Icehawk posted... i've heard a few professors tell me that going to school for business is one of the silliest things a person can do, because such a vast amount of the things that entail business administration are a combination of practicality and common sense, things that you are more than capable of learning as you go. the only redemptive thing is planning, but the value of that shouldn't be overstated - a good plan does not mean a good business.
thats just an odd statement. Whether you learn anything or not, most businesses aren't going to hire you because you have that history major you learned so much from. But eitherway, most business adm majors make you take a pretty wide array of classes, to the point where I feel most will learn a decent amount.
According to the people at my schools career center, most busineses DONT want business majors necesrily becausee many of them lack critical thinking and writing/research skillsets.
I'm not saying it's right that people goof off on their laptop during class. And yes, for discussion classes laptops should definitely not be needed, because honestly at least in my experience there was hardly anything worth taking notes on in discussion. No one wanted to be there and no one wanted to participate, so the only worth while things came from the GSI anyway. But. In lectures or regular classes profs need to get over the whole laptop thing. I'm sorry, but they're a way of life now. Why would I stress myself out to scribble down some incomprehensible gibberish when I can get down fully formed thoughts by typing them. And again, I'm paying for the class. I suppose it's a little different for GSIs and TAs, but at a big university like Michigan or USC the professor could give a crap less if you pass or not. It really doesn't effect them one way or the other. In fact in some classes there are only a certain number of each grade they can give out anyway.
So yeah. Basically I get why TAs and GSIs have an issue with goofing off on laptops. But for profs there is no reason to care.
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According to the people at my schools career center, most busineses DONT want business majors necesrily becausee many of them lack critical thinking and writing/research skillsets.
coincidentally, I've never heard anything like that!!! When I took a few business classes at the local community college, there were a whole lot of idiots sure who couldn't write and were lackluster at research, but everyone I've been in a group with at Oakland and MSU for business were perfectly capable of anything, as most non-affirmative action enabled students are. If a whole business is dismissing these people without simple evaluations, I doubt it's a very well run business.
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I just find it funny how your viewpoint is PEOPLE NEED TO DO WELL, yet they only are allowed to do well your way. I thought teachers were supposed to understand how certain people learn better in different ways?
I'm pessimistic enough about formal education to say that this is not the way I see most teachers teach. When it comes to teaching, I think most teachers do see it as their way, or no way.
According to the people at my schools career center, most busineses DONT want business majors necesrily becausee many of them lack critical thinking and writing/research skillsets.
I've never heard of this. Although, I will say that some schools require a business writing class. I had to take one, and I wasn't even a business major at the time!
In fact in some classes there are only a certain number of each grade they can give out anyway.
And I will say that this is true at USC. My teacher said that the average grade the class will get is a B, and he will curve students to that as needed. It's a USC/big university thing, and I don't think he has a choice.
Yeah, it is hard to "teach" business. If everyone used the same method to their business (ie. what is being taught in schools) then nobody would be successful. It takes a business mind to succeed in a business, not someone who is like "I learned this in business school!"
Yeah, it is hard to "teach" business. If everyone used the same method to their business (ie. what is being taught in schools) then nobody would be successful. It takes a business mind to succeed in a business, not someone who is like "I learned this in business school!"
This, but replace "business" with just about any other major.
From: Aecioo | #037 Theon_Greyjoy posted... In my classes it was usually the nerds who brought laptops to class.
Maybe it's changed in the last few years.
Almost everyone has a laptop now tbqh
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It amazed me how many people have laptops in college. Maybe that's because you weren't allowed to use them in high school though. But I'd say a rough 30% in all of my classes have laptops, maybe more.
Yeah, it is hard to "teach" business. If everyone used the same method to their business (ie. what is being taught in schools) then nobody would be successful. It takes a business mind to succeed in a business, not someone who is like "I learned this in business school!"
what the hell. no seriously, what the hell. where the hell did you pull this statement from? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
if you are starting a business, I'd have a hell of a time doing it on my own if I didn't take classes. You could have a brilliant idea, but that doesn't necessarily gain you immediate funding. Being about to form a business plan and analyze the plausibility of any idea you have are key assets, and it's quite helpful to learn about them in a class.
If you are gaining a job in business, there are plenty of common practices (like SWOT analyses, for example) to the point where having some idea going in definitely helps. Obviously there is going to be plenty of stuff you learn on the job, but unless you are an accountant or something of that nature, thats how most places are going to be.
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What Icehawk said is also true. The way I interpreted DSRage's comment is that business requires a business mind in addition to knowledge about it. That's what lots of business majors have told me before, and they have MBAs and stuff.
Icehawk posted... your "authority", it's a college class, not high school or middle school. Are you kidding me? I've never seen any college teacher, TA or otherwise, have any real problem with authority.
Good for you? It's an experience that every teacher has to deal with at least once. Unfortunately, teaching isn't just about the material. It's about classroom management.
And to say everyone is going to fail because a few people are screwing around on laptops is silly. The people who care will do well, the people who don't probably won't.
I never said "everyone is going to fail." It is more likely that people who don't pay attention in class and browse the internet will do poorly. If there is a gifted student who can afford to skip lectures and look at the internet during the lecture, that may be fine for him, but it sets an example that the teacher will let poor students get away with it -- poor students who aren't going to do well unless they pay attention. So all students have to abide by the same rules.
Although generally, in a small classroom, I almost never see anyone screwing around unless the teacher/class is incredibly terrible.
A "terrible" teacher/class is different things to different people. I see your point though, and I'm mostly talking about the larger lecture classes. I rarely see it happen in my smaller classes.
I just find it funny how your viewpoint is PEOPLE NEED TO DO WELL, yet they only are allowed to do well your way. I thought teachers were supposed to understand how certain people learn better in different ways?
I'm not saying people have to learn in one specific way. There are rules, however.
Icehawk posted... Yeah, it is hard to "teach" business. If everyone used the same method to their business (ie. what is being taught in schools) then nobody would be successful. It takes a business mind to succeed in a business, not someone who is like "I learned this in business school!"
what the hell. no seriously, what the hell. where the hell did you pull this statement from? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
if you are starting a business, I'd have a hell of a time doing it on my own if I didn't take classes. You could have a brilliant idea, but that doesn't necessarily gain you immediate funding. Being about to form a business plan and analyze the plausibility of any idea you have are key assets, and it's quite helpful to learn about them in a class.
If you are gaining a job in business, there are plenty of common practices (like SWOT analyses, for example) to the point where having some idea going in definitely helps. Obviously there is going to be plenty of stuff you learn on the job, but unless you are an accountant or something of that nature, thats how most places are going to be.
The way it was put to me was simply businesses dont really care too much what you major in. business majors have their skills, people from other disciplines have theirs.
Above all businesses want to hire intelligent people who can contribute to what they want to accomplish, regardless of skillsets.
There was an article in The Atlantic, possibly a couple of years ago, about how business management degrees are not that useful. It was written by a guy who got a business job after majoring in Philosophy, and he said that that had prepared him just as much about how to deal with people as any of the business literature did, which mostly dealt with gobbledygook buzzwords. The reason why people with MBAs from Harvard are so sought after is because only the cream of the crop is let into the program, not necessarily because of anything you learn in the program itself. That's the argument the article made at least.
My cousin took a business course at a school (I don't know what Institutes of Technology fall under) and actually learned practical business applications and she works beside some people who have business degrees from other places who didn't learn practical things and they just bumble around because what they learned didn't actually apply to the workplace.
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From: Icehawk | #038 thats just an odd statement. Whether you learn anything or not, most businesses aren't going to hire you because you have that history major you learned so much from. But eitherway, most business adm majors make you take a pretty wide array of classes, to the point where I feel most will learn a decent amount.
history major happens to be one of the ones i hear mentioned as being worse than anything business related
From: Zachnorn | #058 Yeah, it is hard to "teach" business. If everyone used the same method to their business (ie. what is being taught in schools) then nobody would be successful. It takes a business mind to succeed in a business, not someone who is like "I learned this in business school!"
This, but replace "business" with just about any other major.
Physics, biology, chemistry, nursing, every engineering field and subfield... some subfields of psychology... I'd say only the arts really apply to your statement >_>
From: LOLContests | #065 There was an article in The Atlantic, possibly a couple of years ago, about how business management degrees are not that useful. It was written by a guy who got a business job after majoring in Philosophy, and he said that that had prepared him just as much about how to deal with people as any of the business literature did, which mostly dealt with gobbledygook buzzwords. The reason why people with MBAs from Harvard are so sought after is because only the cream of the crop is let into the program, not necessarily because of anything you learn in the program itself. That's the argument the article made at least.
Physics, biology, chemistry, nursing, every engineering field and subfield... some subfields of psychology... I'd say only the arts really apply to your statement >_>
First of all, "just about."
Secondly, I'd still argue the same thing. My point is that you need knowledge and the mind for certain fields. I personally feel that you could have plenty of knowledge in something like engineering, but you might not have the mind to really be successful with it.
I'm interested in chemistry, but something tells me that my mind just won't work for that. I could learn a lot about chemistry, but just because I know things about it doesn't mean I'd be a successful chemistry person. You need to know how to apply your knowledge in a creative way to be successful in whatever it is that you do.
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history major happens to be one of the ones i hear mentioned as being worse than anything business related
Funny story: My cousin is a history major. When she graduated, she had a graduation just for the history majors. The speaker actually talked about how useless the degree is, but it gives history majors good research skills.
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My point is that you need knowledge and the mind for certain fields. I personally feel that you could have plenty of knowledge in something like engineering, but you might not have the mind to really be successful with it.
Well, yeah. College studies in more technical fields are necessary but not sufficient for success. So if you are a low-wattage person, you can sit through all the college classes you like, and you'll still be a low-wattage person (even if you come through with decent grades due to grade inflation). However, on the flip side, you can be bright and have tons of potential, but if I'm hiring engineers and you've never taken an engineering class then I'm not looking at you. And rightly so.
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From: Midgar Zachnorn | #070 I'm interested in chemistry, but something tells me that my mind just won't work for that. I could learn a lot about chemistry, but just because I know things about it doesn't mean I'd be a successful chemistry person. You need to know how to apply your knowledge in a creative way to be successful in whatever it is that you do.
well yes
that's why you don't major in things you don't have the mind for
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that's why you don't major in things you don't have the mind for
Generally, yeah. But some people still do. They look at lists of high-paying majors and try to major in one of them. Or, they figure something like, "I like computers, so I'll be a computer science major!" without doing the proper research into it and then hoping they will be successful outside of school. They could do fine in their classes, but that doesn't mean that they will be able to apply their knowledge outside the classroom. This was part of the point; a business degree is great, but you have to have a certain mind to be really successful with it. I don't see how this doesn't apply to the majority of majors out there.
Anyway, first few days of USC, and it seems like this is how things worked out with laptops:
My business stats and geology classes allow laptops, and my geology teacher even asked people to take out their laptops/phones to update our calendars. Accounting and microeconomics, the most note-heavy and hardest classes, banned laptops. Mostly because of people using them to goof off on Facebook. Damn them.