which would appeal more to an Atheist.

I think it's more that Buddhism is almost purely meditative. There's no creation myth or any magical explanations for natural phenomena (i.e. no god), which are things that turn Atheists off of other religions.

It doesn't really have to do much with doctrine as much as, Western atheists don't have much contact with Buddhists at all so therefore they mythologize it as "the one good religion" even though if they did their homework there are tons of acts of violence by Buddhists and historically it hasn't been a religion always organized around the principles of peace.
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deoxxys
04/05/17 12:58:48 AM
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Cant you guys see this isnt about atheism or even offending people?

Its about Youtube ruining a perfectly good platform based off their arbitrary whims on what they they think is morally acceptable.
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DarkKirby2500
04/05/17 1:09:33 AM
#73:


deoxxys posted...
Cant you guys see this isnt about atheism or even offending people?

Its about Youtube ruining a perfectly good platform based off their arbitrary whims on what they they think is morally acceptable.

I think it's more about google continuing to chase after their goal of youtube being self sustaining and creating a profit for them while not having to manage anything themselves. It's why they have a shoot first, ask questions later policy.
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RedSox342
04/05/17 1:14:58 AM
#74:


the free market will fix this
wait no it won't
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jamieyello3
04/05/17 1:25:27 AM
#75:


wah_wah_wah posted...
But if you are an atheist you are likely not going to be seeing that discrimination as much since... you obviously wouldn't be the target of it

I spent half my life as a religious person, but that's not actually relevant. Fact of the matter is no one here can come up with an example and that's pretty condemning.

And what makes Buddhism so great, is even if you don't believe in it, there's nothing on the line. There's no ridiculous standards or blackmail and you're just judged by how good of a person you are.

Christianity on the other hand is basically a threat, Jesus was pretty alright, but with Jesus we're spoon-fed old testament God and hell. Maybe Buddhism isn't great either and I just have no exposure to it.
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deoxxys
04/05/17 1:28:46 AM
#76:


jamieyello3 posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
But if you are an atheist you are likely not going to be seeing that discrimination as much since... you obviously wouldn't be the target of it

I spent half my life as a religious person, but that's not actually relevant. Fact of the matter is no one here can come up with an example and that's pretty condemning.


Yeah, all people can do here is suck the corporate dick and stand behind youtube no matter what it does, "CAZ its a private site and they can do what they WANT!"
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WhiskeyDisk
04/05/17 1:34:37 AM
#77:


deoxxys posted...
jamieyello3 posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
But if you are an atheist you are likely not going to be seeing that discrimination as much since... you obviously wouldn't be the target of it

I spent half my life as a religious person, but that's not actually relevant. Fact of the matter is no one here can come up with an example and that's pretty condemning.


Yeah, all people can do here is suck the corporate dick and stand behind youtube no matter what it does, "CAZ its a private site and they can do what they WANT!"


those are the literal terms you agreed to when signing up.
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Lokarin
04/05/17 1:41:09 AM
#78:


WhiskeyDisk posted...

those are the literal terms you agreed to when signing up.


Lets have lots of contracts that one party can change at any time!
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wah_wah_wah
04/05/17 1:41:20 AM
#79:


jamieyello3 posted...
I spent half my life as a religious person, but that's not actually relevant. Fact of the matter is no one here can come up with an example and that's pretty condemning.

Cultural Revolution.
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