Board 8 > Lopen watches and talks about all the Royal Rumbles and ranks em. TURBO. #RELOAD

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Yeah so I decided I wanted to maximize this one month of the WWE Network I got <two months ago> for the Rumble, and watch all the Royal Rumbles.

Well long story short I didn't get through nearly as many of em as I thought I would before <Royal Rumble 2017>. But I was thinking I still wanted to watch through em all, so I kept going. Then one month became two, because well I am very slow. However, only 3 remain, so I'm pretty sure I will not need a third month! Incredible! But maybe I'll need a month of CHIKARAtopia for bonus expansion pack content.

If you like talking about Royal Rumbles or just listening to people talk about Royal Rumbles, then read on, and comment on. If you don't? Read on anyway. Wrestling is a dying craft, man, I need all the readership I can muster. And it'll hype you for <Next Year's Rumble>. I know it will.

If you want any of the write-ups for the ones I've already ranked, they're in the previous topic (https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/74906931 )-- I've got em all saved too so I can repost here if that purges or whatever.
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Current ranking (special extended second post edition with tiering):

MVP Tier (Must watches for any wrestling fan, even casual ones)
1. 1992
2. 2004

Mr Perfect Tier (Any long time wrestling fan should enjoy these)
3. 2002
4. 1997
5. 2007
6. 1990

The Miz Tier (Generally pretty awesome but some glaring flaws prevent these from being must watches)
7. 2011
8. 2001
9. 1994
10. 2009

Randy Orton Tier (Some big moments, and could be great matches with small tweaks, but not quite there. Probably fun if you really like Royal Rumbles.)
11. 2003
12. 2010
13. 1996
14. 1989
15. 1988
16. 2013

HHH Tier (Some enjoyable moments, but generally kinda boring or derivative, and more bad than good)
17. 1993
18. 2005
19. 2008
20. 1991
21. 1995
22. 1998

The Authority Tier (The type of stuff you want off your television well before it finishes. Even longtime fans should avoid these.)
23. 2014
24. 2012
25. 2000
26. 1999
27. 2006
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Royal Rumble 2015

This Rumble starts out pretty fun for me. R-Truth and Miz start (these two have terrible number luck) and #3 is Bubba Ray Dudley, who comes out to a huge reaction. Then Bray comes out, there's a Wyatt family scuffle, Bray is alone by #6. #7 is THE BOOGEYMAN HELL YEAH.

The Rumble kinda peaks for me here, and unfortunately it wasn't even nearly as cool as it could have been. First of all Bubba Ray had just come off a great run as Bully Ray in TNA, and TNA hadn't fallen off the map yet, so people knew this. Instead he's just a retro nostalgia act here, in early 00s Dudleyz gear, and using R-Truth as the D-Von of the night. What's worse is they screw up the only reason to make it R-Truth in that for the "wazzap" headbutt they don't have R-Truth go "WHAT'S UP!?" Also Boogeyman in my humble opinion EXPOSES Bray here-- Boogeyman is so much better than Bray at acting like a crazy dude it hurts and destroys him in the "creep off" they have.

Anyway it peaks here not because that was so great, but because the rest of this is just WWE trolling the audience repeatedly. Let's name the ways... Daniel Bryan gets in this year! Unceremoniously dumped out by a Bray and Rusev tandem. This causes the audience to bury the hell out of the match for quite some time, but they still like some guys.

For instance, Damien Mizdow comes out at 20 something and gets a HUGE reaction! Miz tries to send him to the back, Roman Reigns prevents Miz from getting in, Mizdow goes in! He is almost immediately dumped out. The audience returns to booing with even more fury. Dean Ambrose and Ziggler also get huge reactions. They manage to last a while at least.

The conclusion of the rumble really drives this home. Kane and Big Show make short work of the ring. They leave everyone laying, and very methodically lift unconscious men and gently place them on the apron, letting them fall out. You can feel the enthusiasm just draining from the crowd as it eventually gets to the cliche ending of SHIELD vs Kane and Show. Ambrose was a favorite, but everyone knows it's going to be Reigns who got the most boos out of everyone who came out, and well, it is indeed Reigns. If 2014's booking was tone deaf, this one is... just deaf. What an abomination. The Rock comes out for cheap Roman promotion-- the audience boos The Rock.

Oh and pretty much every "generic" complaint I've had about various other Rumbles comes to roost here. Number of people in the ring is never at the sweet spot (most of the time too little, too crowded late). The announcers have kept their "factoid announcing style" from 2014 meaning there's no excitement in the commentary just an endless regurgitation of FACTS about NUMBERS. Lot of laying around, and lots of Dragonball "everyone looks at the entrance for people coming out" moments. Even the damn Kofi spot was dumb, involving no real athleticism from him this time.

Royal Rumble Ranking
1992 > 2004 > 2002 > 1997 > 2007 > 1990 > 2011 > 2001 > 1994 > 2009 > 2003 > 2010 > 1996 > 1989 > 1988 > 2013 > 1993 > 2005 > 2008 > 1991 > 1995 > 1998 > 2014 > 2012 > 2000 > 1999 > 2006 > 2015

On the plus side, this show was not all bad! It has Miz and Mizdow, one of my favorite teams, and Mizdow's act ages pretty well and has me laughing. More importantly though... There's a triple threat between John Cena, Brock Lesnar, and Seth Rollins. This is probably my favorite Triple Threat of all time. You've got a strong dude vs a super strong dude and a scummy opportunist trying to pick the bones, and it just works so well. It's just rare to see a triple threat where the three play off of each other so well as they did here, and the whole is definitely better than the sum of its parts. Watch this triple threat if you haven't yet.
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Now I suppose the argument could be made "well the audience would crap on this regardless because they loved Bryan too much."

Well, yes and no. The way I see it you have 4 options here if you didn't want Bryan to win (Bryan winning should have been an option but I digress) but wanted the audience to not take a dump on what you're doing.

1. Dolph Ziggler. He was still kinda hot after "destroying the authority" (who had already come back at this point despite this being just over 2 months later). I don't think you could straight up book him vs Lesnar 1v1, but another triple threat at mania similar to the one we had on this show could've been okay.

2. Dean Ambrose. Still a new shield guy, without the backlash. You could've maybe had him vs Lesnar in a no dq match or something like what happened in 2016, but with Ambrose actually crazy enough in it to be credible.

3. Bubba Ray is booked in a way more fitting Bully Ray and less of a nostalgia act and wins the damn thing. Why not? A dude coming in fresh is the perfect time to make him a big deal. Guy could still go and could give a few good years I think.

And my personal favorite

4. Miz takes Mizdow's spot successfully, lasts till nearly the end but Mizdow remains at ringside/on the apron AGGRESSIVELY doing his stunt double act so people remember he's there the whole time. He gets eliminated in the Show/Kane stuff, with Mizdow trying to revive him for a while. Reigns wins in the exact same fashion, but ringside the refs are telling Mizdow he's still in the match! Mizdow goes for it, and successfully Santinos his way to a win. No idea how a title match with Lesnar would work but I don't really care.
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Royal Rumble 2014 was the start of when I noticed WWE let the fans take over their shows and it annoys me to my core to this day.
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It annoys me with some things. These Rumbles are generally things I'm okay with fans going roughshod cause they're actually bad-- I mostly just get annoyed when they do stuff like this when what's on the TV is actually fine. Like when they start spamming TEN! or random wrestler chants in a perfectly serviceable match or segment.

Like I definitely don't think these two rumbles were crapped on just because it wasn't Bryan winning. If it was I'd have a problem.
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I still can't get over the idea that this Rumble was meant to get Roman over and he's booked SO AWFULLY in it. He does nothing except lay around and then get lucky that Show and Kane inexplicably turn on each other. And then because of the "You forgot about RUSEV" spot, Rock was actually interfering DURING THE MATCH to help Roman win. It's a little thing but it so pointlessly cuts Roman's legs out from under him.

For a neat bit of trivia, check out who entered at #1 in the last 6 Rumbles (2010-2015)
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Ziggler Punk Miz
Ziggler Punk Miz

Huh.

Man. Given how much they like FACTS since Rumble 2014 I'd guess they rigged up Punk and Miz entirely for that second set.

Related: 3. The Miz proven true once again.

Also yeah Reigns doesn't really do anything now that I think about it. Then again hardly anyone does anything so at least he wasn't behind the curve.
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And then of course who is there to break up a fun pattern in 2016? Roman Reigns! Dashing any hope of a 2017 CM Punk return. Boo this man!
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Royal Rumble 2014 was the start of when I noticed WWE forgot how to do anything good with rumbles.

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While I'm here, another pet peeve.

When JBL entered in 2014, Cole was made to point out that it was the first time in the Rumble for "the JBL character."

God damn you Vince
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You know you've f***ed up when fans are chanting "We want Rusev" when he's at the peak of his prime in his Anti-American gimmick.

Make no mistake, 2015's Royal Rumble match is the absolute worst. The ppv itself gets a 4/10, and nearly all 4 of those points is because of Lesnar/Cena/Rollins, my personal pick for 2015's MotY. We also receive the following from said Rumble...

- Daniel Bryan getting eliminated the way he did. I'm aware that the Philly crowd would have s*** all over this regardless of when Bryan was eliminated, but I would've had him last towards the end, instead of going out the way he actually did.
- Big Show and Kane being made to look like gods. In 2015. Let that sink in for a moment.
- Speaking of those two, and Lopen's dislike for stats during the Rumble, we also had to put up with the announce crew hype Kane up for breaking HBK's all-time eliminations record, and for Big Show entering the top 5.
- Titus O'Neil was supposed to break Santino Marella's record for shortest time in the ring, but botched the clothesline from Reigns and Ambrose & lasted 4 seconds instead. He can't even be eliminated correctly.
- Kofi had the most anti-climatic "save" in this Rumble, just happening to coincidentally get tossed out while the Rosebuds are out there, who carry him back into the ring
- I also think they botched entrance orders. When Bray Wyatt gets on the mic the first time and begins ripping into the rest of the roster, I believe the next person was supposed to be Daniel Bryan. It was instead Zack Ryder, who gets tossed in 30 seconds and we have to wait another 2 minutes for Bryan.

The only thing I enjoyed from the Rumble match itself was DDP's appearance. And while I didn't enjoy this other part, I slightly chuckle now at the fact that when Daniel Bryan was eliminated, Goldust was instantly next once the timer hit zero. Only appropriate that the Titantron reads "s***tered Dreams" just seconds after Bryan gets eliminated.

And I believe this was the first ppv in WWE history where there were zero one-on-one matches.
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The best part of the rose buds is how they help kofi and then instantly leave and ignore their dude (Adam rose?) who gets eliminated right after

Shoulda been a reoccurring thing how they sit there protecting him
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ZeroSignal620 posted...

- I also think they botched entrance orders. When Bray Wyatt gets on the mic the first time and begins ripping into the rest of the roster, I believe the next person was supposed to be Daniel Bryan. It was instead Zack Ryder, who gets tossed in 30 seconds and we have to wait another 2 minutes for Bryan.

I think Wyatt jumped the gun and gave the speech that was meant to cue Bryan one entrant too early.

This doesn't explain why JBL said, "Sin Cara means you're eliminated" at least five minutes after Sin Cara was gone.
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Royal Rumble 2016

The gimmick behind this Rumble is it's for the title, and Roman Reigns at #1 must defend his title. You once again start with the two last guys from the last rumble, Roman Reigns and Rusev. Roman eliminates Rusev in short order, leading to #3, AJ Styles, who comes out to a massive reaction. Now I feel like if this was a well structured Rumble, this is where I'd say "this is where the Rumble really begins" but well, not really.

On the generic end, too much laying around and too much Dragonballing, and a lack of threats early, but the biggest thing is the announcing in this one is the worst yet, as Michael Cole and JBL are instantly generating in depth Rumble stats for each wrestler that comes out occupying 30 seconds, and the transition off of that usually involves awkward silence-- the dumbest instance is when Michael Cole rattles off the exact number of Rumbles Jack Swagger has been in simultaneously with the opening of his music-- like if this were real even if Michael Cole knew Swagger's statz off the top of his head he wouldn't be able to recite it as quickly. I feel like this irritation is going to haunt me in every Rumble from now till the day I die. Cannot unsee.

Now let's go through the moments-- most of which are annoying this time around.

Around number 12 you have R-Truth come out, set up a ladder in the ring, climb the ladder as everyone stares. DAT CRAZY TRUTH DON'T KNOW WHAT MATCH IT IS!! I love Truth but come on. Totally breaks momentum.

Around number 15, the League of Nations (remember these guys? me neither) assault Roman Reigns. An entire number and a half is spent assaulting Roman, Roman getting stretchered out, Roman deciding "no, I can walk, I'll walk ou--" wait wait if you can walk why are you leaving? What a heel.

The Wyatts (sans Bray) repeat the Show/Kane methodical dissection of the ring. This was so good last year let's do it again.

Brock comes out around 23. This is actually fun for a while with him suplexing all over the place. Miz comes out at 25 or so and is like "nope" and heads to the announce desk to 'bide his time'. Brock ends the Wyatt menace, but then Bray comes out 26 or so, and rather than enter the ring, sicks the Wyatts, who Brock already eliminated, on Brock. Brock handles them AGAIN, and has Bray alone-- they enter the ring AGAIN and finally get rid of him. Why shouldn't Bray just have these clowns do this for everyone.

Ziggler hits at 28, Miz decides to "take his moment" and attack Ziggler-- this serves to highlight what a heel Roman is as he hits the ring at 29, selling no injuries whatsoever. Triple H at 30 wins totally clean, eliminating both Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose in succession, which makes sense cause Roman is the heel here.

I'd originally thought I might reflect on this more favorably on a second watch, that maybe I'd been soured on it cause of Triple H winning-- but it turns out any hype I had for it depended on not knowing AJ Styles would be just another guy, or that Dean Ambrose had no chance to win. It being a Triple H vanity project (no doubt in my mind that he wanted to eliminate Reigns for the pop, win the title in a Rumble cause his buddy Ric did, and win two Rumbles cause RECORDZ) was just a small part of what this Rumble did wrong. It's basically 1999 in a lot of ways, with much worse commentary.

Dave Meltzer apparently rated this 4*. I don't think I can take any of his thoughts on a Rumble seriously ever again.

Royal Rumble Ranking
1992 > 2004 > 2002 > 1997 > 2007 > 1990 > 2011 > 2001 > 1994 > 2009 > 2003 > 2010 > 1996 > 1989 > 1988 > 2013 > 1993 > 2005 > 2008 > 1991 > 1995 > 1998 > 2014 > 2012 > 2000 > 1999 > 2006 > 2016 > 2015

Nothing to say about the undercard. Owens/Ambrose was decent enough I guess!
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Alright let's finish this off.

Royal Rumble 2017

This is the rumble of the behemoths. Brock, Goldberg, Taker, have all come back and they want to win. My snap reaction to seeing this was "omg this is the worst Rumble ever." I decided to put it off until the end, and to give it a rewatch. Turns out that watching it in the proper order gave me a real appreciation for the things it did well, or rather, things didn't do and was better off for.

The biggest thing it does well, relatively speaking, is the announcing. Your team is Cole, Graves, and Lawler. Corey Graves is good at what he does, and doesn't spam FACTS at you for every entry but rather tells you motivations behind the guy coming out, strategies, recent feuds, etc etc. Lawler is content to just shriek and make jokes most of the time, but had good interactions with Graves. The two of them together manage to suppress Cole's urge to spam FACTS to some extent rather than feeding into it like JBL did with MORE FACTS. Once he started one with the Miz and was CUT OFF. For the first time in years I'm not coming out of the Rumble being able to recite each number that has not won yet. This made me very happy as I feel like if you replace Cole with say Mauro and keep JBL off, the FACTS would be mostly purged from commentary. Rumbles aren't dead! Rejoice!

The first half of the Rumble is actually really good, too. You've got some comedy and hometown pandering early, then Braun Strowman comes out at #7, and he just DOMINATES EVERYONE, and it's done in an exciting way. Dude's running all over the place, hurling guys super far, going face to face with other mammoths like Big Show and Mark Henry and not caring. People aren't randomly pairing off-- there is only Strowman vs all, and he is treated as absolute priority one the whole time. There's even a pretty funny comedy moment where Ellsworth won't go in for a whole number, then Ambrose is the next number, tricks him into going in "on 3" leading to Ellsworth getting destroyed. If UNSTOPPABLE MONSTER BRAUN had continued the whole match this would've been in the running for the best ever.

Unfortunately he's eliminated at around #15 as a Ambrose/Zayn/Corbin tandem manage to get rid of him. The Rumble takes a dive off a cliff at this point. The formula of this match becomes very very clear. Guy comes in, everyone dragonballs his entrance, usually while down, and he hits his spots as guys come at him one at a time. This is amplified by the walkway which is over half a football field long, so the entrance itself tends to take 10 seconds even when they're sprinting.
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Now you'll say "Lopen-- this happens in every Rumble" and well, that may be to some extent. The problem with this one is guys just lay down. There's no brawling no slams, not even any teasing of eliminations-- and what little there is is done in nicely compartmentalized corners. Cesaro manages to swing everyone in the match (like 8 guys) one by one, without being interrupted till he's done. Let's look towards the end of the match, when Lesnar (26) and Goldberg (28) are in the ring facing off.

http://i.imgur.com/ZS8ietr.jpg

Look at all those dudes just lying dead or watching. This is how it is for most of the non-Braun match, and is an excellent segue into the second and third big problems with the match. The second being that Brock, Goldberg, and Taker are in the last five. Spreading em out a bit would be nice. The audience was getting restless towards the end. The third being that aside from these three (and Braun), the rest of the roster was just not treated on the same level. Only 4 guys aside from Roman got any offense on any of the three of them, and it was just brief clubbering which was quickly cut off. Brock was eliminated by Goldberg, Goldberg by Taker, Taker by Roman (off a distraction). This wouldn't be the worst thing, but between the three of them they had less than 10 matches total last year and their average age is over 46 years old. Guess all wrestlers less than 39 years old are a bunch of geeks huh.

Oh also, Roman was #30. Come on man he had a title match earlier what if he lost that. The winner was pretty unpredictable in this one, at least, unless you were reading dirt sheets... or the internet since it spread like wildfire.

So basically what I'm saying here while there is a LOT to hate about this, there's enough to like that my snap reaction was wrong. Very wrong. While this Rumble probably caused the most damage to the product of all of em, in a vacuum, where you pretend 46 year old men trampling your roster is cool, this isn't too bad. This Rumble isn't quite good but I felt a lot better coming out of than a lot of recent Rumbles.

Final Royal Rumble Ranking
1992 > 2004 > 2002 > 1997 > 2007 > 1990 > 2011 > 2001 > 1994 > 2009 > 2003 > 2010 > 1996 > 1989 > 1988 > 2013 > 1993 > 2005 > 2008 > 1991 > 1995 > 2017 > 1998 > 2014 > 2012 > 2000 > 1999 > 2006 > 2016 > 2015

Undercard on this one was actually pretty decent. Roman vs Owens was a fun match and Styles vs Cena might be their best match they've had. So all things considered this PPV is pretty okay.

(Finish with a two poster!)
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I think 2016 was the one with the big "Roman's napping" chant when Roman spent the match napping outside of the ring. That almost saved it. Almost
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Ohhhh... yeah, that was totally it. I was like "what the hell are they saying" for that chant. Couldn't make it out.
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DeathChicken posted...

I think 2016 was the one with the big "Roman's napping" chant when Roman spent the match napping outside of the ring. That almost saved it. Almost

That was Summerslam, when he and Ambrose faced Wyatt and Harper.
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Oh. Whoops. Well there was a chant I COULD NOT MAKE OUT ABOUT ROMAN on 2016. Or maybe 2017 I dunno.
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Anyway uh, guess that's the topic! Thanks everyone who read. It was pretty rough to get through that final stretch but hopefully I did it without coming off too bitter or overly critical.

Beyond thoughts on those last two, any huge disagreements you've had with the list? I figure 2006 is probably unpopular to be so low-- no idea on the reception for the others though.
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2017 was a better rumble than expected. If they had done the Goldberg, Brock stuff in the middle it might have been better.
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Ok so...watched Rumble 2012.

Ugh, yea, this was a really really weak Rumble. Way too many gimmicks, and a couple I enjoyed but they way over did it. So yea, I'd most likely place it around where you have it.



Also looking at where you placed 2015 and 2016.....I'm almost scared to watch them.
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Infinite Guantlets GO! Sure you won't know a lot of the people but who cares! I'm interested to see your reaction.

And you can get a free week trial to watch them.

Lopen posted...

Oh also, Roman was #30. Come on man he had a title match earlier what if he lost that.

Remember the older rumbles when double booked guys would look tired or beat up as they came down to the ring for the Rumble? I really wish someone would have shown Roman those. He comes out acting like his earlier match never happened. It pissed me off so much.
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muddersmilk posted...

Remember the older rumbles when double booked guys would look tired or beat up as they came down to the ring for the Rumble?

This was one good thing about the 2016 Rumble. Owens sold his injuries and didn't look 100% in that Rumble, considering he fought a last man standing match earlier in the night.

As for the 2017 Rumble, it was meh for the most part. But I will admit, despite their age and part-time status, I f***ing loved Taker teleporting out of nowhere when his number came up and going face to face with Goldberg. I just thought it was badass.

Lopen posted...

this serves to highlight what a heel Roman is as he hits the ring at 29, selling no injuries whatsoever.

The first few months of Roman in 2016 were unbearable. Not just what you mentioned at the Rumble, but following said Rumble. At Fastlane a month later, Roman takes a Kimura lock from Lesnar that lasts 40 seconds, and is immediately followed by four chair shots by Ambrose. Not even 10 seconds after the 4th chair shot from Ambrose, Reigns spears him for the win.
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Man you're just gonna watch em all aren't ya TUM. Honestly how you feel about 2014-2016 will largely depend on how much certain things irritate you.

And yeah I'll probably watch the CHIKARA rumbles soon. I probably know like 20% of the roster if I'm lucky but still should be fun.

Top 8 Non Rumble matches from the Royal Rumble PPVs. Would recommend watching all of these over any of the Rumbles except like 1992 and 2004. Maybe the ones in the second tier for the lower ones on the list, but still great matches here. (picked eight cause these are the main matches that stuck with me as great, not cause I really like the number eight)

1. Brock Lesnar vs John Cena vs Seth Rollins (2015)
2. Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit (2003)
3. Chris Jericho vs The Rock (2002)
4. John Cena vs AJ Styles (2017)
5. Shawn Michaels vs Marty Jannetty (1993)
6. John Cena vs Umaga (2007)
7. Diesel vs Bret Hart (1995)
8. The Rockers vs The Orient Express (1991)
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I'll say again that the 1992 Rumble might be my favorite pro wrestling match ever - it may be the funnest hour of wrestling you can ever find. I showed it to my girlfriend a while ago (she doesn't know or care about wrestling), and she laughed for a straight hour at Flair's cowardly antics.
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Which PPV series is next????
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i told lopen to do elimination chambers
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I have one day left of WWE Network and no desire to renew so no PPV series is next

That and I wouldn't really be interested in watching most of em. If Survivor Series had remained pure maybe.
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Lopen posted...

Man you're just gonna watch em all aren't ya TUM. Honestly how you feel about 2014-2016 will largely depend on how much certain things irritate you.

Yea at this point it seems like I've decided to do that lol. The Royal Rumble is just my favorite match so I can't help but want to watch and compare how I feel about them with others.

Like I mentioned before, the only reason I stopped in 2006 was due to there being less and less wrestlers I knew. However, after watching more it feels like I should have stopped after 2010 because 2011 is where I really stopped knowing most of the entrants.
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Quite a few differences between our rankings, but I think it's mainly because I prefer more crowded rings in my Rumbles. I can agree with most of the stuff on the bottom except I think 2000 is low. I really disliked 2002 but I feel that's the one match that I'll appreciate more on a rewatch. 2010 was my most hated Rumble, but 2015 probably tops it as the worst.

I'm planning a Battle Royal watchthrough in the future which will include the Rumbles so I'll be reranking my list then. I enjoyed reading your writeups, and congrats on finishing it!
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Yeah 2010 as least favorite makes a lot of sense if you like crowded rings as that one was pretty damn sparse. It was a little thin even for me and I generally like less in the ring. 2000 I probably would've been more okay with if Kai En Tai and the Mean Street Posse hadn't run in like 15 times but I may have been a bit harsh on it as that aside it wasn't all that bad-- I think having just watched 1999 my tolerance for buffoonery was really low.
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Where are the power rangers writeups
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Clearly, we need to enter Joshi matches writeups.

Lopen reviewing heel Saki Akai with a maid who interferes on her behalf. whew lad.
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Wrestling combat maids I bet we could get meisnewbie into this.

Also man I watched a few Power Rangers last night before going to sleep.

I've come to the conclusion that HGR was right and Goldar is the only one who is playing to win. He had some sorta power draining candle that had the essence of the green ranger in it, and his plot was to guard it the whole episode while the Power Rangers fought a dude, and the plan worked. I mean what when does that happen.
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I've come to the conclusion that HGR was right and Goldar is the only one who is playing to win. He had some sorta power draining candle that had the essence of the green ranger in it, and his plot was to guard it the whole episode while the Power Rangers fought a dude, and the plan worked. I mean what when does that happen.

Goldar was always a quality bad guy

then he turned face and never got anything done ever again
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

then he turned face and never got anything done ever again

hey its not his fault he got amnesia
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