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Jeff Zero
07/11/12 4:30:00 AM
#51:


Haha, you actually managed to like Singularity. Yep, I'm convinced. My girlfriend and I are the only Stargate fans on Earth who dislike it. I'm sorry, but the Carter turnabout stuff you mentioned, and the schmaltziness of the very heavily manipulative music, and the "I love you! XD" crap from Carter... it's supposed to be touching, but it's just a wreck to us. A complete trainwreck of what happens when writers try to force you to care about something at literary gunpoint. Awful, awful episode.

I'll seriously take Hathor over it. Hathor is 45 minutes of XMFD the-writers-are-drunk, as you very poignantly agreed, but it's good for... a... drinking... game. o_o

Cor-Ai kinda rocks as far as the first season is concerned. I'd put several episodes above it, but between it and Bloodlines, it's my preferred first-season Teal'c episode. Bloodlines is fine, especially because Bra'tac's introduction is so important and handled fairly well, but it too feels a bit forced-drama for my taste. That's a common thread in the first couple of years; I feel like that they got much better about making the drama feel more natural later on. As a bit of an actor, this stuff is important to me. I write too, so yeah.

I like Fire and Water. But I'm also a huge Daniel Jackson fan. I wanna be an archaeologist, among other things. I don't have any delusions of grandeur that I'll wind up living the life of Dr. Daniel Jackson, but he's always been my go-to inspiration for recognizing the splendor of other cultures, not Indiana Jones. Seeing him have to work with that alien was pretty cool, I thought.

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SovietOmega
07/11/12 12:01:00 PM
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I dunno if 'like' is the best word to use describing Singularity. I liked it much better before it was planet Dead People and girlbombs. The Carter thing had me groaning mostly and everything else was pretty standard stuff. Hathor was just bad. I would probably rank Bloodlines above Cor-Ai, though both reflect well on Teal'c's character and both are good episodes.

Episode 17: Enigma

Volcanoes erupting on a world...that's rarely good news.

These people seem perhaps more advanced than earth, Daniel suggesting that they might not have had a 'Dark Ages' period. I have heard this kind of view cited every now and then, but I am unsure how truthful it really is. Like, while Europe decided to play at knights and kings, the Arabic world was undergoing a renaissance in science and tech which eventually spread up Italy and the rest of Europe. Feel free to correct me on this though...

Anyway...

Tollan seems to be what they call themselves. Bit of an arrogant lot. You might even say....pompeiious

One of them seems to view Carter as something like an angel. Because all females are love interests of course.

KITTY~

...if I had a nickel for every cat with that name -___-. I remember a time when I appreciated the reference but...it gets old after a while. Makes you want to just put all the cats named that in a box with poison and lob radiation at them...naturally the reference needs to be explained to the audience too.

Apparently these folks are above quantum physics. I bet they don't believe in evolution either, they seem surprised other animals exist >_>;;

They wrestle a bit on the whole "We are superior than you" "C'mon, be reasonable" issue.

And scary people in suits come to take away these people who can walk through walls.

Narim: You are anything but primitive, Samantha. What your mind doesn't know, your heart fills in.
Sam: I don't know what that means, exactly, but it's beautiful.
Narim: Which is exactly what it means.

Translation: "You're stupid, but you have emotions!"

A plan is hatched and Daniel and the leader dude send out a notlaser to the Nox planet by totally not bending space. (amazing how little time he took to orient the machine given the distances involved and one stray nanometer could cause it to miss the Nox planet completely, at least in this primitive's opinion. And you also have the planet rotation and revolution of both Earth and Noxland, the latter could not be known and and and...)

Maybourne is such a cartoon villain...but the Tollan get to stay with the Nox for a bit and Carter's love interest gets to keep the cat. All reasonable people should like cats, so this is quite acceptable.

Good episode and many things will come from it, some good, some bad.

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Jeff Zero
07/11/12 12:04:00 PM
#53:


You're quite right about the Arab world. :)

Most of the follow-up to that race is good. And Maybourne gets better once he and Jack start the "Jack and Maybourne Comedy Hour" episodes later on. >_>

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SovietOmega
07/11/12 1:50:00 PM
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Most of the 'bad' things I see coming from that episode are good things dramawise, like the tension between that section of the government that wants alien tech at any cost vs SGC.

Episode 18: Solitudes

Carter and O'Neill sitting in a tree...

...and by tree I mean ice planet. Something about an attack and retreat and the gate overloading back on earth. Daniel and Teal'c made it back though.

Oh...OH...I know what this is. I forgot about this. This is gonna be big. Very big. The biggest. >:3

I definitely did not see this being a season 1 thing....aaaaanyway...

Jack has a broken leg. The team got split heading back to Earth from wherever they were. Two made it to SGC, two made it.....somewhere

What a crappy engineer...doesn't he know you're supposed to always give a little more time than you can actually spare? Star Trek taught me that :3 (it occurs to me they might be lampshading this, much like they will be lampshading their tendency to identify worlds by what is immediately around a stargate :p)

Meanwhile back in Iceland...Sam and Jack have a very lovely and human chat. Good stuff.

Sam: Is this your first broken bone?
Jack: Ah, ah... no... this, this would be... uh... nine, if you count skull fractures.
Sam: How'd you manage that, sir?
Jack: Little parachuting mishap over the borders of Iran and Iraq back in... '80...
Sam: This is going to hurt, sir.
Jack: Ah, I know, I know, I know, I know
Sam: So, what happened?
Jack: I hit the ground, go figure.

a little bit later after the DHD is found.

Sam: What's wrong with your chest?
Jack: I think I cracked a rib too.
Sam: Why didn't you say something?
Jack: I was afraid you'd try to put a splint on it.

ahh probability...

Sam: With all the possible Stargates, a random search could easily take...10 years.
Jack: Not if they look here first.
Sam: Even if all SG teams started searching right now, the mathematical probability of them even...
Jack: Captain!
Sam: I think too much.

Gotta love how many times the dialing computer says they are dialing Abydos...seems to happen almost every episode. Lol recycled footage.

So theoretically, stargates are like extradimensional electromagnets. ****ing stargates how do they work?

Back with Jack and friends: NAP TIEM!

Sam can't get this gate to work for some strange reason and Jack says to go topside and survive on this ice planet.

Sam doesn't listen and does what any good computer technician would do: Reset the device. Everything shakes. Shame she does not think to dial.....any other planet but Earth. They know a few friendly worlds by now...

This prompts Daniel to have an aha moment.

Daniel: (to Teal'c) What happens when you dial your own phone number? (Teal'c looks blank) Wrong person to ask. (to Hammond) What happens when you dial your own phone number?

Surprise! There is a second gate on earth in Antarctica. Yup.

Sam: Its an ice planet. All there is as far as the eye can see. There's no chance. *cue Sam looking defeated*

Sam and Jack get rescued and we learn a bit more about the gate network. Many other oddities to come though.

Great episode, both with characterization and plot and future implications. Certainly a highlight of season 1.

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Jeff Zero
07/11/12 1:56:00 PM
#55:


Might be my favorite of the season, yeah. Absolutely fantastic. Torment of Tantalus, There But For The Grace of God and the season finale are the only real contenders for me there.

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SovietOmega
07/11/12 4:07:00 PM
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Just a few more episodes to go this season....I've been flying through these. Whoops.

Episode 19: Tin Man

The planet sorta gave me some slight portal 2 vibes with the industrial look to the place. As the team looks around...zzzzap.

After the opening theme, they wake up dressed in new clothes and greeted by an old man. They would do well to listen to their elders. Or something. Harlan is his name. So many names to know on this show. Why can't they all be called Bob? It would make it so much easier for me to remember, and I wouldn't have to look spelling up. Tempting...

Suddenly the team are supercomputers.

Good thing Sam still had a transmitter....

Literally supercomputers. Hello RobO'Neill

You see, the others were in on it too. Everyone is a robot. And they thought I was crazy back when Sarah needed an explanation for Charlie! WELL WHO IS THE CRAZY ONE NOW HMMM?

*insert Battlestar Galactica joke about frakking walls here*

Nice way to ensure they return...make them require something on the planet to not be gasping for air and convulsing and other odd things for robots to be doing. Also makes any idea of keeping them for study to a minimum.

Teal'c practices doing the robot while everyone else helps out Harlan with saving the power source that keeps them going.

While Roboneill works on the vents, Roboteal'c attacks. All we need is Bill Nye to give their stats, put a few minutes on the clock, and we'll have ourselves a good ol' fashioned battlebots brawl...

Harlan saves the day by vaporizing Roboteal'c with a gun thing. We find out the real SG-1 bodies are somewhere and that these are not just robots, but clone robots. The dude could make an army of SG-1 people, but that would require far too many stunt doubles >_>;;

They have a little chat amongst themselves and it offers some lulz.

ROBOT JACK: I noticed that. What does that make me? What do you want?
O'NEILL: Well there all debating the meaning of life out there; both Daniels think this is all fascinating. The carters are arguing already. Teal'c feels left out. You and I have go a few things to talk about.

The pacing was a little weird and the climax and resolution was...also weird. By itself this episode feels more like filler than anything, but I know there is a call back somewhere down the line. And robots are always nice, but...considering last episode was a second stargate this one is...considerably less exciting.

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SovietOmega
07/11/12 6:42:00 PM
#57:


Three more episodes. 22 episodes to a season. Later on this will become 20. I remember a time when seasons of things were 26 episodes. Those were the days...

Episode 20: There But for the Grace of God

A world destroyed by the Goa'uld, a symbol Teal'c identifies and tells him that the world is unsafe. Mission over, everyone heads back. Man what a short epis...what are you doing Daniel? No Daniel...go back...leave the mirror alone Daniel...nothing good will come of this...hurry! Before it is....oh...nvm.

That guy never listens to me : (

And now he is stuck in an evil alternate universe (clearly evil, i mean...it is the other one. duh)

And he knows things.

Also the goa'uld are destroying earth. That tends to happen in alternate realities. Deliciously sweet bad ends.

The news was lulz. Anchormandude just happened to exposit what the audience and Daniel needed to hear. As if anyone on this Earth wouldn't know of the situation by now. "Welp, the aliens are still killing everything and have been for days now. It is the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. Up next is Bob with sports...."

And they blow up Chulak with the coordinates Daniel freely gave.

General O'Neill is kinda a humorless guy here...though considering over a billion peoples are dead on this Earth, it is understandable.

Daniel discovers where the him from this reality is located: Egypt

DANIEL: Uh oh.
[Carter looks up and sees him.]
CARTER: What?
DANIEL: (motioning to the map) I think I'm dead.
CARTER: What?
DANIEL: The me in this reality.

Poor guy, just can't catch a break...that is like the 5th time a Daniel has died.

We learn that the max time a wormhole can be established is around a half hour or so.

And a potential goa'uld homeworld is located. The plot thickens. And here the slow dialing speed is kicking SGA in the butt. If only they knew about the Antarctica gate. Gonna be hard to get to it when there is a mothership above the base though.

Gotta say, if I were in this situation and some dude popped in and got information that could save his world, I proooobably wouldn't use the last chance I had to save some people from my world. They have no guarantee the attack is coming to that Earth, just that...it might? Sorry Daniel, the stirring music is a bit silly and flies in the face of rationality when an infinite number of earths have been invaded and an infinite number survived. And here I am spiraling off into nihilism. If every choice is already played out, what is the point in choosing?

Anyway...they help him.

But since they did the bomb thing, Teal'c stays a bad guy and blasts Jack with some kind of super cannon version of the staff weapon. Whoops.

But he manages to make it through, despite 5 seconds really not being enough time to be faster than the goa'uld, and also despite a solid hit by evil Teal'c.

Bit of a gloom and doom ending too. Perhaps the next two episodes will directly follow up on this. (they will).

Alternate realities tend to be a lot of fun and free up a lot of constraints a show can have about how things should be done while still maintaining a semblance of being true to the characters. Shift events around and the actions O'Neill took to blow up the Jaffa homeworld makes perfect sense. Without the guise of alternate reality, that would have been a decent blow to the enemy, if only a minor one.

On an unrelated note, I can never look at the word Jaffa the same way after discovering Jaffa cakes.

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=155859&stc=1&d=1317940013

(Jaffa cakes are also delicious <3<3<3)

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Jeff Zero
07/11/12 6:44:00 PM
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I'm drop dead exhausted so I'll post some more thoughts tomorrow. But yeah, that one's good. It was also the only one written by Farscape's David Kemper. <3

Anyway, Showtime started with 22 even in '97 because the budget was pretty high up there for them at that time. And because they're premium cable. Nowadays premium cable shows get 13 or so. >_>

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Jeff Zero
07/11/12 6:44:00 PM
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Also, the shift to 20 was brought by SGA airing alongside, but I guess once SG-1 ended, Sci-Fi rather liked only having to foot the bill for 20, because unsurprisingly SGA's episode count never went up!

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SovietOmega
07/11/12 7:45:00 PM
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A few other things make little sense from there, like Daniel suddenly having the mirror control thing right after Sam got done blowing it and the Jaffa up. Why the hell did they not just escape to another world, ANY world with this one shot, which would allow Daniel to dial the mirror world from there. And where were the rest of the people on that beta site list? These oddities aside, it was still a very nice episode.

Episode 21: Politics

Daniel: Now I know this is hard for you guys to believe but I swear to you, the entire time you thought I had disappeared on P3R233, I was experiencing an alternate reality
Jack: And you were there, and you were there, and there's no place like home
Daniel: As a matter of fact you were there!
Sam: Daniel it's not that we don't believe you
Daniel: So you do?
Jack: No it's just that... we don't believe you.

Meanwhile, this plot gets interrupted so that Senator Kinsey can unleash the most horrible weapon imaginable on the SGC: The Flashback episode.

Hammond: It costs nearly a billion dollars just to turn the lights on around here.
Jack: How about a bake sale? Yard sale? Garage...?
Hammond: This is what I look like when I'm not laughing, Colonel.
Jack: Car wash?

Kinsey berates them for putting the world at stake with only minor success at bringing back useful things.

DANIEL: Oh, you're right. We'll—We'll-we'll just upload a computer virus into the mothership.

<3 genre savvy people.

</3 mass clips. Especially ones that keep on going and going and going.

And at the end of it, the senator decides he wants the gate program shut down, and Daniel tries out his alternate reality plea, which really does kinda come off as a bit crazy, though equally crazy is not at least being open to it considering all the other crazy things the stargate has enabled.

Aaaand the 'One nation under God" card is played. Welp.

To Be Continued

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Jeff Zero
07/11/12 7:46:00 PM
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Oh god my girlfriend had so much fun hating Kinsey. He's literally everything she hates piled into a suit. Which she also hates. Suits, I mean.

The clips really do drag. I like the framing story a lot though, it ends on a high note and introduces that smarmy bastard. The sixth season's clip show is better though, the one with Thor telling Kinsey off.

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Achromatic
07/11/12 7:48:00 PM
#62:


6th season's clip show is a top 10 episode for me just for Thor <_< >_>

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Jeff Zero
07/11/12 7:49:00 PM
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ya go my good SG-1 opinions

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SovietOmega
07/11/12 9:11:00 PM
#64:


I will say though, that having people be proven wrong about a core concept of a show is almost always entertaining to watch. There is probably a trope for people who act like Kinsey...

More importantly though, season finale tiem!

Episode 22: Within the Serpent's Grasp

For some reason SG-1 decided that black was more their style this episode. Perhaps a visual cue that they are going rogue. How edgy.

First appearance of the Zat gun. This thing gets a bit overused down the line iirc. They needed something that could stun and not kill that wasn't guns I bet. Like how heroes in fantasy rarely get to use their sword to cut bad guys unless they are in a more mature setting.

Daniel: (staring at a huge floating sphere) Teal'c, What is this?
Teal'c: It is a Goa'uld long range visual communication device. Somewhat like your television, only much further advanced.
Jack: Ya think it gets Showtime?

It had to happen sometime eh?

Good thing this goa'uld ship has such convenient hiding places along the hallways. Architecture. Their one weakness. Also bullets.

An the infamous three shot rule. One shot stuns, two kills, and three disintegrates. That last one I hear gets dropped later on, something about being stupid.

No transparent material can withstand that speed Teal'c? Obviously Teal'c has never heard of transparent aluminum!

So they calculate the ship will take a year to get to earth moving at 10x the speed of light. Also Apophis has a son who is essentially second in command. It is Skarra. Welp.

C4 and a direct assault on Skarra. Classic SG-1.

Getting caught...classic SG-1

Apparently the ship is either faster than thought, or closer than thought because...they are passing by what looks like Saturn. I like how Saturn is always the posterchild of the solar system. Like, maybe Jupiter sometimes, but never the others. Mercury and Venus are past Earth so makes no sense to see them, Mars is too close to Earth, and Uranus and Neptune are a bit too far out and not nearly as recognizable by people. This is partially justified by Saturn truly being a pretty damn awesome sight to behold (and while all the other gas giants have rings, they pale in comparison to Saturn's)

Seriously? Now PISTOLS can take out a snakehead'd Jaffa? The only explanation is that Daniel Jackson has gained more levels than those gate guards who were sitting around playing poker. His guns are probably much higher tier and possibly rare drops. This makes a ton of sense to my gamer mind.

Two ships about to attack earth. End of the season and....To Be Continued. Argh cliffhangers I hate them. Now I gotta wait...a few seconds before I can continue.

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Jeff Zero
07/11/12 9:12:00 PM
#65:


I legitimately love cliffhangers. They get me so hyped. What sucks is when things end on them, obviously, but otherwise they're great for building suspense in me. <3

I will have more to say about the previous few episodes now, at this rate. Still tired. I really need to hit the sack now... stupid coffee is keeping me zombie-tastic. Knew I should have had tea.

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SovietOmega
07/11/12 9:18:00 PM
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<3 tea in almost all its forms (tried pu'erh and I am sure there is a kind I would like, but the kind I had had a fishy taste. I like fish, but tea should not taste like fish). Cliffhangers are a good thing, I agree. They do their job too well sometimes. I wasn't planning to watch another episode tonight, but now I gotta see this thing resolved...

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SovietOmega
07/11/12 10:36:00 PM
#67:


I was being more tongue in cheek anyway like "grrr...cliffhanger, so many seconds I have to wait!" because...whole series is done so there is no actual waiting time and hence no true anger. Though, I really was planning to call it a night. Not that I couldn't wait until tomorrow....I just dun wanna. Got the episode all ready to go and everything. Huzzah instant gratification!

S2 Episode 1: The Serpent's Lair

Previously...on SG-1

Sam: Teal'c, I'm pregnant and...Schrodinger is the father.
Schrodinger: Meow

Jack: Alright Apophis, you got me. But maybe you didn't count on THIS
*Jack pulls out a bomb made out of peanut butter, a transmitter, duct tape, and a bomb*

Thor: I just asked her if she wanted to see my hammer, your honor. It is very big and powerful.

Walter: Chevron seven, locked.

The story continues...

Jack: This is turning out to be a bad day.

Spoken right before getting taken out by a shock grenade. I remember a funny moment a bajillion episodes from now involving them, Bra'tac and O'Neill, or maybe it was Mitchell.

Good to see SGC being the nerve center of this whole shebang. Though lulz at the higher ups not mobilizing everything under the pretense of not wanting to alert the goa'uld.

Oooh...a prototype weapon. This will certainly work. Yup.

Is that Bra'tac in that suit? Sounds a little like him...

Escape should be easy enough too once they blow things up good...as there is a stargate on the thing. Can just dial anywhere, even Earth perhaps.

It is Bra'tac, I expect nothing less than awesomeness.

I like how the guards outside the room should clearly have been able to hear Bra'tac boast his intentions to defy Apophis.

Ahaha...Bra'tac's plan was to buy time with Skaara's revival so the ships of Earth could attack...yeeeeah....yeah.

Bra'tac: Perhaps if the warships of your world attack we will be able...
Sam: (interrupting) Eh, excuse me... did you say 'the ships of our world'?
Bra'tac: Surely you have such vessels?
Daniel: Well, we have a number of...of...
Daniel and Jack: Shuttles.
Bra'tac: These... 'shuttles'... they are a formidable craft?
Jack: Oh yeah... yeah... bad day...

Back on Earth, Alpha site gets set into motion.

Ah, the guards are working with Bra'tec...thank you writers.

Missiles get fired aaaaaaannd...shields.

Meanwhile, on the ship, Two guards shoot a bajillion zat bursts almost continuously with no luck...wow.

Damnit Daniel, you are supposed to dodge those blasts...that kid might as well live in a sarcophagus. (probably will gate out afterwards too)

Ah, here is the moment I was thinking of with the grenades...that...came much sooner than I expected.

O'NEILL: I think what the Captain is asking is, "What now?"
BRA'TAC: Now we die.
O'NEILL: Well, that's a bad plan. Where are the glider bays from here?

SG-1 blow up the ships, Daniel escapes through the gate with a second to spare, and the others are in Death Gliders. Fun times.

Saved by Daniel and everyone meets up in the embarkation room. Presumably because of this action, SGC will remain in operation.

Many part episodes allowing lots of buildup...rarely disappoint and this is no exception. Lovely series of episodes and THIS is the kind of thing stargate does best. And it gets better...

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Mauron
07/11/12 10:49:00 PM
#68:


The Serpent's Lair had "We will cross that bridge when we come to it", correct?

I remember Bra'tec saying that occasionally.

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SovietOmega
07/12/12 12:40:00 PM
#69:


Yeah, it had that line again. A callback to when it was mentioned in Bloodlines.

S2 Episode 2: In the Line of Duty

No closure with the SGC being shut down plot...not that it is hard to infer things went well for them after they sorta saved the world, but I suppose it was either that or action opening and the latter probably made for better tv or something...

And now it is Carter's turn to be a goa'uld host?

Things seem noticeably off, both in her mannerisms that the SGC start to notice, and in how she is acting compared to what the audience would expect a goa'uld to act. This is not a normal goa'uld.

And somehow Cassandra can sense goa'uld.

Sam gets captured and the team work on helping separate her from the symbiote.

Apparently there is also some kind of shapeshifter on the loose.

Hello Tok'ra. These are good guy goa'ulds. They are a slippery bunch, but we will see more of these people in future episodes.

The shapeshifting thing is apparently a goa'uld hired assassin out to kill Jolinar, the Tok'ra in Sam. Said Tok'ra might know where Sha're is. By the end of this series my apostrophe key will be worn out.

The assassin is pretty slick, able in infiltrate and kill Carter...but since SG-1 are all spliced with cats they have more lives than you can shake a staff weapon at.

Luckily the Tok'ra gave its life for Same to live etc etc and the baddie was zat'd to death.

Pretty much a by the numbers episode that also happens to introduce some threads for future exploration. a fairly average episode, especially after coming off of the season finale and season opening.

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Mauron
07/12/12 1:53:00 PM
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I suspect Cassandra can sense Goa'uld because she has an explosive device in her bloodstream. That seems to be the standard explanation.

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SovietOmega
07/12/12 10:17:00 PM
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Episode 3: Prisoners

Long and short of it, SG-1 gets thrown on a prison planet with relatively nice prisoners and also cold fusion plants.

It is an episode that pretty much plays various tropes straight and little new knowledge is gained.

Although, iirc this is plague lady they meet here in the jail and she is super bad news unless I am thinking of a different show.

And Daniel almost dies. Lulz.

Very silly how they deny what they saw with their own eyes. The guy just straight up strangled Daniel and we are supposed to believe that they believe Daniel somehow did something other than clearly pass out?

The dude that gained sight by the bad lady's remedy also escapes through the gate with SG-1 and the old lady. We will surely never see him again.

Amazing how she instantly becomes a computer expert...

Destroyer of Worlds...Lenora. Doesn't really have a evil ring to it. Not as bad as something like Fluffy, but still a little soft...

Meh episode though, like a lot of SG-1 episodes, containing some implications down the line.

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Jeff Zero
07/13/12 4:23:00 AM
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I really like that one! I'm big on atmospheric episodes. Dank prison sequences where likable heroes have to overcome cruel pseudo-fates always do it for me.

Fourth season's memory-loss ep is a much better example of it though.

As below-average as the first season is compared with later seasons, it definitely has a superior season finale/premiere sequence than the second season/opening to the third does. Not that Out of Mind and Into the Fire are bad, although Out of Mind having clipshow elements is pretty saddening for a season finale. But that two-parter up there is just great, great stuff for early SG-1, and holds up well today.

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