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WazzupGenius00 08/05/11 8:54:00 AM #1: |
They say that Mojang's new upcoming game, Scrolls, infringes on the trademark of The Elder Scrolls.
http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/99490084570660864 http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/99504783689388033 And I just saw an discussion not long ago with notch and Todd Howard (Executive Producer of Bethesda Softworks) where they were being real friendly with each other. -- A hare like me couldn't catch up to Black Turtle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwindor 08/05/11 8:56:00 AM #2: |
100% not buying Skyrim unless they cut this **** out.
****ing lawyers. -- "What if you just eat vegetarians?"-neonreaper "^ You are what you eat. ^_~"-Koiji ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VincentLauw 08/05/11 9:35:00 AM #3: |
Is this a joke
I have no idea what Scrolls is but if they aren't even remotely similar this has to be a joke right -- http://img.imgcake.com/mosdefswaggifes.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GANON1025 08/05/11 9:36:00 AM #4: |
Good.
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KamikazePotato 08/05/11 9:38:00 AM #5: |
Really.
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Viktor Vaughn 08/05/11 9:39:00 AM #6: |
http://www.scrolls.com/
ah hm yes i can not distinguish this from "The Elder Scrolls" in any fashion -- bad advice http://img.imgcake.com/viktorpnges.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WazzupGenius00 08/05/11 9:40:00 AM #7: |
From: VincentLauw | #003I have no idea what Scrolls is but if they aren't even remotely similar this has to be a joke right From what we've seen, Scrolls looks like a sort of card game thing. The issue's not with the games being too similar, it's the names. -- A hare like me couldn't catch up to Black Turtle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Mana Sword 08/05/11 9:40:00 AM #8: |
Good.
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VincentLauw 08/05/11 9:42:00 AM #9: |
Which is why I said this has to be a joke
next thing you know Blizzard will be suing game developers who use the word 'craft' or 'war' in their game titles -- http://img.imgcake.com/smilegifge.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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the icon ownz all 08/05/11 9:42:00 AM #10: |
From: VincentLauw | #009 Notch is screwed again! -- ICON: #Kanyeshrug ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Viktor Vaughn 08/05/11 9:43:00 AM #11: |
ahahaha
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Coffee Ninja 08/05/11 9:43:00 AM #12: |
Show them who's boss Bethesda, CRUSH THEM ALL.
oh and make the Elder Scrolls after Skyrim be Elswyer or Black Marsh plz -- http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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skull_bonek23 08/05/11 9:43:00 AM #13: |
Why would it be a big deal to change the name? Just change the name >_>. Sure Bethesda might be overreacting but I don't care because I JUST WANT SKYRIM IN MY HANDS RIGHT NOW
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_stingers_ 08/05/11 9:44:00 AM #14: |
From: skull_bonek23 | #013 uh because why should he have to change the name if this went to court he'd win easily so w/e -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/10stingerspngvu.png http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Apalachian ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VincentLauw 08/05/11 9:44:00 AM #15: |
From: the icon ownz all | #010 oh snap -- http://img.imgcake.com/smilegifge.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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skull_bonek23 08/05/11 9:45:00 AM #16: |
uh because why should he have to change the name
if this went to court he'd win easily so w/e Principle > Logic again! -- skull ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WazzupGenius00 08/05/11 9:47:00 AM #17: |
This topic has made me realize that I have no distinction between VincentLauw and Viktor Vaughn.
I just see the first letter of the name and the general length of the name and assume they're the same. -- (10:17:09 PM) Ed Bellis: i think pac-man just keeps repeating, for instance (10:17:26 PM) ertyu: ya well tell that to billy michtlle ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ainoxi 08/05/11 9:48:00 AM #18: |
From: skull_bonek23 | #016 ...are you being serious right now? -- C _ _ H _ _ E _ _ S _ _ T _ _ E _ _ R _ _ _ http://img.imgcake.com/chestaga1gifun.gif \ http://bbg-games.com \ http://twitter.com/BennFried ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_stingers_ 08/05/11 9:48:00 AM #19: |
i hope not -,-
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the icon ownz all 08/05/11 9:49:00 AM #20: |
viktor vaughn is snowy, one of the best users around and a man still needing to submit an album list. the other is just a dirty belgian anarchist.
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pjbasis 08/05/11 9:49:00 AM #21: |
WazzupGenius00 posted...
This topic has made me realize that I have no distinction between VincentLauw and Viktor Vaughn. I just see the first letter of the name and the general length of the name and assume they're the same. Been doing this since forever. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LamdaMax 08/05/11 9:49:00 AM #22: |
Not sure what I think of the fact that Notch's reaction was to tweet this. Seems like he's using his legions of fans to generate negative publicity towards Bethesda until they withdraw. Not that he was in the wrong to begin with, though.
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FAHtastic 08/05/11 9:50:00 AM #23: |
Great, so we finally got 'edge' back from Tim Langdell and now Bethesda won't let people use 'scroll?'
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Ainoxi 08/05/11 9:50:00 AM #24: |
From: LamdaMax | #022 Seems like a valid response to me. "You used a word that is in one of our titles. WE'RE SUING!" deserves all of the negative publicity it gets. -- C _ _ H _ _ E _ _ S _ _ T _ _ E _ _ R _ _ _ http://img.imgcake.com/chestaga1gifun.gif \ http://bbg-games.com \ http://twitter.com/BennFried ... Copied to Clipboard!
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skull_bonek23 08/05/11 9:51:00 AM #25: |
Not really, no. Scrolls looks pretty good but I don't think anything is going to happen with this silly lawsuit.
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VincentLauw 08/05/11 9:51:00 AM #26: |
From: the icon ownz all | #020 how RUDE -- http://www.myspace.com/moresomebelgium My totally rad band, yo. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tom Bombadil 08/05/11 9:54:00 AM #27: |
man I wouldn't have heard of scrolls if not for this sounds awesome
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the icon ownz all 08/05/11 9:55:00 AM #28: |
is there a card based video game you don't like bolo
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baron von toast 08/05/11 9:56:00 AM #29: |
Silly lawsuit. It's probably going to be better than anything Bethesda has ever crapped out so maybe they can ride on Notch's coattails for a bit.
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WazzupGenius00 08/05/11 9:57:00 AM #30: |
From: LamdaMax | #022 well in between those two tweets he also tweeted this http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/99498963081764864 where he says he still loves Bethesda. But yeah tbh Bethesda absolutely deserves the negative reaction they get from this and as tom demonstrates, this is like free advertising for Scrolls, so good play on notch's part imo -- The Temple of Kraden, a forum for fans of Golden Sun: http://z9.invisionfree.com/The_Temple_of_Kraden/index.php?act=site ... Copied to Clipboard!
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beavis666x2 08/05/11 9:59:00 AM #31: |
From: baron von toast | #030 -- Nanomachines: The cause of and solution to all of life's problems. http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5980/861756874pp6.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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skull_bonek23 08/05/11 10:02:00 AM #32: |
But could people at least see where Bethesda is coming from (as stupid as it is)? If somebody went and made a game with Mario or Sonic as a big part of the title then Nintendo and Sega would demolish them even if it didn't have anything to do with the characters. Certain words draw obvious connections to other franchises when you use them in the same way. If someone made a game called Joe Smith: The Quest for the Scroll then Bethesda wouldn't give a f***. Whether the connection was intentional or not it's still there.
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Tom Bombadil 08/05/11 10:04:00 AM #33: |
is there a card based video game you don't like bolo
I think there was a flash ccg I couldn't get the hang of once and thought was dumb other than that uh nope I love them dearly -- ~Tommeri Uranius Bombaldi the Fourth, esq. (aka not Krakenprophet) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VincentLauw 08/05/11 10:05:00 AM #34: |
From: skull_bonek23 | #032 This is not the same not even in the slightest this is more like calling a game 'Kart' and Nintendo suing you because they have a franchise called 'Mario Kart' -- http://img.imgcake.com/tyler2gifat.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WazzupGenius00 08/05/11 10:05:00 AM #35: |
No, it's not even close to the same as a game having "Mario" or "Sonic" in the title. Heck, people barely refer to them as "The Elder Scrolls," it's usually just "Daggerfall" "Morrowind" "Oblivion" "Skyrim"
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KamikazePotato 08/05/11 12:54:00 PM #36: |
A lot of people want more details about what is going on, so here is everything I know:
First of all, I love Bethesda. I assume this nonsense is partly just their lawyers being lawyers, and a result of trademark law being the way it is. About half a year ago, our lawyers recommended us to register Minecraft as a trademark, so we did. I had voted against it initially, but we did it anyway. Better safe than sorry, and all that. At the same time, we also applied for Scrolls, the new game were working on. We knew of no similarly named games, and we had even googled it to make sure. Im not even sure if you CAN trademark individual words, like Scrolls, but we sent in the application anyway. (Disclosure: Weve enforced the trademark for Minecraft once, when there was a minecraft clone on iOS, using our name. People were emailing me saying our iOS version was buggy and bad, so we asked them to change the name of their game, and they did.) A while later, out of the blue, we got contacted by Bethesdas lawyers. They wanted to know more about the Scrolls trademark we were applying for, and claimed it conflicted with their existing trademark The Elder Scrolls. I agree that the word Scrolls is part of that trademark, but as a gamer, I have never ever considered that series of (very good) role playing games to be about scrolls in any way, nor was that ever the focal point of neither their marketing nor the public image. The implication that you could own the right to all individual words within a trademark is also a bit scary. We looked things up and realized they didnt have much of a case, but we still took it seriously. Nothing about Scrolls is meant to in any way derive from or allude to their games. We suggested a compromise where wed agree to never put any words in front of Scrolls, and instead call sequels and other things something along the lines of Scrolls - The Banana Expansion. Im not sure if they ever got back to us with a reply to this. Today, I got a 15 page letter from some Swedish lawyer firm, saying they demand us to stop using the name Scrolls, that they will sue us (and have already paid the fee to the Swedish court), and that they demand a pile of money up front before the legal process has even started. I assume this is all some more or less automated response to us applying for the trademark. I sincerely hope Bethesda isnt pulling a Tim Langdell. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SBell0105 08/05/11 1:00:00 PM #37: |
Does this mean that a game called ELDER would be cause for a lawsuit as well?
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Sir Cobain 08/05/11 1:01:00 PM #38: |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/arcade/568763-sonic-blast-man
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WazzupGenius00 08/05/11 4:46:00 PM #39: |
bump so more can laugh at Bethesda (well, it's probably Zenimax Media who's at fault here actually)
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Silvercross 08/05/11 4:56:00 PM #40: |
This is hilarious.
I also had a good laugh at whoever it was that suggested that this is like using Mario or Sonic in the title of a game, people saying he's wrong, and then Cobain coming in with the double shutdown. -- There was a signature here. It's gone now. Your face is bees. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WarThaNemesis2 08/05/11 4:59:00 PM #41: |
Skyrim sounds like Shaymin time to shut down The Elder Scrolls, Nintendo.
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SmartMuffin 08/05/11 5:00:00 PM #42: |
Anyone who claims they won't buy Skyrim because of this is completely and totally full of crap.
This is a no-lose situation by Bethesda. A no-effort attempt at probably getting some small settlement. Nothing to see here. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized http://img.imgcake.com/lolkrugmanjpgry.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pram_the_Oracle 08/05/11 5:02:00 PM #43: |
Are... are you actually supporting Bethesda in this?
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SmartMuffin 08/05/11 5:03:00 PM #44: |
Are... are you actually supporting Bethesda in this?
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Silvercross 08/05/11 5:04:00 PM #45: |
When you say "No-Lose" it makes you sound like you think Bethesda is going to win this lawsuit.
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SmartMuffin 08/05/11 5:06:00 PM #46: |
When you say "No-Lose" it makes you sound like you think Bethesda is going to win this lawsuit.
No, but they won't lose anything regardless of the outcome. There will most likely BE no lawsuit. It was probably a cheap attempt at intimidation. These things happen constantly in the corporate world, but usually the person receiving them doesn't whine about it on Twitter to try and rile up a bunch of naieve nerds. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized http://img.imgcake.com/lolkrugmanjpgry.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 08/05/11 5:07:00 PM #47: |
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Biolizard28 08/05/11 5:08:00 PM #48: |
Frankly I hope he loses.
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Silvercross 08/05/11 5:16:00 PM #50: |
SmartMuffin posted...
When you say "No-Lose" it makes you sound like you think Bethesda is going to win this lawsuit. No, but they won't lose anything regardless of the outcome. There will most likely BE no lawsuit. It was probably a cheap attempt at intimidation. These things happen constantly in the corporate world, but usually the person receiving them doesn't whine about it on Twitter to try and rile up a bunch of naieve nerds. Right, this is what I thought you meant. -- There was a signature here. It's gone now. Your face is bees. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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