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BoshStrikesBack
08/04/11 5:17:00 PM
#1:


These are definitely the two most-loved SRPGs on B8 (well, Disgaea and FE9 might have a case too), but I've never actually figured out which is more well liked. Help me out!

My vote is obvious.

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KamikazePotato
08/04/11 5:18:00 PM
#2:


FE7 is a better game. FFT is more fun.

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Evillordexdeath
08/04/11 5:18:00 PM
#3:


FFT

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crazyisgood
08/04/11 5:19:00 PM
#4:


FFt

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Panthera
08/04/11 5:19:00 PM
#5:


I'm a big FE fan and FE7 is one of the better ones but FFT is still the much better game.

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BoshStrikesBack
08/04/11 5:35:00 PM
#6:


So it's either 4-1 or 3-2, lol

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LordoftheMorons
08/04/11 5:42:00 PM
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loved them both, but probably FF7

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BoshStrikesBack
08/04/11 5:43:00 PM
#9:


This isn't "random", you make this topic twice a year.

This is actually the first time Bosh has made this topic!


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Blairville
08/04/11 5:43:00 PM
#10:


FE7

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Kenri
08/04/11 6:22:00 PM
#11:


FE7

Though FE7 is actually one of my least favorite FE games of the ones I've played.

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08/04/11 6:25:00 PM
#12:


FF7

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NeoElfboy
08/04/11 6:28:00 PM
#13:


FFT. FE7 is also very good though certainly not the best FE or anything (due to Radiant Dawn). FFT beats them all with that class system though.

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BoshStrikesBack
08/04/11 8:47:00 PM
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FE7 is also very good though certainly not the best FE or anything (due to Radiant Dawn).

I will never be able to understand your fondness of FE10. Basically the rest of the Fire Emblem fandom agrees that it's one of the weakest games in the series with the worst plot. Is it the gameplay that appeals to you, or what?

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Jeff Zero
08/04/11 8:50:00 PM
#15:


FFT

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KimPilgrim
08/04/11 8:50:00 PM
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FFT

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ScareChan
08/04/11 8:51:00 PM
#17:


Love FFT but I played FE7 so many more times so I go FE7

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OmarsComin
08/04/11 9:00:00 PM
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fft
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UberPyro64
08/04/11 9:07:00 PM
#19:


FF7
Not a fan of Tactics styled gameplay.

EDIT: lol read title wrong. In that case I not a fan of either. Though I will go with Tactics slightly.

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Panthera
08/04/11 9:12:00 PM
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From: BoshStrikesBack | #014
Basically the rest of the Fire Emblem fandom agrees that it's one of the weakest games in the series with the worst plot.


No, not really. It's pretty popular. 8 and especially 2 are the ones people think are weaker (and Shadow Dragon to a smaller extent). And it's not like Fire Emblem plots are often anything to write home about.

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WiggumFan267
08/04/11 9:16:00 PM
#21:


I haven't played FFT, am I allowed to vote for FE7 anyway?

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BoshStrikesBack
08/05/11 1:17:00 AM
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^Fine by me!

No, not really. It's pretty popular. 8 and especially 2 are the ones people think are weaker (and Shadow Dragon to a smaller extent). And it's not like Fire Emblem plots are often anything to write home about.

Good point about 2 and 8, but 10 is trailing close behind. And FE not known for its plots? Maybe not exclusively, not when it actually tries, its plot can be great (ie FE4).

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Panthera
08/05/11 1:40:00 AM
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FE4's plot is somewhat overrated. I say that as someone who rates the game as his fifth or sixth favourite ever. It has an interesting setting more than anything else and excels at characterizing certain antagonists without needing to devote much time to it at all (and even there, FE5 helps a lot as far as Trabant goes), but the main story itself is pretty standard outside of the holy **** moments in the middle. Which admittedly are pretty nuts.

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Vlado
08/05/11 1:41:00 AM
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Uh... Tactics is better in every single aspect.

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cyan1001
08/05/11 1:47:00 AM
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fft
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YoboD
08/05/11 2:12:00 AM
#26:


FE7

Don't like Tactics.

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SpeedYoshi
08/05/11 2:29:00 AM
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From: WiggumFan267 | #021
I haven't played FFT, am I allowed to vote for FE7 anyway?




ill do this
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KingButz
08/05/11 7:37:00 AM
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fft

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muddersmilk
08/05/11 7:45:00 AM
#29:


FFT

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SubDeity
08/05/11 7:48:00 AM
#30:


FE7

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Kirby Driver Reborn
08/05/11 7:49:00 AM
#31:


FFT

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NeoElfboy
08/05/11 9:15:00 AM
#32:


No, not really. It's pretty popular. 8 and especially 2 are the ones people think are weaker (and Shadow Dragon to a smaller extent). And it's not like Fire Emblem plots are often anything to write home about.

Shadow Dragon is much less popular than 8, don't kid yourself. Also, 1-3 (the originals) are all unpopular as well. (Though, in general, for Japanese-only FEs except 4, 6, and 3DS, I'd suggest the number of English-speakers who have played it is perhaps too small a sample size to talk about the games' popularity.)

All FE plots suck (4-5 may suck less, don't really care), I actually thought FE10's was above average for the series but I'm not interested in discussing it. FE10 has clearly better gameplay than most of the series... in general, aside from the occasional step back, the gameplay in the main series has only gotten better! FE10, in particular, made you effectively use a large number of characters (instead of the usual 10-12, then ignore everyone else) in efficient play, had a skill system in which you actually had to make decisions ("do I move this skill to another PC and incur a CP cost, or not?" etc.), and in general had FE9's gameplay with a whole bunch of polish improvements: being able to see things like the WExp gauge, AS actually shown in the status screen, S/SS-rank weapons actually being in the game. The last bosses with their tricks and multitarget attacks were also way more epic than anything in any previous Fire Emblem (lol at FE6-9's final bosses) although still easy enough with a powerful team obviously.

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WarThaNemesis2
08/05/11 9:17:00 AM
#33:


FE7

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BoshStrikesBack
08/05/11 9:47:00 AM
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Uh... Tactics is better in every single aspect.

You're entitled to your opinion, but there are at least a couple areas where FE7 is indisputably better (and vice versa, certainly). Namely difficulty options, character balance, character development, a smoother difficulty curve, and a ranking system.

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NeoElfboy
08/07/11 1:33:00 AM
#35:


Namely difficulty options, character balance, character development, a smoother difficulty curve, and a ranking system.

Really? As a huge fan of both games I've camped out at both their GameFAQs message boards for years, and FFT generated more character (in a plot sense) discussion of the two by quite a ways. More subjectively (but I really don't see this generating much argument), I'd consider Delita a considerably better-developed character than anyone in FE7 by quite a lot.

Everything else I agree with, although all of this could be considered too minor for some voters, or otherwise irrelevant.

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Lopen
08/07/11 1:46:00 AM
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Delita (and Wiegraf, possibly) may be more developed than any one FE7 character, but FE7's are more developed on the whole. I also find character development overrated anyway-- FE7's characters are just more entertaining.

That being said, FFT is the better game. The gameplay is a lot better and the story is too. FE7 wins characters, built in replay value (replay value overall is kinda debatable just cause FFT's gameplay is just that much better and the job system is pretty open), and difficulty, but it's not enough.

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Panthera
08/07/11 2:35:00 AM
#37:


From: NeoElfboy | #032
FE10 has clearly better gameplay than most of the series... in general, aside from the occasional step back, the gameplay in the main series has only gotten better! FE10, in particular, made you effectively use a large number of characters (instead of the usual 10-12, then ignore everyone else) in efficient play, had a skill system in which you actually had to make decisions ("do I move this skill to another PC and incur a CP cost, or not?" etc.), and in general had FE9's gameplay with a whole bunch of polish improvements: being able to see things like the WExp gauge, AS actually shown in the status screen, S/SS-rank weapons actually being in the game.


I'd rather strongly dispute that. Actual chapter design plays a bigger role than anything else in good gameplay in this series, and while FE10 isn't bad in this area, it's still not the best. Also, hard difficulty makes some pretty silly changes. Plus the multi-part structure ends up making the game insanely schizophrenic in its difficulty and leaves a lot of characters pretty terrible by the end because they're simply never going to be able to get the levels to matter in part 4 without abuse.

The last bosses with their tricks and multitarget attacks were also way more epic than anything in any previous Fire Emblem (lol at FE6-9's final bosses) although still easy enough with a powerful team obviously.


Those multi-target map attacks are kind of silly, really. It's something that doesn't really fit in Fire Emblem. It was one of the ideas Gaiden had that should have been left dead. And really, only the dragon chapter is particularly cool. The one after that is pretty dull, and the final one is rather stupid. I much preferred the "defeat the other bosses to get at the real boss" routine when the other targets were actual bosses like in FE5 and FE7 instead of inanimate objects that just lazily reflect damage back at me.

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metroid composite
08/07/11 3:52:00 AM
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Two of the very, very few games I give a 10/10. That said...

FFT

Ask me 6 years ago and I might have given a different answer, but FFT is just the class system that keeps on giving.

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metroid composite
08/07/11 4:19:00 AM
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Lopen posted...
Delita (and Wiegraf, possibly) may be more developed than any one FE7 character, but FE7's are more developed on the whole. I also find character development overrated anyway-- FE7's characters are just more entertaining.

(minor SPOILERS)

FE7 is more of a Jane Austen novel. The characters are exaggerated stereotypes done right, there's lots of humor, and everyone gets married. FFT is more Hamlet; it focuses on a few tragic characters, humor is absent, and everybody dies.

If someone said they liked the plot of FE7, I'd look at them sideways. "Stop the pure-evil Nergal??" If someone said they loved the chemistry between the characters in FFT, I'd look at them sideways. The PCs don't get any more lines after they join you. Ramza/Delita/Algus/Miluda have some interesting chemistry but it's mostly in Chapter 1. Ramza/Alma have an amazing scene in Chapter 3. But those are the only scenes that jump out at me. (Delita/Ovelia scenes are interesting, but partially because we doubt Delita's sincerity).

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Lopen
08/07/11 9:07:00 AM
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I personally liked some of the Gafgarion/Agrias stuff too but yeah, pretty much, MC.

Also disliking the support mechanic should have nothing to do with enjoying the development itself. Then again I'm sure that's just "Ulti being Ulti focusing on something mostly irrelevant cause he wants an excuse to complain about it."

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HanOfTheNekos
08/07/11 9:25:00 AM
#42:


UltimaterializerX posted...
FE7 character development blows. "Stand next to a unit for ~40 turns for a support convo 3x" is an idiotic gameplay mechanic.

FE9 got that perfect. All you have to do is have them on the map together.



FE7 support mechanics are that way to make getting a higher ranking more difficult.



As for my vote, it goes to FE7. I bought FFT a few years ago, put it in my PS2, and was so excited to play it. After the first mission took like an hour due to gameplay slowness, I turned it off due to boredom.

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LeonhartFour
08/07/11 10:36:00 AM
#43:


Random answer:

Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time

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Dark Silvergun
08/07/11 10:54:00 AM
#44:


FE7 by far.

FFT was very lackluster for me, after 5 minutes, I was bored.

So:

FE7>>>>>>>>>>>>>FFT

But in reality:

SFIII>FE7>>>>>>>>>>>>>FFT

That is Shining Force III by the way.

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BoshStrikesBack
08/07/11 11:27:00 AM
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FE7 character development blows. "Stand next to a unit for ~40 turns for a support convo 3x" is an idiotic gameplay mechanic.

By your own admission, it's not the character development that blows, but rather the support conversation gameplay mechanic. It's an interesting system that has its pros and cons, but it was arguably handled better in FE8/9/10.

Delita (and Wiegraf, possibly) may be more developed than any one FE7 character, but FE7's are more developed on the whole. I also find character development overrated anyway-- FE7's characters are just more entertaining.

This. FFT has higher character "peaks," but FE7 has a much, much better cast all-around.

FE7 is more of a Jane Austen novel. The characters are exaggerated stereotypes done right, there's lots of humor, and everyone gets married. FFT is more Hamlet; it focuses on a few tragic characters, humor is absent, and everybody dies.

If someone said they liked the plot of FE7, I'd look at them sideways. "Stop the pure-evil Nergal??" If someone said they loved the chemistry between the characters in FFT, I'd look at them sideways. The PCs don't get any more lines after they join you. Ramza/Delita/Algus/Miluda have some interesting chemistry but it's mostly in Chapter 1. Ramza/Alma have an amazing scene in Chapter 3. But those are the only scenes that jump out at me. (Delita/Ovelia scenes are interesting, but partially because we doubt Delita's sincerity).


This is remarkably well-put. Saved.

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Panthera
08/07/11 1:39:00 PM
#46:


From: HanOfTheNekos | #042
FE7 support mechanics are that way to make getting a higher ranking more difficult.


But since supports are irrelevant for ranking, it just ends up making you completely ignore them except for the handful that are very quick and between units with similar move.

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LinkMarioSamus
08/07/11 4:01:00 PM
#47:


Should I get out of here if I don't want FFT spoilers?

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Not Dave
08/07/11 4:04:00 PM
#48:


fft. i don't like any of the fire emblems i've tried.

LinkMarioSamus posted...
Should I get out of here if I don't want FFT spoilers?

you should get out of here in general

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