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Emporer_Kazbar
07/04/12 9:27:00 PM
#1:


That last case...oh man!

Like, objectively I'm pretty sure I like the first game the best. But right now, having just completed that last one, I'm finding it really hard to say that. It rounded out the trilogy very well.

Time for case rankings from all three games! (For those who remember my thread months ago when I beat the second one, some of the rankings amongst the first two games have also changed, having thought them over again)

1. Bridge to the Turnabout (3-5)
2. Turnabout Goodbyes (1-4)
3. Farewell, My Turnabout (2-4)
4. Rise From the Ashes (1-5)
5. The Stolen Turnabout (3-2)
6. Recipe for Turnabout (3-3)
7. Reunion and Turnabout (2-2)
8. Turnabout Sisters (1-2)
9. Turnabout Samurai (1-3)
10. Turnabout Memories (3-1)
11. The First Turnabout (1-1)
12. Turnabout Beginnings (3-4)
13. The Lost Turnabout (2-1)
14. Turnabout Big Top (2-3)

And because I did it before, I'll add a redone Top 10 (and Bottom 1) character list:

1. Miles Edgeworth
2. Phoenix Wright
3. Dick Gumshoe
4. Godot
5. Luke Atmey
6. Udgie
7. Maya Fey
8. Manfred Von Karma
9. Damon Gant
10. Winston Payne

Least Favorite: Lotta Hart (But Ron DeLite sure did try)

Ugh, after all I've heard about it, I really don't want to start Apollo Justice. Still, I suppose I must. I expect lambasting of my opinions here in the meantime, so have at it.

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LeonhartFour
07/04/12 9:29:00 PM
#2:


Your opinions aren't bad. I mean, I don't agree with them (especially Winston Payne in the top 10 what the heck), but they're mostly justifiable.

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Emporer_Kazbar
07/04/12 9:32:00 PM
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From: LeonhartFour | #002
Your opinions aren't bad. I mean, I don't agree with them (especially Winston Payne in the top 10 what the heck), but they're mostly justifiable.


The hair bouncing and the hair falling away in defeat were so hilarious, IMO. That's what put him there. Hell, sometimes when I'm thinking I do that hand motion (where he taps his forehead with his fingers).

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LeonhartFour
07/04/12 9:32:00 PM
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I dunno. I like Winston Payne, but Ace Attorney has way too many good characters for me to consider putting him in the top 10.

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Emporer_Kazbar
07/04/12 9:33:00 PM
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Also, while I'm thinking about it, my favorite song in the series thus far:



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LeonhartFour
07/04/12 9:34:00 PM
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Good song. 2-4 the best

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SSBM_Guy
07/04/12 9:34:00 PM
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Wow, 3-4's really low. 3-4 is at least a top half case! Aside from that, pretty good case ranking. And for the record, I actually PW1's the worst of the trilogy, but they are A++++.

I love Winston Payne but he's not Top 10 worthy. Top 30 worthy, though, yes.

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SSBM_Guy
07/04/12 9:35:00 PM
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Yessssssss, Search ~In the Midst~ 2002 is so underrated. Love that song so much. Not my favorite though. Gotta be stereotypical and have PW1 Cornered as my favorite.

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Natwaf_akidna
07/04/12 9:36:00 PM
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Justifiable opinions. At least the finale cases are on top!

Though I for one can't stand Turnabout Samurai.

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LeonhartFour
07/04/12 9:36:00 PM
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Yeah, Cornered is hard to top. When it played at the end of 3-5, I marked out so hard. I love T&T's version of Announce the Truth, too.

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MrSmartGuy
07/04/12 9:37:00 PM
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There are quite a few minor differences between your ranking and mine (2-4, 1-3, 3-4 too low, 1-4, 3-3, 2-2 too high), but all the important stuff is pretty much where it should be. Good to see another appreciating just how good 3-2 is for total filler, I must say.

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ZeroSignal620
07/04/12 9:40:00 PM
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From: Emporer_Kazbar | #001
12. Turnabout Beginnings (3-4)


Glad someone here agrees with me.

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DeepsPraw
07/04/12 9:41:00 PM
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If you know what happens with Phoenix in AJ you might as well play it. Then you can be horribly disappointed like the rest of us.

Unlike some people, I don't think AJ is a terrible game. Flawed as it is, it's still better than the slag heap that is Ace Attorney Investigations.

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LeonhartFour
07/04/12 9:43:00 PM
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Apollo Justice isn't a bad game. It just doesn't match up with the standard of the Phoenix Wright games.

That's not to say it doesn't handle some things really poorly, because it does.

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DeepsPraw
07/04/12 9:47:00 PM
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From: MrSmartGuy | #011
2-4 too low


What? I think #3 is awfully generous. Maybe I should replay that case, but all I can remember was being disappointed as all hell with the ending.

And as far as filler goes, 3-2 is miles ahead of the entire second game (which was entirely filler).

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LeonhartFour
07/04/12 9:47:00 PM
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From: MrSmartGuy | #015
See, now this is an opinion I will never understand. Personally, I think: 3 > AAI > 1 > 2 > AJ

Speaking of opinions I will never understand.

AAI doesn't fix the shortcoming of exciting stuff happening though because it's not the same without a courtroom setting and a rival. I mean, it's still a good game, but I wouldn't rank it over any PW game.

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MrSmartGuy
07/04/12 9:47:00 PM
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From: DeepsPraw | #013
Unlike some people, I don't think AJ is a terrible game. Flawed as it is, it's still better than the slag heap that is Ace Attorney Investigations.

See, now this is an opinion I will never understand. Personally, I think: 3 > AAI > 1 > 2 > AJ

As important as PW1 was to laying the ground-work for an amazing series, each individual case is fairly straightforward, the pacing is a little off, and nothing too terribly exciting happens nearly as often as the other games. AAI fixes all three of those shortcomings, imo (except E-3, I suppose, that one's pretty straightforward and not very exciting either, but I still enjoy it, for what it's worth)

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DeepsPraw
07/04/12 9:49:00 PM
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From: MrSmartGuy | #015
AAI fixes all three of those shortcomings, imo.


You think the pacing in AAI is good? Have you played the last case?

The problem with AAI is that the characters are completely uninteresting and there is no emotional investment in the story.

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MrSmartGuy
07/04/12 9:50:00 PM
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While there was nothing wrong with the courtroom setting, hardly any of the investigation phases were fun at all, and I appreciate them trying to blur the line between the two. So while the highs of AAI aren't as high as even PW2's, its lows were nowhere near 2-3 levels, and I'd go so far to say 3-3 levels.

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Haguile
07/04/12 9:50:00 PM
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I couldn't like 3-5 as much as most people because what I always hated the most about the PW series is the spirit channeling thing, and that case was basically that on steroids.
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LeonhartFour
07/04/12 9:51:00 PM
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AAI is a more consistent game in terms of that, I agree.

But when your highs don't go as high as what the PW games offer, I can't rank AAI above any of them.

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Rad Link 5
07/04/12 9:51:00 PM
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I like your opinions.

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LeonhartFour
07/04/12 9:52:00 PM
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Spirit channeling never bothered me. I mean, I didn't like it as a concept, but I never felt it was some sort of deal breaker.

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MrSmartGuy
07/04/12 9:53:00 PM
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Fair enough. I mean, if I rank all the cases, I think AAI's top case would only be, like, 7th overall, but its lowest case would probably be less than 10 spots below that.

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TheOceIot
07/04/12 9:56:00 PM
#25:


Case rankings are solid.

This topic makes me wish I could play the series for the first time again.

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DeepsPraw
07/04/12 9:58:00 PM
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So it's your second favorite game, but the best you can defend it is by saying it's "consistent"?

In my book, a deeply flawed game with moments of greatness will always be better than one that is mediocre in all areas.

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Rad Link 5
07/04/12 10:00:00 PM
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AAI is consistently very good. Which is different from being consistently average or consistently very bad.

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DeepsPraw
07/04/12 10:01:00 PM
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From: Rad Link 5 | #027
AAI is consistently very good.


lol whatever you say

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Rad Link 5
07/04/12 10:02:00 PM
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HOW DARE YOU LAUGH AT MY OPINION AND IMPLY A GAME I LIKE IS NOT GOOD etc.

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LeonhartFour
07/04/12 10:02:00 PM
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darn it rad link stop that

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Haguile
07/04/12 10:06:00 PM
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It's not that I hate spirit channeling. I still play the game despite it. But...well, it really did detract from my enjoyment of a few cases.

I'd agree with AAI being consistently very good. I loved the game. One thing it suffered is that it's hard to get the tension going when your main character is Edgeworth. He never quite goes "JESUS CHRIST WHAT IS THE ANSWER" so it's hard to feel like the tension is really high. He seems more annoyed that he hasn't figured things out yet than anything else. I liked that tone though. It was pretty fun.

AJ...I liked a few points of it, but 4-1 was its best case and everything after that was a let down. I thought that 4-1 was setting the pace for the game's quality but that...really wasn't the case.
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Rad Link 5
07/04/12 10:08:00 PM
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i do wat i want

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th3l3fty
07/04/12 10:24:00 PM
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aww yeah LUKE ATMEY appreciation

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Xuxon
07/04/12 10:25:00 PM
#34:


i think this entire ranking is literally within 2 spots of my own
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LeonhartFour
07/07/12 3:44:00 AM
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Bump for no reason.

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Pram_the_Oracle
07/07/12 4:46:00 AM
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Go watch Toy Story 3 instead you bum

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kurtfisto
07/07/12 4:46:00 AM
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From: Emporer_Kazbar | #005
Also, while I'm thinking about it, my favorite song in the series thus far:



yessss my favorite song in the series as well :)

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Meow1000
07/07/12 5:01:00 AM
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2-4 and 3-3 way too high

Not bad otherwise

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Meow1000
07/07/12 5:02:00 AM
#39:


From: MrSmartGuy | #011
There are quite a few minor differences between your ranking and mine (2-4, 1-3, 3-4 too low, 1-4, 3-3, 2-2 too high), but all the important stuff is pretty much where it should be. Good to see another appreciating just how good 3-2 is for total filler, I must say.



3-2 is solid.

Out of all the pure "filler" cases, its easily the best.

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