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OneTimeBen
03/31/17 8:58:44 PM
#1:


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/368/248/701/

It is what it sounds like. Apparently Yulin, China has an annual dog and cat massacre where they purposely tourture and butcher dogs and cats for consumption. I'm sure it wont stop anything but the more names the better. And sorry for the bummer on Friday night.
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aHappySacka
03/31/17 9:03:58 PM
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Why don't Indian people protest and make petitions about stopping the dirty North Americans from eating the sacred cows?
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SkynyrdRocker
03/31/17 9:04:28 PM
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aHappySacka posted...
Why don't Indian people protest the dirty North Americans from eating the sacred cows?

Maybe they do and we just don't hear about it.
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agesboy
03/31/17 9:08:07 PM
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arent pigs as intelligent as dogs
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SkynyrdRocker
03/31/17 9:08:32 PM
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agesboy posted...
arent pigs as intelligent as dogs

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InfestedAdam
03/31/17 9:08:53 PM
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Even as a cat lover, personally I'm fine with the consumption of cats and dogs. One can't expect all cultures to think the same. Some cultures don't eat beef or pork. Are we gonna bother listening to them if they try to stop us? However torturing said animals though I feel is wrong across the board. If you're gonna eat em, just give em a merciful death and be done with it.
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agesboy
03/31/17 9:08:59 PM
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maybe dogs are too and we just don't know it
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OneTimeBen
03/31/17 9:11:11 PM
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If you do sign. Give this topic a quick bump
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Cruddy_horse
03/31/17 10:17:29 PM
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So is this petition actually going to accomplish anything? Because everytime I see someone say"Sign this Petition!" it would accomplish absolutely nothing even if it does reach the target amount.


EDIT I noticed you said it won't do anything, so whats the point other then to waste my time?
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SusanGreenEyes
03/31/17 10:35:58 PM
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'm thinking nobody in China cares about whether people sign the petition.
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adjl
03/31/17 10:38:24 PM
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Where would this petition even go? I can't imagine the Chinese government is going to care about a random petition with a bunch of American names on it. China has its own animal rights folks that have protested this thing; stop being so arrogant as to assume Americans are the first people to find this behaviour objectionable, or that they have any power here whatsoever.
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Veedrock-
03/31/17 10:39:01 PM
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OneTimeBen posted...
where they purposely tourture

Source.
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OneTimeBen
03/31/17 11:09:19 PM
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Ok it's not like I'm the person that started the patition. It says it will be sent to the Chinese President. And as for a source on the allegation of torture I'm sure you wouldn't have to look hard to find one. Again, I'm just a third party in this thing and thought other people may care to know.
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dainkinkaide
04/01/17 12:37:16 AM
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I'm not going to insist that another country adopt my cultural standards. Who do you think I am, the British Empire?
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bulbinking
04/01/17 1:04:18 AM
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dainkinkaide posted...
I'm not going to insist that another country adopt my cultural standards. Who do you think I am, the British Empire?


Oh but we sure are happy to have them make our stuff despite them killing political dissidents for their organs.

People make me sick. Anybody who doesnt get why this is wrong has been brainwashed by marxist thought and is beyond all hope and not deserving of any compassion.
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Blighboy
04/01/17 1:13:43 AM
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Classic omnivore hypocrisy.
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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/01/17 1:44:45 AM
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OneTimeBen posted...
It is what it sounds like.

They celebrate a Fallout companion?
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OneTimeBen
04/01/17 4:42:28 AM
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bulbinking posted...
dainkinkaide posted...
I'm not going to insist that another country adopt my cultural standards. Who do you think I am, the British Empire?


Oh but we sure are happy to have them make our stuff despite them killing political dissidents for their organs.

People make me sick. Anybody who doesnt get why this is wrong has been brainwashed by marxist thought and is beyond all hope and not deserving of any compassion.

It is pretty screwed up that people really want to compare eating cats and dogs to pigs, cows and chickens. I understand doing what you have to do to eat but this is like midevil type shit here folks. Have you never had a pet?
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PaddysPub
04/01/17 4:45:53 AM
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if you want to eat some dog, i have good news
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helIy
04/01/17 5:00:41 AM
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bulbinking posted...
dainkinkaide posted...
I'm not going to insist that another country adopt my cultural standards. Who do you think I am, the British Empire?


Oh but we sure are happy to have them make our stuff despite them killing political dissidents for their organs.

People make me sick. Anybody who doesnt get why this is wrong has been brainwashed by marxist thought and is beyond all hope and not deserving of any compassion.

okay, if you don't like it then don't live there.

oh wait, you don't.

none of this has any effect on you at all.
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OneTimeBen
04/01/17 5:27:39 AM
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They believe when the animal is worked up and full of adrenaline when it is killed that the meat is better. Do one quick google on Chinese dog festival and look at the pictures. Ok
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Sarcasthma
04/01/17 5:32:31 AM
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OneTimeBen posted...
bulbinking posted...
dainkinkaide posted...
I'm not going to insist that another country adopt my cultural standards. Who do you think I am, the British Empire?


Oh but we sure are happy to have them make our stuff despite them killing political dissidents for their organs.

People make me sick. Anybody who doesnt get why this is wrong has been brainwashed by marxist thought and is beyond all hope and not deserving of any compassion.

It is pretty screwed up that people really want to compare eating cats and dogs to pigs, cows and chickens. I understand doing what you have to do to eat but this is like midevil type shit here folks. Have you never had a pet?

You do know some people keep pigs, cows, and chickens as pets, right?
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Sarcasthma
04/01/17 5:32:55 AM
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Also, relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-unYQp4kN0

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OneTimeBen
04/01/17 5:36:51 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
OneTimeBen posted...
bulbinking posted...
dainkinkaide posted...
I'm not going to insist that another country adopt my cultural standards. Who do you think I am, the British Empire?


Oh but we sure are happy to have them make our stuff despite them killing political dissidents for their organs.

People make me sick. Anybody who doesnt get why this is wrong has been brainwashed by marxist thought and is beyond all hope and not deserving of any compassion.

It is pretty screwed up that people really want to compare eating cats and dogs to pigs, cows and chickens. I understand doing what you have to do to eat but this is like midevil type shit here folks. Have you never had a pet?

You do know some people keep pigs, cows, and chickens as pets, right?

Yes. But people have goldfish as pets too. Not the same. Dogs and cats have been bred for thousands of years to be our companions.
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helIy
04/01/17 5:38:14 AM
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that's because they wanted to be our companions from the start, which made it a heck of a lot easier than, say, a bear.
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Sarcasthma
04/01/17 5:39:01 AM
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I'm sure people have been breeding dogs and cats for consumption for thousands of years, too.
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Zeus
04/01/17 5:42:52 AM
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adjl posted...
Where would this petition even go? I can't imagine the Chinese government is going to care about a random petition with a bunch of American names on it. China has its own animal rights folks that have protested this thing; stop being so arrogant as to assume Americans are the first people to find this behaviour objectionable, or that they have any power here whatsoever.


Silly adjl, petitions aren't about creating change, they're about making the participants feel better. It's the hypnox of activism: Does nothing, but makes you feel good.

dainkinkaide posted...
I'm not going to insist that another country adopt my cultural standards. Who do you think I am, the British Empire?


Zing!

bulbinking posted...
Oh but we sure are happy to have them make our stuff despite them killing political dissidents for their organs.


Pretty sure the claims about them killing dissidents is a hoax, although they were harvesting organs presumably against the deceased's former will and the wishes of the family.
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OneTimeBen
04/01/17 5:46:34 AM
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Like i said do a quick google search Chinese dog festival and look at the pictures. If that is just fine for you then go away.
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Sarcasthma
04/01/17 5:52:13 AM
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Okay, novice user.
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OneTimeBen
04/01/17 5:53:28 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
Okay, novice user.

What does that matter fool
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OneTimeBen
04/01/17 5:55:38 AM
#32:


Zeus posted...
adjl posted...
Where would this petition even go? I can't imagine the Chinese government is going to care about a random petition with a bunch of American names on it. China has its own animal rights folks that have protested this thing; stop being so arrogant as to assume Americans are the first people to find this behaviour objectionable, or that they have any power here whatsoever.


Silly adjl, petitions aren't about creating change, they're about making the participants feel better. It's the hypnox of activism: Does nothing, but makes you feel good.

dainkinkaide posted...
I'm not going to insist that another country adopt my cultural standards. Who do you think I am, the British Empire?


Zing!

bulbinking posted...
Oh but we sure are happy to have them make our stuff despite them killing political dissidents for their organs.


Pretty sure the claims about them killing dissidents is a hoax, although they were harvesting organs presumably against the deceased's former will and the wishes of the family.

Maybe someday there will be a cause you may want to sign a petition for or, maybe even donate money to. When you grow up.
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Sarcasthma
04/01/17 6:03:39 AM
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OneTimeBen posted...
Sarcasthma posted...
Okay, novice user.

What does that matter fool

I'm just wondering whose alt you are. That's all.
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OneTimeBen
04/01/17 6:07:32 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
OneTimeBen posted...
Sarcasthma posted...
Okay, novice user.

What does that matter fool

I'm just wondering whose alt you are. That's all.

Rest assured. No alternat account. Heard about the patition on a podcast I like. And though I would find like minded people here. Clearly wrong place to go. And it seems people may not have commented because of their GameFaqs reputation.
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SmallvilleCK
04/01/17 6:11:35 AM
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OneTimeBen posted...
Sarcasthma posted...
OneTimeBen posted...
Sarcasthma posted...
Okay, novice user.

What does that matter fool

I'm just wondering whose alt you are. That's all.

Rest assured. No alternat account. Heard about the patition on a podcast I like. And though I would find like minded people here. Clearly wrong place to go.

so what? are you a vegetarian? You eat pigs and cows don't you? How would you like it if indian people said they find it wrong that you eat cow, and said for you to stop it now?
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OneTimeBen
04/01/17 6:17:38 AM
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SmallvilleCK posted...
OneTimeBen posted...
Sarcasthma posted...
OneTimeBen posted...
Sarcasthma posted...
Okay, novice user.

What does that matter fool

I'm just wondering whose alt you are. That's all.

Rest assured. No alternat account. Heard about the patition on a podcast I like. And though I would find like minded people here. Clearly wrong place to go.

so what? are you a vegetarian? You eat pigs and cows don't you? How would you like it if indian people said they find it wrong that you eat cow, and said for you to stop it now?

These days most people agree religion is bs. So one people saying cows are reincarnated people is laughable. Seems far different to me. And this isn't about saying stop this now because we say so. It's stating that this is fucked up.
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SmallvilleCK
04/01/17 6:20:52 AM
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so what tc? That's their belief, like this is your personal belief. It ain't that far different. Most people in the world are religious. TC, you are an atheist?
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OneTimeBen
04/01/17 6:23:12 AM
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SmallvilleCK posted...
so what tc? That's their belief, like this is your personal belief. It ain't that far different. Most people in the world are religious. TC, you are an atheist?

No. There is a higher power but nobody living knows what it is. And I do believe in reincarnation but if you come back as a cow you deserved it.
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bulbinking
04/01/17 1:01:07 PM
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Sarcasthma posted...
I'm sure people have been breeding dogs and cats for consumption for thousands of years, too.


You would be wrong and shouldnt come up with ideas from scratch. Thats very dangerous to do and borderline scizophrenic.

Zeus posted...
adjl posted...
Where would this petition even go? I can't imagine the Chinese government is going to care about a random petition with a bunch of American names on it. China has its own animal rights folks that have protested this thing; stop being so arrogant as to assume Americans are the first people to find this behaviour objectionable, or that they have any power here whatsoever.


Silly adjl, petitions aren't about creating change, they're about making the participants feel better. It's the hypnox of activism: Does nothing, but makes you feel good.

dainkinkaide posted...
I'm not going to insist that another country adopt my cultural standards. Who do you think I am, the British Empire?


Zing!

bulbinking posted...
Oh but we sure are happy to have them make our stuff despite them killing political dissidents for their organs.


Pretty sure the claims about them killing dissidents is a hoax, although they were harvesting organs presumably against the deceased's former will and the wishes of the family.


http://www.dafoh.org/petition-to-the-united-nations/

Read and sign. No excuses to be uneducated with the existence of the internet
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OneTimeBen
04/01/17 1:06:11 PM
#41:


bulbinking posted...
Sarcasthma posted...
I'm sure people have been breeding dogs and cats for consumption for thousands of years, too.


You would be wrong and shouldnt come up with ideas from scratch. Thats very dangerous to do and borderline scizophrenic.

It is true we wanted cats for mice control and dogs to alert and keep big things away.
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Sarcasthma
04/01/17 1:23:15 PM
#42:


bulbinking posted...
Sarcasthma posted...
I'm sure people have been breeding dogs and cats for consumption for thousands of years, too.


You would be wrong and shouldnt come up with ideas from scratch. Thats very dangerous to do and borderline scizophrenic.

Never change, bulbinking.
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bulbinking
04/01/17 3:13:06 PM
#43:


Sarcasthma posted...
bulbinking posted...
Sarcasthma posted...
I'm sure people have been breeding dogs and cats for consumption for thousands of years, too.


You would be wrong and shouldnt come up with ideas from scratch. Thats very dangerous to do and borderline scizophrenic.

Never change, bulbinking.


Until something is observed one cannot claim it exists, no matter how much you think it does.

So what have you observed that makes you so sure of yourself that any culture has ever bred canines or felines as a source of food?
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Zeus
04/01/17 3:13:51 PM
#44:


OneTimeBen posted...
Maybe someday there will be a cause you may want to sign a petition for or, maybe even donate money to. When you grow up.


When somebody actually cares about a cause, they do more than sign a petition. Signing petitions is for slackivisits who are badly misinformed about an issue and don't want to do anything genuine to help it. They're the kind of yokels you can approach on the street and convince to sign a petition to "end women's suffrage" or "ban H2O." It's a feel-good effort that gives you the illusion of having done something when, particularly in this case, you've done nothing at all.

bulbinking posted...

http://www.dafoh.org/petition-to-the-united-nations/

Read and sign. No excuses to be uneducated with the existence of the internet


Your "evidence" is a petition which cites no sources. You talk about no excuses for being uneducated within the existence of the internet, but you're signing the equivalent of a bill complaining pizza shop sex dungeons in Washington, DC. Literally anybody can make a petition about anything and, with the right approach, get anybody to sign it. That Death Star petition got enough signatures to have the White House respond. I asked for ACTUAL evidence from reputable sources, which you've failed to provide.

Which isn't to say that it might not be happening, but the only "evidence" for it I can find is shaky and the source you provided has no evidence at all.
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bulbinking
04/01/17 3:15:24 PM
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Zeus posted...
Your "evidence" is a petition which cites no sources.


"In 2006, Canadian researchers human-rights attorney David Matas and former Secretary of State for Asia-Pacific David Kilgour conducted an investigation into allegations of organ harvesting from Falun Gong prisoners. Based on extensive circumstantial evidence, their report concluded that the allegations were true, and that tens of thousands of Falun Gong practitioners may have been killed for their organs.

In their book Bloody Harvest, Messrs. Matas and Kilgour quote a 2006 phone recording of a doctor from a Chinese hospital:

Caller: I want to know how long [the patients] have to wait [for a liver transplant].

Dr. Dai: The supply of organs we have, we have every day. We do them every day.

Caller: We want fresh, live ones.

Dr. Dai: They are all live, all live…

Caller: I heard some come from those who practice Falun Gong, those who are very healthy.

Dr. Dai: Yes, we have. I can’t talk openly to you over the phone.

Caller: If you can find me this type, I am coming very soon.

Dr. Dai: It’s OK. Please come.

After 1999, an exponential increase of transplantations in China coincided with the onset of the unlawful and brutal persecution of Falun Gong practitioners. In the absence of a public organ-donation program and a decrease in the number of executions, detained Falun Gong practitioners became part of a living pool of donors, ready to be organ harvested on demand. They have been contributing to the more than 10,000 transplants per year in China.

Falun Gong practitioners are subject to medical examinations while in detention, such as blood tests, urine tests, X‑rays, and physical exams. These examinations are unlikely to be motivated by health care concerns since detained Falun Gong practitioners are subject to persecution and torture. It is implausible that the detention centers would go to the extra expense for the exams unless there were financial returns.

There is a significant discrepancy between the number of organ transplants performed in China and the number of identifiable sources of organs, including death row prisoners. The PRC government has failed to adequately account for the sources of these organs.

Senior Chinese Communist Party officials are complicit in the forced organ harvesting from living Falun Gong practitioners. In 2012, David Matas said at the annual conference of the International Association of Genocide Scholars in San Francisco:

“On Nov. 30, 1999, the ‘610 Office’ [in China] called more than 3,000 officials to the Great Hall of the People in the capital to discuss the campaign against Falun Gong, which was then not going well. Demonstrations were continuing to occur at Tiananmen Square. The head of the ‘610 Office’, Li Lanqing, announced the government’s new policy on the movement:‘Defame their reputations, bankrupt them financially, and destroy them physically.’

A call to destroy Falun Gong physically is a call to genocide. It is not admittedly a call to genocide through sourcing their organs. Nonetheless, when that sourcing occurs, in the context of a call for physical destruction, the two should be linked. Organ sourcing is the means. Physical destruction is the intent.”

Under the format of “executing prisoners”, killing people to harvest their organs for transplantation is a crime against humanity and a breach of medical ethics. The demand for transplant organs must not justify the means.

Falun Gong practitioners, the largest group of prisoners of conscience in China, are the main targets of this crime against humanity."
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04/01/17 3:19:10 PM
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lol, omnis
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OneTimeBen
04/01/17 4:53:41 PM
#47:


EragonLover872 posted...
lol, omnis

Too weak to have a thought
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Zeus
04/01/17 5:00:12 PM
#48:


bulbinking posted...
Zeus posted...
Your "evidence" is a petition which cites no sources.


"In 2006, Canadian researchers human-rights attorney David Matas and former Secretary of State for Asia-Pacific David Kilgour conducted an investigation into allegations of organ harvesting from Falun Gong prisoners. Based on extensive circumstantial evidence, their report concluded that the allegations were true, and that tens of thousands of Falun Gong practitioners may have been killed for their organs.

In their book Bloody Harvest, Messrs. Matas and Kilgour quote a 2006 phone recording of a doctor from a Chinese hospital:

Caller: I want to know how long [the patients] have to wait [for a liver transplant].

Dr. Dai: The supply of organs we have, we have every day. We do them every day.

Caller: We want fresh, live ones.

Dr. Dai: They are all live, all live…

Caller: I heard some come from those who practice Falun Gong, those who are very healthy.

Dr. Dai: Yes, we have. I can’t talk openly to you over the phone.

Caller: If you can find me this type, I am coming very soon.

Dr. Dai: It’s OK. Please come.


Which mentions a book but doesn't link to the source or the alleged audio recording. Literally, it's the same evidence is presented as somebody calling a pizza parlor and asking for a pepperoni pizza and an 11 y/o girl.

More importantly, all of the references -- the book, the speech, etc -- use ONE person as a source. That doesn't stand any scrutiny. If there was a substantial amount of evidence, you'd have more than one source. There are more "experts" speaking out against fluoride in our drinking water than there you have claiming these massive, widespread crimes. And, bearing in mind that the ONE person making these claims makes a very good living doing so between his book and speaking engagements.
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Zeus
04/01/17 5:07:29 PM
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OneTimeBen
04/01/17 5:12:56 PM
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Zeus posted...
OneTimeBen posted...
Go to google


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/09/american-women-sign-petition-end-suffrage-prank_n_3565164.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2013/01/12/white-house-rejects-death-star-petittion/

There, some great examples of other petitions. Truly changing the world with those.

Google Chinese dog festival. Is this really something we should have happening in 2017?
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bulbinking
04/01/17 5:15:57 PM
#52:


Zeus posted...
OneTimeBen posted...
Go to google


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/09/american-women-sign-petition-end-suffrage-prank_n_3565164.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2013/01/12/white-house-rejects-death-star-petittion/

There, some great examples of other petitions. Truly changing the world with those.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7vT78_tGj0


When have you become such a big defender of China?
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OneTimeBen
04/01/17 5:17:04 PM
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So many fools. I
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