Board 8 > People still defend the 3DS?

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The Real Truth
08/07/11 12:31:00 PM
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Nobody here has ever talked about Ghost Recon. It has existed for a long time. Nobody would have ever put it on any kind of a favorites list.

Then the 3DS comes out.
And people start caring about it.
Seems like one of those, I must defend my purchase kind of deals.

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08/07/11 12:33:00 PM
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08/07/11 12:33:00 PM
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/59958915/666712708

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Theon_Greyjoy
08/07/11 12:34:00 PM
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People still make these topics?

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Wanglicious
08/07/11 12:37:00 PM
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/59958915/666713139

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the icon ownz all
08/07/11 12:38:00 PM
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I'm sure people caring about Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars has nothing to do with Ubisoft, for once, not making a cheap port and instead making a game that utilizes the system's features and is in a genre (strategy RPG) that most of this board loves. You're definitely right. It's that justifying a purchase thing.


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Xiahou Shake
08/07/11 12:39:00 PM
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Don't care about Ghost Recon, but with 20 free downloadable titles and Devil Survivor Overclocked this month I'm feeling pretty good about my purchase.

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the icon ownz all
08/07/11 12:39:00 PM
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Oh Wang said the same thing somewhere else.

Eh!


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BlackMageJawa
08/07/11 1:18:00 PM
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One of the first Xbox 360 games I bought was Tomb Raider Legend, because I loved the demo even though I never cared about the Tomb Raider series prior to the reboot.

Clearly, the 360 was a massive flop and I'm just pretending to enjoy Legend to justify my stupid purchase, because it's impossible for a mediocre series to produce a surprisingly awesome game.
Especially since franchises are never farmed out to different developers who might try a new spin on the series that turns out to be significantly different to the forgettable instalments.

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Pretty_Odd
08/07/11 1:23:00 PM
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Wait, do people think 3DS is a bad system? Why? I'm definitely planning to get one at the new low low price of $169. 95.

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GuessMyUserName
08/07/11 1:24:00 PM
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really

you're whining because nobody put Ghost Recon on their favourites list?


you can like stuff a lot without putting it on your top 10 best ____ games ever lists




unless you're LMS and you've only played 10 games!

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pjbasis
08/07/11 2:05:00 PM
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Eh, even if the 3DS isn't good now, I know it'll eventually have enough games to warrant a purchase. And since I would like to play OoT, MK7, and 3D Land as soon as possible, might as well just buy it now.
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StealThisSheen
08/07/11 2:11:00 PM
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Man, you're really reaching for things to troll about these days, aren't you?



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Dauntless Hunter
08/07/11 2:37:00 PM
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The 3DS Ghost Recon game is nothing like the other Ghost Recon games, so that's why people who never care about the older GR games are interested in this one.

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Bigwig_rah
08/07/11 2:40:00 PM
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The Real Truth posted...
Nobody here has ever talked about Ghost Recon. It has existed for a long time. Nobody would have ever put it on any kind of a favorites list.

Then the 3DS comes out.
And people start caring about it.
Seems like one of those, I must defend my purchase kind of deals.


If the 3DS launched with better games I guarantee no one one give a damn about any of the current games. By better games I mean like, a big franchise.

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GuessMyUserName
08/07/11 3:31:00 PM
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From: Bigwig_rah | Posted: 8/7/2011 5:40:34 PM | #015
If the 3DS launched with better games I guarantee no one one give a damn about any of the current games. By better games I mean like, a big franchise.


is anybody claiming otherwise? Is anyone calling Shadow Wars a 10/10 game, everyone must buy?

This is launch period. big hitters take time to develop these days. launch period is the time where people settle for good-not-great stuff just to test out the new hardware. Early Wii launch everyone was hyped for Wii Sports, Excite Truck, and Red Steel. 360 launch, Perfect Dark Zero and Quake 4, terrible games, received an average of 8/10. PS3 launch, and for 2 whole years, Resistance was their shining star until 2008 finally brought them their MGS4. Hell, DS started much worse than 3DS, and didn't hit it big until MKDS came out in the next year's holiday season, and look how that system turned out.

If people are interested in buying something at launch, they just want something to play on their new machines. The big stuff comes later. Fire Emblem, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Gears of War, Uncharted, Mario Kart DS those came a year after their console's release. 360's first huge system seller, Halo 3, was two years later. 3DS has Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 7, and Kid Icarus coming this year, plus a fair bunch of B titles to keep us entertained too.

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paperwarior
08/07/11 3:33:00 PM
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It is our duty as soldiers of Nintendo to defend it from metaphorical artillery and ground infantry in this Intense Console War!

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agesboy
08/07/11 3:36:00 PM
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Early Wii launch everyone was hyped for Wii Sports, Excite Truck, and Red Steel.

dont remind me of my hopes for that game ;_;

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BlackMageJawa
08/07/11 3:42:00 PM
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This is launch period. big hitters take time to develop these days. launch period is the time where people settle for good-not-great stuff just to test out the new hardware. Early Wii launch everyone was hyped for Wii Sports, Excite Truck, and Red Steel. 360 launch, Perfect Dark Zero and Quake 4, terrible games, received an average of 8/10. PS3 launch, and for 2 whole years, Resistance was their shining star.

And Shadow Wars is better than all of those. But what's so bad about Quake 4? I've got it on PC and thought it was pretty good.

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Wanglicious
08/07/11 3:46:00 PM
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yeah, Shadow Wars is really just a surprisingly good game and does show off the 3D a bit, without being too offensive on it too. after playing it in 3D for a while i turned it off to see how it looked and... honestly the game looked a ton more bland. really did provide a difference.

was a surprising time sink for me, and i'm sure if i played multi it'd be one there too. just is easy. but you'll spend 2 hours on it quick without realizing it (something good SRPGs tend to have in common). i mean even down the road this one should remain an above average game which is just really unusual to find.

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StealThisSheen
08/07/11 3:51:00 PM
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Shadow Wars is to 3DS as Trauma Center is to DS.

I was toting these since day one and most people ignored me.

But then everyone comes around.

They always do.



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FateStayAlbion
08/07/11 3:53:00 PM
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I find it tough to believe that people will defend a system that got a 80 dollar price drop within 6 months out of desperation, but whatever.

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GuessMyUserName
08/07/11 3:55:00 PM
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From: BlackMageJawa | Posted: 8/7/2011 6:42:20 PM | #019
But what's so bad about Quake 4? I've got it on PC and thought it was pretty good.


eh, I mean it wasn't like offensively bad like Perfect Dark Zero was, but it's absolutely the most generic FPS I've ever played >_>

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paperwarior
08/07/11 3:57:00 PM
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There are plenty of things wrong with the 3DS. No games yet, the 3D gimmick driving up the price, low battery life. But an $80 price drop is nothing but good. It was overpriced at $250, now it's at least somewhat reasonable.

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StealThisSheen
08/07/11 3:57:00 PM
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FateStayAlbion posted...
I find it tough to believe that people will defend a system that got a 80 dollar price drop within 6 months out of desperation, but whatever.



...Because it didn't go from perfectly priced to lol cheap? It went from overpriced to perfectly priced.



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FateStayAlbion
08/07/11 3:58:00 PM
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paperwarior posted...
There are plenty of things wrong with the 3DS. No games yet, the 3D gimmick driving up the price, low battery life. But an $80 price drop is nothing but good. It was overpriced at $250, now it's at least somewhat reasonable.

Good for consumers, maybe. A price drop of that magnitude within 6 months is a sign of a system that is doing really bad. Theres a reason that Nintendos stock fell off a cliff after that price drop.

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StealThisSheen
08/07/11 3:59:00 PM
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paperwarior posted...
There are plenty of things wrong with the 3DS. No games yet, the 3D gimmick driving up the price, low battery life. But an $80 price drop is nothing but good. It was overpriced at $250, now it's at least somewhat reasonable.


I will simply echo the thought that the 3DS has better games already than PS3, 360, Wii, PSP, and DS did a year after launch.



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StealThisSheen
08/07/11 4:00:00 PM
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FateStayAlbion posted...
paperwarior posted...
There are plenty of things wrong with the 3DS. No games yet, the 3D gimmick driving up the price, low battery life. But an $80 price drop is nothing but good. It was overpriced at $250, now it's at least somewhat reasonable.

Good for consumers, maybe. A price drop of that magnitude within 6 months is a sign of a system that is doing really bad. Theres a reason that Nintendos stock fell off a cliff after that price drop.



It was likely doing really bad because it was overpriced. I'm not sure how you aren't understanding this argument.



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Wanglicious
08/07/11 4:00:00 PM
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and there's a reason it'll shoot up as if nothing happened by the year's end.
and i own every Trauma Center game, owning the first since it came out, so what now SEP.

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GuessMyUserName
08/07/11 4:01:00 PM
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From: agesboy | Posted: 8/7/2011 6:36:27 PM | #018
Early Wii launch everyone was hyped for Wii Sports, Excite Truck, and Red Steel.

dont remind me of my hopes for that game ;_;


ahah oh man this game

me and my brother still play this multiplayer together because the multiplayer is sooo hilariously bad

like if you're crouching, and you point at someone from quite a far distance on the same floor, and you get the sword icon to pop up, your character will totally sprint over at lighting speed while still crouching and pretty much ohko them... and there's only 4 multiplayer levels, hah. though I love love love that I can play as a man dressed up like a little girl with a pink wig and tutu


but Red Steel 2 is great, it's totally what Red Steel 1 should have been: primarily a sword game that features gunplay, instead of a gun game that features swordplay.

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StealThisSheen
08/07/11 4:01:00 PM
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Wanglicious posted...
and there's a reason it'll shoot up as if nothing happened by the year's end.
and i own every Trauma Center game, owning the first since it came out, so what now SEP.



You were also the only person to agree with me on Ghost Recon for awhile, so I just have to say that you have impeccable taste!



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paperwarior
08/07/11 4:03:00 PM
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I gotta get a Wii Motion Plus at some point. Red Steel 2 and Skyward Sword, plus that Wii Sports sequel.

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whatisurnameplz
08/07/11 4:03:00 PM
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Really?

This is the first time I've seen anyone mention the Ghost Recon 3DS game here.

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Wanglicious
08/07/11 4:03:00 PM
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also battery life is one thing that people keep knocking on it however it's... actually not terrible. if you cut the brightness down, take off the 3D, and cut the wi-fi, it can suddenly play for 6 hours. only with everything maxed out will you get a 3-4 hour range (even lowering the brightness alone will help a ton). it's certainly better than the current PSP at least. it's not monsterous like the DS was, but it definitely works for potable gaming.

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FateStayAlbion
08/07/11 4:05:00 PM
#35:


StealThisSheen posted...
It was likely doing really bad because it was overpriced. I'm not sure how you aren't understanding this argument.

Yet if this was a non-Nintendo system, people would be saying how its a failure. Nintendo isn't infallible. There is literally no way you can argue that the first 6 months of the 3DS are positive in any single way, especially now with the massive price drop.

Has there ever been a system that started off this bad that ended up wildly successful? Even PS3 took longer to lower its price, and PS3 has never fully recovered. I'm not saying 3ds won't still do well... its just lost any chance of being as dominant this generation as the last few Nintendo handhelds.

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08/07/11 4:06:00 PM
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From: paperwarior | Posted: 8/7/2011 7:03:12 PM | #032
I gotta get a Wii Motion Plus at some point. Red Steel 2 and Skyward Sword, plus that Wii Sports sequel.


Well you get a gold Wiimote with built-in WM+ controls bundled with Skyward Sword!

although for some reason, on that high-school-storage-space website, you can buy Red Steel 2 for $49.99, but you can but Red Steel 2 with WM+ bundle for $29.99

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LinkMarioSamus
08/07/11 4:07:00 PM
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Well the Wii launch shipped with a pop culture phenomenon and a contender for best game in a 20+ year old franchise. Doesn't sound that bad to me.

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Wanglicious
08/07/11 4:08:00 PM
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....a system taking more time to lower the price everyone saw as too high and get good games both on it and in the immediate future yet still being a success is not an argument against the 3DS.

especially when the game in the immediate future are multiple Mario games and it has the holiday season all to itself.

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paperwarior
08/07/11 4:10:00 PM
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I don't think it has the holiday season to itself. Isn't there good stuff in November?

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FateStayAlbion
08/07/11 4:12:00 PM
#40:


Wanglicious posted...
....a system taking more time to lower the price everyone saw as too high and get good games both on it and in the immediate future yet still being a success is not an argument against the 3DS.

especially when the game in the immediate future are multiple Mario games and it has the holiday season all to itself.


You don't think that the PS2/PS3 comparison vs DS/3DS makes it look bad? PS2 went from dominating the console wars to being in third place. 3DS has a legit chance of losing this handheld generation to the Vita if you compare the two.

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StealThisSheen
08/07/11 4:14:00 PM
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FateStayAlbion posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
It was likely doing really bad because it was overpriced. I'm not sure how you aren't understanding this argument.

Yet if this was a non-Nintendo system, people would be saying how its a failure. Nintendo isn't infallible. There is literally no way you can argue that the first 6 months of the 3DS are positive in any single way, especially now with the massive price drop.

Has there ever been a system that started off this bad that ended up wildly successful? Even PS3 took longer to lower its price, and PS3 has never fully recovered. I'm not saying 3ds won't still do well... its just lost any chance of being as dominant this generation as the last few Nintendo handhelds.



...The 3DS isn't even doing nearly as bad as you seem to think it is. Look at it this way:

Super Street Fighter 4, combined, sold under 2 mil.

Super Street Fighter 4 3DS has sold almost half a million already.

A game that pretty much everybody and their mother that already wants it has it... Has sold half a million, which is half of its sales on PS3 and over half of the 360 sales.

The 3DS hasn't sold NEARLY as bad as people think it has. Nintendo just had lofty expectations because of the DS, and it hasn't hit them. And that's because it's overpriced. So how do you solve a pricing problem? Lowering the price.



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paperwarior
08/07/11 4:14:00 PM
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I'd say Vita has a reasonably good chance compared to other non-Nintendo handhelds, especially due to sort of being a smartphone, but it ain't over till it's over.

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Wanglicious
08/07/11 4:19:00 PM
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there's a couple games all around for the main systems to get some movement going. but the standard "this is the must-buy item!" is pretty much down to just the 3DS now due to the drop in price and games to come out.


You don't think that the PS2/PS3 comparison vs DS/3DS makes it look bad?

no. PS3 was overpriced on top of being overpriced at $600 and it only started taking off once they dropped it to $400 with a good game from a major series finally on it (instead of just Resistance and... what else did it have?), along with an immediate future that looked solid. the PS3 also had competition in the form of the 360 coming out ahead of it AND cheaper offering the same games and the Wii running a peripheal with numbers close to the PS3.

the 3DS cut its being overpriced to a point that they know sells and is reasonable (the same price they were selling the XL at), already has what the PS3 took 2 years to make in terms of a library, and has an immediate future that looks killer good. with no other current systems having those games, and no real competition in that part of the market, as it enters the holiday season with big names.


...sorry, it really doesn't work for a comparison. PS3 was WAY overpriced, took more time to start up, had actual competition, and took more time to get traction going. none of those problems exist now (or a week from now if you wanna be picky). this is in addition to them generating some buzz that if you get one now you can get some extra perks for it with the 20 games, which probably drove sales up already.

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Wanglicious
08/07/11 4:23:00 PM
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the vita'll do fine. it's not like the PSP was a failure now - the damn thing has nearly 70 million sold last i checked. japan loves portable gaming. there's plenty of room for multiple people there doing well (hell, the consoles have all 3 being legitimate successes). but in terms of being No. 1, it's pretty much just nintendo there. they're on top of it and know what they're doing. if they wanted to close their eyes and cover their ears the price drop wouldn't have even happened in the first place, nor would the 20 games bonus deal, which is just plain a nice PR move.

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FateStayAlbion
08/07/11 4:26:00 PM
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I think that Vita will outdo 3DS in Japan, at least. They freaking love PSP there.. its outsold the DS the last 2 years in Japan. In the West though, I expect 3DS will do better than Vita. Worldwide, 3DS will still likely win, but significantly closer than DS vs PSP.

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Wanglicious
08/07/11 4:37:00 PM
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to be fair everyone already has a DS in japan, so outselling it isn't exactly something of an amazing feat in that sense - the feat there is that everyone in Japan also owns a PSP.

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SHINE GET 64
08/08/11 5:41:00 AM
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The main reason for that is Monster Hunter though and this time both handhelds will have it.

It'll be interesting to see how the distribution in Japan shakes down for that

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Liquid Wind
08/08/11 6:50:00 AM
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this board is a well known colony of nintendo addicts, of course they'll take any halfway decent game and put it on a pedestal to defend their precious. they did the same thing with games like no more heroes and red steel -_-
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__Smurf__
08/08/11 7:11:00 AM
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Liquid Wind posted...
this board is a well known colony of nintendo addicts, of course they'll take any halfway decent game and put it on a pedestal to defend their precious. they did the same thing with games like no more heroes and red steel -_-

No More Heroes is awesome, get lost with that BS.

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08/08/11 7:15:00 AM
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