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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=635992

Really, Scott Howson?

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How about Pavelec's new contract?

XFD Jets

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wow.

garth snow isn't a great gm, but I admire how willing he is to offer everything in order to get what he wants.


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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/ondrej-pavelec-landed-5-19-5-million-deal-213332458--nhl.html

"Let's say Carey Price is at 7 years and $6 million a year. Devan Dubnyk's going to hit $3 million. Tuukka Rask is going to hit $3 million. Cory Schneider is going to hit $3 million. There's a new wave of goalies taking over No. 1 starting jobs in the NHL from the older guard. Between those goalies, statistically and in experience at a No. 1 goalie, Pavs should be slotted under Price," said [Pavelec's agent] Walsh.

$3M backups.

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Devan Dubnyk's going to hit $3 million.

lolwut

Is Mike Milbury a GM again or something?

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Those goalies all have better stats than Pav. The only thing Pav has over them is that he's already a starter. I don't think the deal is that bad, though. The Jets overpaid by $1.5-2M, but they're not going to hit the ceiling any time soon, so it's not going to cripple them.


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Yeah, the Jets will be fine. If the alternative is a Mason / Gustavsson duo, I'll take Pav at 3.9.

http://www.thestar.com/blogs/article/1216435--cox-maple-leafs-could-pry-roberto-luongo-loose-with-offer-for-cory-schneider?bn=1

This is a funny idea. Burke would never pull something like this, though.

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Devan Dubnyk's going to hit $3 million.



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I hope some teams do try to woo Schneider with an offer sheet, though. Vancouver will obviously match it, and it wouldn't be anywhere close to the ~$4.7M required to go one step above just being a 1st- and 3rd-rounder as compensation.

Then there's the chance they do somehow get stuck with Luongo and you might actually get a solid young goalie for pretty cheap.

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Why did the Devils not forego the pick this year?

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From: Not Dave | #007

Burke would never pull something like this, though.

If he did offer that deal, and the Canucks didn't match, Burke would surrender four first round picks for Schneider. Burke isn't that crazy,


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Wait, is Price seriously getting 6 million a year? That seems outrageous. Doesn't that make him like, Top 3 highest paid in the league? Quick is getting LESS THAN TWO with two years left on his deal!

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I haven't found a non-wiki compensation table, but this has significantly different amounts than seven years ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offer_sheet#Compensation

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The averaged salary taken for compensation is the first five years of the contract, not the entire term. $40M over 8 years would trigger a 4 first round pick compensation.


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iiicon posted...

The averaged salary taken for compensation is the first five years of the contract, not the entire term. $40M over 8 years would trigger a 4 first round pick compensation.

oh, right yeah. his example was poor.

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I would have thought Price would be between 5 and 5.5.

That'd have him with a lower (or equal) cap hit than Rinne, Lundqvist, Luongo, Bryz, Ward, Miller, Backstrom, Fleury and Kipper.

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So he's clearly top 3 highest paid in the league.

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Price is an RFA, isn't he? Or did he just sign a deal?


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I guess the current theory is that they're gonna try to sign him long-term despite the RFA status.

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Price makes 2.75 million a season

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The Pavelic deal is fine, could even be a good deal for the Jets in a few years. Price at $6 million is fine as well - he IS one of the best goalies in the league.

Quick is getting LESS THAN TWO with two years left on his deal!

Quick was an RFA when he signed that deal and wasn't what is he is now. He'll be getting $5-7 mil per after next year.

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From: Not Dave | #019

I guess the current theory is that they're gonna try to sign him long-term despite the RFA status.

Right. They'll buy a few years of UFA by overpaying a bit. Pretty standard move.

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Guysssss, think the Stamkos deal is great for the Lightning?

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he IS one of the best goalies in the league.

He's like, one of the ten best, not like, one of the three best.

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Nah, he's at least top 5 and still really young. He'll be an elite goalie for the next ten years or so.

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Let's play a little game called "Goalies I would rather have than Carey Price"

Quick
Thomas
Lundqvist
Bryzgalov
Miller
Luongo
Miller
Halak
Ward

That's just off the top of my head...

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Bryz? Halak? Luongo? Miller? XFD You can't be serious Muffin.

As of right I'd put Lundqvist, Rinne, Quick, and Thomas over him. But again, Price is still really young.

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Would you rather have Thomas now?

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Man, a lot of teams still need to add a couple d-men.

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Yeah like the Ducks. We have a lot of holes to fill and a ton of cap room (although we do have an internal budget of around $55-57 mil). Murray must plan on spending a ton in free agency even though it's a relatively weak UFA class (and let's be realistic Parise and Suter have zero interest in coming to Anaheim).

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Jimmy Howard is so ignored amongst goalies.

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Rome is about to hit the open market!!

(He'd actually be really good in the east. He's a bit of an underrated player and I'm kinda disappointed he won't be back next year. He probably wanted a bigger contract than Gillis would give him, though.)


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UFA d-men, in order of 11-12 cap hit (highest to lowest):

Rozsival
Wideman
Kubina
Spacek
Kuba
Sarich
Finger (hah)
Suter
Carle
Salvador
B Allen
Eaton
Corvo
Gill
Martinek
Colaiacovo
S Morrisonn
Aucoin
Salo
Zanon
Foster
Campoli
Souray
Jurcina
Staios
B Clark
Bouillon
R Jones
O'Brien
Lundin
Vandemeer
C White
Huskins
Hannan
Commodore (signing him should be a firing on the spot)
Gilroy
O'Donnell
Eminger
Mottau
Brookbank
Rome
Lepisto
Meech
Carkner
Lebda
Garrison
Sloan
Woywitka
Stoner

and then a few (more) inconsequential no-names

some of those guys are gonna get paid way more than they're worth due to this shortage, aren't they

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Ideally (not including the Suter pipe-dream), I'd like to sign someone like Carle, then roll with Karlsson/Gonchar/Cowen/Phillips/Carle/Wiercioch and re-sign Carkner as a 7th man.

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From: voltch | #028

Would you rather have Thomas now?

If I can convince him to play, absolutely.

I forgot about Rinne. You could also probably persuade me for Howard, Hiller, and maybe Fleury.

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my AMP was down to 6 because the old topic purged. come on July 1.

voltch posted...

Jimmy Howard is so ignored amongst goalies.

completely agree.

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From: TheOceIot | #027

Bryz? Halak? Luongo? Miller? XFD You can't be serious Muffin.

As of right I'd put Lundqvist, Rinne, Quick, and Thomas over him. But again, Price is still really young.

What has Price actually done, other than get totally outplayed by his backup and get his ego shattered so hard the team had to get rid of the guy in order to placate him?

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c'mon suter, garrison and schultz to vancouver

i'd realistically be excited for one of them and maybe zanon. wideman could be good as a 7 with sheltered minutes, too.


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From: SmartMuffin | #035

From: voltch | #028

Would you rather have Thomas now?

If I can convince him to play, absolutely.

I forgot about Rinne. You could also probably persuade me for Howard, Hiller, and maybe Fleury.

Well I'm going under the assumption that he's taking the year off and would you want Tim Thomas next year? Because otherwise you're pretty much saying you'd be ok playing with an empty net!

I think even he'd get pretty old for this.

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I'd take Quick, Lundqvist, Rinne, Howard, Fleury, Miller or Ward over Price, I think.

Add Smith if this turns out to have not been a fluke year caused by playing in an awesome system.

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Add Smith to the "you could convince me" list.

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Back to offer sheets, this would be a fun one:

https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/217293400658018304

I'm always in favour of putting the Avs at a disadvantage.


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What do you do with Elliot?

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also, wouldn't mind signing Evander Kane to an offer sheet, but Winnipeg would clearly match it.

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c'mon suter, garrison and schultz to vancouver

F*** that guy.

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Any of you guys familiar with the Pouliot kid we drafted? Everything I see says he's a great offensive defenseman capable of running the powerplay and leading the breakout, but needs to work on his defense. Doesn't really tell me much, like how far away he is from starting at the back for us.

Speaking of that, I know almost nothing about Brenden Sutter, but his numbers look pretty solid from last year. I'm still a little upset at Staal being gone but almost everyone I've seen has said we abused Carolina in the deal, so I'm good with it. I hope Staal gets to play top line Center down there because I bet his production will increase even though he's not surrounded by Sid/Geno just coz he's going to be THE GUY. He's got the quality to do it, anyway.

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Sutter is pretty much the ideal 3rd-line center. He's fast, is good defensively, and is very solid on the PK. And he costs how much a guy playing that role should be making.

As for Pouliot, don't expect him to play for at least a couple years.

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Yeah, defenceman typically take a while to develop. You won't hear much about Pouliot for another few years at least.

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The Pens also cleared up cap space as a result of the trade and I am told are now the front runners for Parise and maybe Suter too.

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Yeah, I can't believe they got so little in return for Michalek, who is one of their best defenders. Too bad they have Martin's awful contract.

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