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KCF0107
08/15/11 12:35:00 PM
#51:


1. Chrono Trigger
2. Resident Evil 4
3. Super Mario 64
4. Super Mario World
5. Metal Gear Solid
6. Pokemon R/B/Y
7. Super Mario Bros. 3
8. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
9. Super Mario Galaxy
10. Super Mario Galaxy 2
11. Final Fantasy VI
12. Batman: Arkham Asylum
13. Star Fox 64
14. Half-Life 2
15. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
16. Final Fantasy X
17. Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
18. Paper Mario
19. Phoenix Wright: Trials & Tribulations
20. Final Fantasy IX
21. Super Smash Bros. Melee
22. Super Metroid
23. Mario Kart 64
24. Portal
25. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
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TsunamiXXVIII
08/15/11 12:55:00 PM
#52:


LeonhartFour posted...
I'm sure he'll find something else "more impressive" to rank above it that week.

You're joking, right? I have them ranked 1 and 2 right now; I've admitted that there's enough of a gap between 2 and 3 that it's unlikely that either one will fall out of the top 2 next week even though neither has a particularly impressive opponent, and I've repeatedly demonstrated that, much like actual NCAA voters, wins over highly ranked opponents often lead to jumping things up the ladder. Hell, I even stated it before, when I originally planned to say that "next week's #7 could be Week 15's #1" and had to change it when I noticed that the top 2 were facing each other. Yeah, next week should get things close, but Week 15's winner will probably be far ahead of anything else again.

So, yes, I'll find a few "more impressive" things to rank above Chrono Trigger, starting with Super Mario 64 and likely also including SMB3 and RE4. But only because it will truly, truly deserve it. And then you'll all complain about me being the one person denying RE4 its unanimous #1.

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 12:58:00 PM
#53:


From: TsunamiXXVIII | #052
You're joking, right?


No, I'm not.

Because that's what will happen.

So, yes, I'll find a few "more impressive" things to rank above Chrono Trigger, starting with Super Mario 64 and likely also including SMB3


Especially considering you still seem to have this mentality that Mario 3 deserves to be ranked above CT despite getting its butt kicked by it.

Oh, and not to mention, if CT beats Mario 64, that means CT would have beaten Mario 3 AND the other game that beat Mario 3, and yet you still think Mario 3 could potentially deserve it?

Oh right, it's because you still have this weird mentality that Chrono Trigger is a mid-major equivalent.

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Janus5000
08/15/11 1:05:00 PM
#54:


I'm sure he'll find something else "more impressive" to rank above it that week.

And when RE4 doubles MGS3, this choice will be clear !!

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TsunamiXXVIII
08/15/11 1:23:00 PM
#55:


Janus5000 posted...
I'm sure he'll find something else "more impressive" to rank above it that week.

And when RE4 doubles MGS3, this choice will be clear !!


...Nah, still probably won't be enough to push it past SM64. Although it does make my "only one preventing RE4 from being a unanimous #1" joke a bit more plausible.

(And yeah, RBY probably would still be #1 if it had won, because it was facing the better opponent and it really would seem hypocritical...oh, right, the assumption entering this week was that SMW would lose to RBY and would soon be plummeting clear out of the top 25. Kind of like the devaluing of CT's recent wins over TTYD and SMRPG. So maybe it's not totally implausible.)

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TsunamiXXVIII
08/15/11 1:49:00 PM
#56:


LeonhartFour posted...
From: TsunamiXXVIII | #052
You're joking, right?
No, I'm not.

Because that's what will happen.

So, yes, I'll find a few "more impressive" things to rank above Chrono Trigger, starting with Super Mario 64 and likely also including SMB3
Especially considering you still seem to have this mentality that Mario 3 deserves to be ranked above CT despite getting its butt kicked by it.

Oh, and not to mention, if CT beats Mario 64, that means CT would have beaten Mario 3 AND the other game that beat Mario 3, and yet you still think Mario 3 could potentially deserve it?

Oh right, it's because you still have this weird mentality that Chrono Trigger is a mid-major equivalent.


No, you seem to be of the mentality that I'm just coming up with excuses to not rank CT #1 when I clearly stated that I'll rank the winner of that match #1 and then started my list with SM64 and also made repeated references to my SM64 vote being the lone blemish on a unanimous #1 for RE4. Would you like to see my projected ballot, maybe that will make my intentions a bit clearer?

Tsunami's Week 15 Ballot (May change by the time Week 15 actually happens).
1. Super Mario 64 (14-1)
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (14-1)
3. Super Mario Bros. 3 (13-2)
4. Resident Evil 4 (15-0)
5. Chrono Trigger (14-1)
6. Final Fantasy IX (14-1)
7. Super Mario Galaxy (13-2)
8. Super Mario World (13-2)
9. Super Smash Bros. Melee (13-2)
10. Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow (14-1)
11. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (13-2)
12. Star Fox 64 (12-3)
13. Final Fantasy VII (13-2)
14. Half-Life 2 (13-2)
15. Final Fantasy X (12-3)
16. Super Metroid (13-2)
17. Final Fantasy VIII (10-5)
18. Metal Gear Solid (14-1)
19. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (12-3)
20. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (13-2)
21. Tales of Symphonia (13-2)
22. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (12-3)
23. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (13-2)
24. Batman: Arkham Asylum (13-2)
25. Sonic Adventure 2 (14-1)

And not that this matters yet because conference play hasn't started, but Chrono Trigger is a mid-major equivalent. swirl even said that its RPI will plummet once conference play starts.

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XxDarkCrueltyxX
08/15/11 2:07:00 PM
#59:


I think LttP is easily the most impressive one loss game. RE4 has only had one true test, but it passed with flying colors.

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VeryInsane
08/15/11 2:14:00 PM
#60:


Any school from a major conference would be ranked number 1-2 right now. Even Northwestern and Rutgers, two historically not very good schools at basketball, would be ranked number 1 and 2 if they were the only undefeated schools at this point.

Also find it somewhat disappointing that some people aren't ranking MK64. D:

(I guess if it beats RE4 people might respect it to actually put it at number 25.)

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swirIdude
08/15/11 2:25:00 PM
#61:


but Chrono Trigger is a mid-major equivalent. swirl even said that its RPI will plummet once conference play starts.

This is the singlest dumbest inference anyone has ever made in the history of NCAA Board 8 contests.

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Janus5000
08/15/11 2:45:00 PM
#62:


If MK64 beats RE4 it'll be a lot higher than #25.

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Maniac64
08/15/11 2:56:00 PM
#63:


Chrono Trigger is a perenial powerhouse. Just look at its preseason ranking.

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 3:03:00 PM
#64:


From: TsunamiXXVIII | #056
No, you seem to be of the mentality that I'm just coming up with excuses to not rank CT #1


Well, you've been doing it for the last several weeks.

but Chrono Trigger is a mid-major equivalent. swirl even said that its RPI will plummet once conference play starts.


Chrono Trigger plays in a terrible conference, but that's because the conferences were randomly generated. If I actually put some thought into it and made the conferences myself, CT would certainly be in a "power" conference and would stand a great chance at winning it. CT playing in a bad conference isn't really something to hold against it because that isn't its own doing.

But Bowser played in the absolute worst conference last year (The only other character from his conference to make the tournament was Laharl, and that was as a 13 seed), and he won the whole thing, so CT may be hoping history repeats itself (although it plays in the 2nd worst conference this year, not the worst).

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 3:34:00 PM
#65:


Still plenty of time.

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Haste_2
08/15/11 4:30:00 PM
#66:


1)Chrono Trigger
2)Resident Evil 4
3)The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
4)Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
5)Super Smash Bros. Melee
6)Super Mario 64
7)Super Mario Bros. 3
8)Super Mario World
9)Super Mario Galaxy
10)Final Fantasy X
11)Metal Gear Solid
12)Super Metroid
13)Final Fantasy VI
14)Super Mario Galaxy 2
15)The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
16)Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
17)Final Fantasy IX
18)Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
19)Batman: Arkham Asylum
20)Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
21)Mario Kart 64
22)Paper Mario
23)The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
24)Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations
25)Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (8-5)

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TsunamiXXVIII
08/15/11 5:01:00 PM
#67:


LeonhartFour posted...
From: TsunamiXXVIII | #056
No, you seem to be of the mentality that I'm just coming up with excuses to not rank CT #1
Well, you've been doing it for the last several weeks.

but Chrono Trigger is a mid-major equivalent. swirl even said that its RPI will plummet once conference play starts.
Chrono Trigger plays in a terrible conference, but that's because the conferences were randomly generated. If I actually put some thought into it and made the conferences myself, CT would certainly be in a "power" conference and would stand a great chance at winning it. CT playing in a bad conference isn't really something to hold against it because that isn't its own doing.

But Bowser played in the absolute worst conference last year (The only other character from his conference to make the tournament was Laharl, and that was as a 13 seed), and he won the whole thing, so CT may be hoping history repeats itself (although it plays in the 2nd worst conference this year, not the worst).


I wasn't holding it against it, just saying that it is in a weak conference, and (again, you're mining my quotes to suit your needs) that this doesn't matter because conference play hasn't started yet. Now, I can be quite vindictive at times--remember that Auburn/Clemson story? Well, that was one of only two times that I left Auburn off of my top 25--and the other was the final week, after they finished 14-0, as a protest against the shoddy officiating that allowed them to win the National Championship Game (although I later put them back on as "#1.5"). But I'm not going to do that here. Instead, I'm going to make just one more change, based solely upon your successful arguments. Drop SM64 to #2...

...and Chrono Trigger to #3. My new #1 is Super Mario Bros. 3, because contrary to popular belief, I actually do look at the matches themselves instead of just who won and who lost. CT-SMB3 came during the heart of the anti-Mario sentiment, when the series was taking over the entire top 25 and SMB3 had the #1 ranking and the big target on its back. Re-run it now, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if SMB3 won. And, of course, that SM64-SMB3 match could have gone either way, right? Or are you going to contradict yourself again?

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 5:04:00 PM
#68:


From: TsunamiXXVIII | #067
My new #1 is Super Mario Bros. 3, because contrary to popular belief, I actually do look at the matches themselves


No, you don't if that's what you're doing. "Anti-Mario sentiment" is a ridiculous argument to make, and there's no excuse for ranking it above BOTH of the games it lost to head-to-head.

It's pretty clear you're just being vindictive and stubborn for the sake of being vindictive and stubborn at this point.

And, of course, that SM64-SMB3 match could have gone either way, right? Or are you going to contradict yourself again?


It could have, but it didn't.

You don't rank based on "Hey could've gone either way" or "Hey if you ran that match again based on my ridiculous suppositions of CT beating Mario 3 by 10 votes due to anti-voting I think Mario 3 would win."

And no, that's not contradicting myself. You rank based on results.

And you're not doing that.

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VeryInsane
08/15/11 5:09:00 PM
#69:


Tsunami is really trying too hard here.

If you look at the matches themselves, why is Half-Life 2 so high despite not really doing anything of note? If you're arguing that you should bump CT down for not really facing "Strong opponents" (Although killing 2 people in your top 5 should be enough) then why are games like Star Fox 64 (Which lost to two unranked games in MMX and SCII) and Half-Life 2 (Which really has no good wins under its belt) so high up in your rankings? Hell, what has Yoshi's Island done to deserve a 12 ranking (I think it deserves to be on the board, but 12 is way too high)

You make no sense. @_@

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 5:10:00 PM
#70:


I think the reason he ranks Yoshi's Island right below FFX is because of their match.

But then that doesn't explain why he doesn't rank DKC2 right up there with them, too, since DKC2 beat Yoshi's Island by even more than FFX did.

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KCF0107
08/15/11 5:11:00 PM
#71:


I take it that this is my best ballot yet?

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 5:11:00 PM
#72:


Batman, Star Fox, and HL2 being that high is pretty questionable, but other than that, yeah, pretty solid for you.

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TsunamiXXVIII
08/15/11 5:16:00 PM
#73:


LeonhartFour posted...
From: TsunamiXXVIII | #067
And, of course, that SM64-SMB3 match could have gone either way, right? Or are you going to contradict yourself again?

It could have, but it didn't.

You don't rank based on "Hey could've gone either way"

And no, that's not contradicting myself. You rank based on results.

And you're not doing that.


Correct. That's why SM64 stays at #1 and SMB3 is #2. But CT's still staying at #3. And that is why there's no longer any chance of CT getting that unanimous #1 next week--because as close as SM64 and CT are right now, there's an SMB3 in the way.

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 5:19:00 PM
#74:


From: TsunamiXXVIII | #073
And that is why there's no longer any chance of CT getting that unanimous #1 next week--because as close as SM64 and CT are right now, there's an SMB3 in the way.


And yet you try to claim you're not being vindictive and you got upset when several of us suggested that you'd find some way not to rank CT #1 even after it beats Mario 64 in Week 15.

This is getting beyond ridiculous at this point.

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TsunamiXXVIII
08/15/11 5:22:00 PM
#75:


LeonhartFour posted...
I think the reason he ranks Yoshi's Island right below FFX is because of their match.

But then that doesn't explain why he doesn't rank DKC2 right up there with them, too, since DKC2 beat Yoshi's Island by even more than FFX did.


...That's part of why FFX > SMW2, but DKC2 just suffered another loss and also didn't have quite as much SoS to begin with. That's also why FFVII, which I said I absolutely can't take seriously right now, rated so high on my projected Week 15 ballot--in fact, I originally had a FFVII > FFX > FFIX > FFVIII cluster based on results, but then I reversed my prediction for the FFIX-FFVI match, and FFIX couldn't drop down into the pack (and I put some others in between the three that were in the cluster, even though there was no direct FFX > FFVIII result. Besides, we still have indirect FFX > FFIX > FFVIII, and besides I expect that FFX will do better than FFVIII did against FFVII so we have the indirect comparison.)

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red sox 777
08/15/11 5:43:00 PM
#76:


Tsunami, you're not making sense here. Why is beating FFX by 2 votes more impressive than 60-40ing LTTP and SMB3 (your new proposed #1)?

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TsunamiXXVIII
08/15/11 5:44:00 PM
#77:


LeonhartFour posted...
From: TsunamiXXVIII | #073
And that is why there's no longer any chance of CT getting that unanimous #1 next week--because as close as SM64 and CT are right now, there's an SMB3 in the way.
And yet you try to claim you're not being vindictive and you got upset when several of us suggested that you'd find some way not to rank CT #1 even after it beats Mario 64 in Week 15.

This is getting beyond ridiculous at this point.


I never claimed I wasn't. Chrono Trigger has done plenty to impress, but, well...

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X_vs_Metal_Gear_Solid_2_vs_Morrowind_vs_Silent_Hill_2_2009#Ulti.27s_Analysis

Those Elder Scrolls fans? That's what the Chrono Trigger Defense Squad here is becoming. If Chrono Trigger beats Super Mario 64, it should get my #1 vote...but I can make no guarantees about the week in between. I might just leave it off the ballot entirely out of protest. Or I might just post with an alt, a ballot that is so crazy that it would have to get disqualified, and only then post my real ballot.

Actually, it would probably be more effective to post a ballot with Chrono Trigger at #1 but with the remaining games being so outlandish that you'd have no choice but to disqualify it.

And come to think of it, if CT does pull off the win, it would be so worth the loss of karma to post a Voting topic before you do, just to ninja any snarky remarks like the one red sox made in post #15...or the ones you seem to make in nearly every post in this contest.

LeonhartFour posted...
Rules:

--You must fill out a complete top 25 in order for your vote to be counted.

--You must fill out your own top 25. If you simply copy/paste someone else's list, I won't count it.

--Remember, this is meant to be an objective list of what you think the top 25 most popular games in the contest are.


...unless you think that Chrono Trigger isn't #1. Then you will be mercilessly tormented. Okay, I'm done venting. Return Chrono Trigger to #2 and SMB3 to #3.

No, wait, don't do that. That would be stupid. SMB3 stays at #2 and Chrono Trigger stays at #3.

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 5:45:00 PM
#78:


Because CT was the beneficiary of anti-votes and it wasn't a fair match, apparently.

Although barely looking better than Yoshi's Island isn't all that great, no matter how you slice it.

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 5:47:00 PM
#79:


From: TsunamiXXVIII | #078
...unless you think that Chrono Trigger isn't #1. Then you will be mercilessly tormented.


No, unless you consistently provide stupid reasons for your voting and you seem to take delight in being a rebel against the system (In other words, being a biased voter).

Then you will be ridiculed and rightfully so.

If Chrono Trigger beats Super Mario 64, it should get my #1 vote...but I can make no guarantees about the week in between. I might just leave it off the ballot entirely out of protest. Or I might just post with an alt, a ballot that is so crazy that it would have to get disqualified, and only then post my real ballot.

Actually, it would probably be more effective to post a ballot with Chrono Trigger at #1 but with the remaining games being so outlandish that you'd have no choice but to disqualify it.

And come to think of it, if CT does pull off the win, it would be so worth the loss of karma to post a Voting topic before you do, just to ninja any snarky remarks like the one red sox made in post #15...or the ones you seem to make in nearly every post in this contest.


And yet you're trying to make us out to be the bad guys when you post crap like this.

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red sox 777
08/15/11 5:47:00 PM
#80:


Vote how you like Tsunami, that's why we vote.

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TsunamiXXVIII
08/15/11 5:48:00 PM
#81:


red sox 777 posted...
Vote how you like Tsunami, that's why we vote.

That's what I've been trying to do!

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 5:50:00 PM
#82:


And I still count your vote.

For the record, you're the one who insists on provoking the situation by making snarky comments about your voting patterns.

Most of the people here post their ballots and leave. I didn't even say anything about War doing something silly like voting SOTN #15 and leaving both PW games off of his ballot entirely!

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WarThaNemesis2
08/15/11 5:52:00 PM
#83:


PW3's done nothing to deserve being in the top 25 and PW1 has been so inconsistent since Week 3 that its early matches aren't close to being representative of its body of work!

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 5:53:00 PM
#84:


T&T beat G/S/C worse than the game you currently have ranked at #11!

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red sox 777
08/15/11 5:53:00 PM
#85:


Well everyone's free to voice their opinion on whether votes and especially arguments correspond to reality. I'm not saying you can't continue voting CT below #1; as a CT fanboy, I'm typically going to defend it. It is a bit off-putting how you have projected ballots where CT is supposed to fall, but there doesn't seem to be anything it can do to go up.

I mean, with me and Brawl, I was quite ready to rank it if it beat a legitimate top 25 game. And when it finally ran into one, it lost, so I didn't have to rank it.

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TsunamiXXVIII
08/15/11 5:54:00 PM
#86:


LeonhartFour posted...
And I still count your vote.

For the record, you're the one who insists on provoking the situation by making snarky comments about your voting patterns.

Most of the people here post their ballots and leave. I didn't even say anything about War doing something silly like voting SOTN #15 and leaving both PW games off of his ballot entirely!


Yeah, I was actually a little surprised that he only moved it up one spot after it actually did something impressive for a change.

But I was strictly responding to other people's comments this week. Still, I consider this little drama to be a good thing--look at how many votes this topic has drawn! I'm not about to spoil the full results, but Chrono Trigger has over 500 points! (it's not spoiling anything to say that CT is #1, because it's nearly a unanimous #1 and everyone knows it)

This is, what, only the second time that the #1 had over 500 points?

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WarThaNemesis2
08/15/11 5:57:00 PM
#87:


LeonhartFour posted...
T&T beat G/S/C worse than the game you currently have ranked at #11!

MGS's performances on Majora's Mask and Portal are better than anything T&T's done!

Edit: Not to mention that T&T needed overtime to beat Street Fighter!

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TsunamiXXVIII
08/15/11 5:58:00 PM
#88:


red sox 777 posted...
Well everyone's free to voice their opinion on whether votes and especially arguments correspond to reality. I'm not saying you can't continue voting CT below #1; as a CT fanboy, I'm typically going to defend it. It is a bit off-putting how you have projected ballots where CT is supposed to fall, but there doesn't seem to be anything it can do to go up.

I mean, with me and Brawl, I was quite ready to rank it if it beat a legitimate top 25 game. And when it finally ran into one, it lost, so I didn't have to rank it.


Yeah, well, same here. I had Chrono Trigger up at #2 ever since it beat SMB3 back in Week 5 (I think), which was a pretty quick ascension given that it wasn't even on my preseason ballot. (That wasn't a protest, by the way; I legitimately had no idea that Chrono Trigger would be such a beast, and as soon as I saw how high it was ranked in the preseason I moved it onto my Week 1 ballot even though I figured that its Week 1 opponent was probably not very good.)

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 5:59:00 PM
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Only because T&T hasn't gotten the chance...!

Besides, I didn't say T&T deserved to be ranked above MGS1! I was just taking issue with the "It's done nothing to deserve it" part! G/S/C's a top 40 game, I think.

EDIT: FFX nearly needed OT to beat Kirby 64, and you have it in your top 10!

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TsunamiXXVIII
08/15/11 6:00:00 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
Only because T&T hasn't gotten the chance...!

Besides, I didn't say T&T deserved to be ranked above MGS1! I was just taking issue with the "It's done nothing to deserve it" part! G/S/C's a top 40 game, I think.


Could be. I didn't think so prior to this week, but after its performance against MGS1...

Hmm, maybe I should do a top 50 next week...not necessarily post a top 50, just come up with one, to better determine how I should be ranking things.

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 6:27:00 PM
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Still a couple hours left

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 6:49:00 PM
#92:


Yep.

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 7:03:00 PM
#94:


Play Ratchet & Clank

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 7:18:00 PM
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We need another playthrough topic, darn it!

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swirIdude
08/15/11 7:28:00 PM
#97:


(One of these days, they're going to find out I have no idea what I'm doing.)

1. Chrono Trigger
2. Resident Evil 4
3. Super Mario 64
4. Super Mario Bros. 3
5. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
6. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
7. Super Smash Bros. Melee
8. Metal Gear Solid
9. Super Mario Galaxy 2
10. Super Mario Galaxy
11. Super Mario World
12. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
13. Super Metroid
14. Final Fantasy X
15. Final Fantasy IX
16. Final Fantasy VI
17. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
18. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
19. Batman: Arkham Asylum
20. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
21. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials & Tribulations
22. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
23. Tales of Symphonia
24. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
25. Paper Mario

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 8:06:00 PM
#98:


The final hour.

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LeonhartFour
08/15/11 8:29:00 PM
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30 minutes.

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