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08/17/11 9:20:00 PM
#1:


Relative to Goku showing up on Namek and his first SSJ transformation, how powerful are Krillin, Tien, and Yamcha at the end of the series, at their peak?

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MajinZidane
08/17/11 9:22:00 PM
#2:


it's not exactly clear, but probably none of them are as powerful as anyone who is a super saiyan.

among the three of them, though, I think it's Tien > Krillin > Yamcha, with Tien being definitely the strongest human and Krillin and Yamcha being a lot closer together, maybe a tossup.

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junk_funk
08/17/11 9:24:00 PM
#3:


At the end of Frieza saga?

Krillin>Tien>Yamcha

At the end of DBZ?

Tien>Krillin>Yamcha

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FreakinLincoln
08/17/11 9:25:00 PM
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Goku is at roughly 60,000,000 power when he first becomes a Super Saiyan. Krillin, at his peak in the series, has around 200,000. Tien caps out around a half a milli. Yamcha around 300K.

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08/17/11 9:43:00 PM
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FreakinLincoln posted...
Goku is at roughly 60,000,000 power when he first becomes a Super Saiyan. Krillin, at his peak in the series, has around 200,000. Tien caps out around a half a milli. Yamcha around 300K.

What? No way is Yamcha stronger than Krillin.

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junk_funk
08/17/11 9:45:00 PM
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FreakinLincoln posted...
Goku is at roughly 60,000,000 power when he first becomes a Super Saiyan. Krillin, at his peak in the series, has around 200,000. Tien caps out around a half a milli. Yamcha around 300K.

This is a bullcrap answer.

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FreakinLincoln
08/17/11 9:46:00 PM
#7:


According to the first result when you google "Dragon Ball Z power chart" he is.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
08/17/11 9:48:00 PM
#8:


It's pretty much all theory who's the strongest human. There's nothing in the manga besides Yamcha saying Krillin is the strongest human and maybe Tien getting Buu's attention with a Tri Beam.

Unless you go by Filler where Yamcha easily beat the guy who barley lost to Pikkon who KO'd Perfect Cell with one kick making him the strongest.

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FreakinLincoln
08/17/11 9:48:00 PM
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Also I've never understood how they've arrived at the power level numbers at all. They're arbitrary and strange.

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BoshStrikesBack
08/17/11 9:50:00 PM
#10:


According to Freiza, his ultimate form has a power level of one million, meaning that SS1 should have about that same level. Where is this 60 million number coming from?

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SuperAngelo128
08/17/11 9:51:00 PM
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doesn't matter since they aren't Saiyans

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SHINE GET 64
08/17/11 9:52:00 PM
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anything after the frieza saga is pure guesswork. Most of the stuff before that is either stated in in the anime or manga or can be figured out with calculations (like SSJ being a 50x multiplier)

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
08/17/11 9:52:00 PM
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Here's the source with Freiza's power level.

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50% Frieza is 60 million.

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Seisen_Kitsune
08/17/11 9:53:00 PM
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According to Freiza, his ultimate form has a power level of one million, meaning that SS1 should have about that same level. Where is this 60 million number coming from?


Frieza's base form had a power level of one million which was "less than one percent of my power". I've heard 120 million as his max; early translations left out a zero and mistranslated it as 12 million.

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BoshStrikesBack
08/17/11 9:54:00 PM
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SHINE GET 64
08/17/11 9:54:00 PM
#16:


Vegeta only being at 30,000 is pretty funny in comparison to Goku and Frieza

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StealThisSheen
08/17/11 9:55:00 PM
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Power Levels are stupid and pretty much 100% guess work for most of the series. They're arbitrary numbers assigned with no real rhyme or reason and don't follow any trend whatsoever. All you can really do is guess based on showings. So...

Tien > Krillin > Yamcha

Or, with filler
Yamcha >= Tien > Krillin

Screw numbers.



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Seisen_Kitsune
08/17/11 10:00:00 PM
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*finds sourse* The Daizenshuu's (some Japanese only thing released by Akira Toriyama) listed Frieza at 120 mil and Super Saiyan Goku at 150 mil. Since that comes from Toriyama, that's as close to canon as you're going to get.

As far as I can tell I don't see anything official for post-Frieza saga, but then I'm too lazy to hunt down everything in all the Daizenshuu...books or whatever they are.

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SovietOmega
08/17/11 10:06:00 PM
#19:


find some kind of bug.

place it in your hand.

crush it.

your question is answered.

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Sorozone
08/17/11 10:08:00 PM
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Tien is at least as strong as Frieza end series. He showed no reason that he would stop training, and I'm completely basing this off Supreme Kai's statement of "The Kais could defeat Frieza in one blast" Supreme Kai, is one of those Kais, and he got destroyed by Fat Buu(The weakest form of 'evil' Buu mind you), and Tien, while he didn't do much to Super Buutenks(2nd strongest form of Buu), he did survive a kick. Which is something.

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SHINE GET 64
08/17/11 10:10:00 PM
#21:


Krillen would just get his wife to fight for him

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Mr Lasastryke
08/17/11 10:15:00 PM
#22:


As far as I can tell I don't see anything official for post-Frieza saga, but then I'm too lazy to hunt down everything in all the Daizenshuu...books or whatever they are.

The Daizenshuus are basically a collection of encyclopedias with information about Dragon Ball - though the first one is just pictures, IIRC.

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MarvelousGerbil
08/17/11 10:16:00 PM
#23:


Krillin>Tien>Yamcha during Freeza saga since Krillin got the weird Guru buff.

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MarvelousGerbil
08/17/11 10:21:00 PM
#24:


And wouldn't Uub technically be the strongest human probably?

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Sorozone
08/17/11 10:23:00 PM
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Yeah, if it went a few chapters further, but since he was introduced 2-3 chapters prior to the end, he had no real improvement to reach those heights, only the potential.
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MarvelousGerbil
08/17/11 10:25:00 PM
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Fine then Gotenks is the strongest human.

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HanOfTheNekos
08/17/11 10:26:00 PM
#27:


MarvelousGerbil posted...
Fine then Gotenks is the strongest human.

Doesn't count.

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MarvelousGerbil
08/17/11 10:26:00 PM
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Why not, He's 100% human!

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08/17/11 10:47:00 PM
#29:


MarvelousGerbil posted...
And wouldn't Uub technically be the strongest human probably?

Uub doesn't count.

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MarvelousGerbil
08/17/11 10:48:00 PM
#30:


All these rules! I guess you're going to tell me 18 doesn't count either.

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Natwaf_akidna
08/17/11 10:50:00 PM
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Wait, why doesn't Uub count?

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XNevermoreX
08/17/11 10:59:00 PM
#32:


The easy answer is: Tien > Krillin > Yamcha at the end of the series.

If you want numbers, considering the training for the androids, Krillin's Guru power up, and Tien training after Cell Saga..

Tien: 5 million
Krillin: 3.5 million
Yamcha: 1 million (at best)

Not claiming they are the real numbers, but probably close enough. Yamcha had no power up and stopped training, so he's dead last. Krillin had the power up, but stopped training. Tien had no power up, but had a lot more consistent training after Cell.

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BoshStrikesBack
08/17/11 11:10:00 PM
#33:


This is interesting stuff. As a casual DBZ fan, I have a couple of questions:

1) I remember that, when it was first revealed, Freiza's awesome power level "of one million" was a huge deal- there was even an episode named after it. But now I'm hearing that Yamcha of all people is comparably powerful? And how does all this jive with Freiza's minions, the scouter readings, Vegeta "hiding his power," etc.? Or is this just an anime/manga distinction?

2) I've personally disowned the Buu saga (DBZ Kai baby!), so I'm curious: would Tien > Krillin still hold?

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Shoenin_Kakashi
08/17/11 11:11:00 PM
#34:


I remember the DBZ rpg had Tien > Krillin >> Yamcha

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Shoenin_Kakashi
08/17/11 11:12:00 PM
#35:


also yeah, power levels are a stupid number that make no sense, stops paying attention to itself, and toriyama was just making it along as it went on since he realized power levels were goofy and made no sense most the time.

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MarvelousGerbil
08/17/11 11:14:00 PM
#36:


Where's Chioutzu fall in all this. Is he laughably weaker than Yamcha?

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
08/17/11 11:15:00 PM
#37:


Frieza's power level is just screwy, it's so weird that he has 3 other forms that don't contain even 1% of his true power. Also him having a power level of 1 million was a big deal since at the time the strongest beings besides Frieza and the Saiyan were the Ginyu Force with Ginyu at 120,000

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Shoenin_Kakashi
08/17/11 11:16:00 PM
#38:


I think he's like 1/4th the power Yamcha has at the end. He was so gimped and terrible, Tien told him to sit down when the andriods came.

Chiaotzu sucks

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
08/17/11 11:22:00 PM
#39:


Chiaotzu would be lucky to have that number, he retired from fighting villains at the Androids. Not only that but during the Saiyan saga he was below Yajirobe in power level and way below Yamcha.

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Natwaf_akidna
08/17/11 11:30:00 PM
#40:


Isn't he still training during the Buu saga along with Tien?

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08/17/11 11:36:00 PM
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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...
Chiaotzu would be lucky to have that number, he retired from fighting villains at the Androids. Not only that but during the Saiyan saga he was below Yajirobe in power level and way below Yamcha.

No way was he below Yajirobe.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
08/17/11 11:37:00 PM
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even if he wasnt, I still find it amusing Yajirobe did more than half of the group did.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
08/17/11 11:40:00 PM
#43:


Chiaotzu was probably more a buddy who hanged out with Tien than a training partner by that time. Even then his potential is still most likely much lower than Yamcha since he didn't show up for the Androids or Cell games even through Yamcha did.

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TimJab
08/17/11 11:40:00 PM
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From: BoshStrikesBack | #010
According to Freiza, his ultimate form has a power level of one million, meaning that SS1 should have about that same level. Where is this 60 million number coming from?


That was after his first transformation.

His final form buffed up to 100% power is level 120 million, but he can't maintain the power level and quickly dwindles back down to 12 million or so. Super Saiyan Goku is 150 million.

SSJ Goku's power level is the last official power level we get. Everything from Future Trunks (who is the first person to surpass 150 million) on is conjecture.

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08/17/11 11:41:00 PM
#45:


No way was he below Yajirobe.

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TimJab
08/17/11 11:42:00 PM
#46:


And power levels tend to fluctuate during battle. When somebody powers up a particularly large ki blast (like Vegeta using Final Flash against Perfect Cell), their power level skyrockets. Afterwards, their power level plummets.

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MarvelousGerbil
08/17/11 11:44:00 PM
#47:


Who's stronger, Yajirobe or Hercule. Hell, how does Videl compare to Yamcha by the end? I doubt she could keep up with Krillin and Tien.

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TimJab
08/17/11 11:45:00 PM
#48:


From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #042
even if he wasnt, I still find it amusing Yajirobe did more than half of the group did.


Yajirobe legitimately saved the Earth and the lives of all the Z-Fighters.

I don't think anybody but Goku and Gohan can say that. Piccolo killed Raditz but only because of Goku. Future Trunks can technically say that he saved everyone but in the original timeline Goku instant transmission'd back to Earth to kill Freiza, so Trunks stepping in wasn't necessary. He did save the world from the Androids and Cell in the alternate future though, even though all the Z-Fighters had been murdered already.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
08/17/11 11:47:00 PM
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Videl is General Blue/Nam level at best.

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08/17/11 11:48:00 PM
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From: MarvelousGerbil | #048
Who's stronger, Yajirobe or Hercule. Hell, how does Videl compare to Yamcha by the end? I doubt she could keep up with Krillin and Tien.


Yajirobe is way stronger than Hercule. Yamcha is stronger than Videl by an even wider margin.

Neither Hercule or Videl got much higher than 100 or so by the end of Z.

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