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Zachnorn
07/17/11 2:51:00 AM
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Showing 41 noms out of 85 total. (48%)

Five
Harmful magic not waking up sleeping character is one of the worst RPG mechanics. (Nom: UltimaterializerX, Ultimaphazon mnkboy) - 979
By finding and killing Osama Bin Laden, Obama has now assured his reelection in 2012 (Nom: Ulti, whatisurnameplz, paerarru, DYL) - 980
Monster Rancher 2>Monster Hunter Tri (Noms: MSS, Doma, Ulti) - 981
The best Pokemon protagonist design is Red (Nom: Bosco, DYL, Ulti, GenesisSaga) - 982
The Hacking is Sony's fault for not taking better care of their users' information (Nom: Vlado, Ulti, GenesisSaga) - 983
+12 more...

Four
If one is completely honest, there has never been a 10/10 game (Nom: DomaDragoon, Ulti, KBM)
Cheating authority is ok, but cheating equals is not. (Nom: Colgreen, Ulti, pae, Doma)
Popeye with spinach could beat a decent percentage of superheroes in a fight (Nom: Kazbar, Ulti, Doma, pae)
"The Internet" only hates Family Guy because South Park told them to (Nom: Menji, Ulti, pae)
You would rather play your favorite video game than eat your favorite food. (Nom: Kazbar, Doma, Ulti, pae)
+5 more...

Three
Pro wrestling is fake (Nom: Ulti, speedpunk, Vlado) (Denom: FFDragon)
Oral>Anal (Nom: Gerbil, Ulti, speedpunk)
Sesame Street spoiler. Full nomination: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19449924/AoD/spoiler.txt (Nom: Gerbil, RayDyn, Doma)
Wii > N64 (Nom: speedpunk, LMS, Ulti, OctilIery, Evillordexdeath, paerarru) (Denom: VeryInsane, GenesisSaga, My Immortal, Palmer, GMUN)
2007 was one of the best years of gaming ever. (Nom: LMS, Doma, Ulti)
The advent of home consoles was the greatest milestone in the gaming industry. (Nom: LMS, Doma, Ulti)
Ethics are not always morally right (Nom: crazyisgood, DYL, Ulti)
Reaction images do not belong on Board 8 (Nom: Ulti, paerarru; Denom: mnkboy)
Superman would beat Batman in a no-holds-barred fight even with preparation (Nom: Anagram, Doma, Ulti)
My Little Pony Friendship is Magic is a better show than The Powerpuff Girls (Nom: Ulti)
+9 more...

Two
GameCube > N64 (Nom: LMS, speedpunk)
The Chappelle Show would be the Best Show on Comedy Central Today if it wasn't cancelled. (Nom: VeryInsane, Ulti)
Competitive Mario Party Tournaments would be hilarious (Nom: Gerbil, Ulti)
The Metroid series is going to go dormant for a good while again. (Nom: LMS, Doma)
Chronic will always be the AoD guy, no matter how long Zach hosts. (Nom: ctes, Ulti)
GameFAQs has horrible taste in games. (Nom: LMS, Ultima)
America will have another Black President before it has a Female President (Nom: VeryInsane, Ulti)
There's nothing wrong with using built-in cheat codes for single player games. (Nom: Doma, Ulti)
Sirloin Steak > Filet Mignon
Smell > Taste (Nom: pae, Ulti)
dcigs is the funniest YouTube comedian (Nom: Ulti)
The Watchmen movie ending> the graphic novel ending. (Nom: Ulti)
Final Fantasy VI and Chrono Trigger should've been more commercially successful than they actually were. (Nom: LMS, Ulti)
+18 more...

One
No matter what current-gen system it was announced for, a 3rd Chrono game would outsell DQX in North America. (Nom: Doma)
There needs to be a Dark-type Gym in Pokemon Gen 6. (Nom: Doma)
The events in Shaun of the Dead are more or less how a real zombie apocalypse would play out. (Nom: YAS)
The nomination limit should be raised to 6 because of Ulti's obsession (Nom: Rift)
You have agreed with the results of a majority of the first 1000 AoDs (Nom: Doma)
Dragon Quest VIII is the only amazing game in the series (Nom: Real Truth, Ulti) (Denom: Mortamor)
The StarCraft series did not deserve to get to the finals in G4's contest. (Nom: LMS)
Resident Evil 4 was the best GameCube game. (Nom: LMS)

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Zachnorn
07/17/11 2:52:00 AM
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This topic is brought to you by: MechaSolidSnake, DomaDragoon, UltimaterializerX, and LinkMarioSamus.

977 Results: Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End is underrated
Agree: 14
Disagree: 10

My view: I can't have a view on something I have not played. Abstain.

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1. Nominations must be open to debate. Use words like best, worst, or a variant thereof sparingly.
2. You are allowed to just agree or disagree without discussing the topic, but discussion of said topic is not only welcomed, it's allowed.
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Shoenin_Kakashi
07/17/11 2:52:00 AM
#3:


Agree

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Azp2k32
07/17/11 3:02:00 AM
#4:


Agree, close.

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LazyKenny
07/17/11 3:05:00 AM
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Agree, too obvious of an AoD.

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red13n
07/17/11 3:46:00 AM
#6:


Agree

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Psycho_Kenshin
07/17/11 4:31:00 AM
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Disagree. It's easily the best.

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Jeff Zero
07/17/11 4:35:00 AM
#8:


Disagree as there's no numerical basis in the statement. Had the title been worded "MGS4 is not one of the top ten games ever made" I might feel more inclined to concur but broadly speaking, the fact that it appears in my top twenty or so still warrants my disagreement.

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Zylo the wolf
07/17/11 4:36:00 AM
#9:


Disagree.

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Emporer_Kazbar
07/17/11 4:42:00 AM
#10:


Disagree. I wouldn't necessarily say it's the best (It's very close with every other MGS, IMO), but it is definitely one of them.

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Lightning Strikes
07/17/11 5:26:00 AM
#11:


All of my Agree

It's no secret that I really dislike this game. And I like the rest of the series!

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MarvelousGerbil
07/17/11 9:09:00 AM
#12:


Ugh, Dat Wording... close please.

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ffmasterjose
07/17/11 9:10:00 AM
#13:


This topic just reminded me of how much I need to play MGS4 and finish the damn story.

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BoshStrikesBack
07/17/11 9:12:00 AM
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Agree.

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LeonhartFour
07/17/11 10:56:00 AM
#15:


Close.

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neoneaper
07/17/11 10:57:00 AM
#16:


agree

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ZFS
07/17/11 11:01:00 AM
#17:


Agree.

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Iamdead7
07/17/11 11:15:00 AM
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Disagree, its in my top 10

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WiggumFan267
07/17/11 11:18:00 AM
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Agree, nothing wrong with the wording here.

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VeryInsane
07/17/11 11:20:00 AM
#20:


Agree.

Denom Gamecube > N64.

Because it seems kinda like that N64 is the worst console AOD a few AODs back.

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Articuno2001
07/17/11 11:21:00 AM
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close, wording is ambiguous

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_Harmonica_
07/17/11 11:28:00 AM
#22:


Agree

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OctilIery
07/17/11 11:49:00 AM
#23:


Agree, but it's still a really good game <3

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Demon HunterX
07/17/11 11:51:00 AM
#24:


disagree, its in my top 50. And out of all the games that ive played, top 50 is pretty damn high.

MGS4 is a top 5ish game this gen, but a lot of that is because this gen sucks.

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Vlado
07/17/11 12:25:00 PM
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Disagree. Easily best this generation, easily Top 10 of all time.

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XIII_rocks
07/17/11 12:37:00 PM
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D

the best game

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MoogleKupo141
07/17/11 12:40:00 PM
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disagree, definitely one of the 100,000 best games ever

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XIII_rocks
07/17/11 1:08:00 PM
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D

the best game

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Vlado
07/18/11 12:50:00 AM
#29:


I think you missed my nominations last time:

Pro wrestling is fake (Nom: Ulti, speedpunk, Vlado) (Denom: FFDragon)
Oral>Anal (Nom: Gerbil, Ulti, speedpunk)
Wii > N64 (Nom: speedpunk, LMS, Ulti, OctilIery, Evillordexdeath, paerarru) (Denom: VeryInsane, GenesisSaga, My Immortal, Palmer, GMUN)

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FL81
07/18/11 12:51:00 AM
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Agree

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Lopen
07/18/11 12:54:00 AM
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Agree. Worst of the series, and I probably wouldn't even say any of the non MGS2 entries are "one of the best"

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StealThisSheen
07/18/11 1:00:00 AM
#32:


Agree

Denom "Pro wrestling is fake."

Of course it is. That's a fact. But that has nothing to do with why people watch it. It's like doing an AoD for "Batman movies are fake."



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Lopen
07/18/11 1:03:00 AM
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Pro wrestling is real

People are fake

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Dark Young Link
07/18/11 1:15:00 AM
#34:


StealThisSheen posted...
Agree

Denom "Pro wrestling is fake."

Of course it is. That's a fact. But that has nothing to do with why people watch it. It's like doing an AoD for "Batman movies are fake."


Pro wrestling is scripted, not fake....

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KamikazePotato
07/18/11 1:22:00 AM
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D

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StealThisSheen
07/18/11 1:38:00 AM
#36:


Dark Young Link posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Agree

Denom "Pro wrestling is fake."

Of course it is. That's a fact. But that has nothing to do with why people watch it. It's like doing an AoD for "Batman movies are fake."

Pro wrestling is scripted, not fake....



It's fake in that they pull their punches, know how to deliver/take the moves to minimize damage, and generally aren't actually fighting. Yeah, the stuff still hurts, but that's generally what people mean by "fake."

But fair enough. I guess people DO actually debate it, even if it's just debating what is meant by "fake."



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LeonhartFour
07/18/11 6:55:00 AM
#37:


From: Vlado | #029
Wii > N64 (Nom: speedpunk, LMS, Ulti, OctilIery, Evillordexdeath, paerarru) (Denom: VeryInsane, GenesisSaga, My Immortal, Palmer, GMUN)


Denom.

We do not need this topic.

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metroid composite
07/18/11 7:49:00 AM
#38:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
disagree, definitely one of the 100,000 best games ever

You know, I think it's silly people want perfect quantification. Most people have a decent intuitive feel for what "one of the best games ever" means. It's probably in the range of their favourite 10 games to their favourite 100 games depending on how many games they've played.

I also don't think it's problematic that different people would have different numerical cutoffs. For instance, if you were to ask me if a game I'd played was "one of the best rhythm games ever", I'd probably be much stricter than 10 (because I've only played like...8 rhythm games, so maybe one or two would get my "one of the best" stamps).

In fact....

Nom:

When someone asks you if something is "one of the best games ever" you ask yourself "Is this one of my top X favourite games?" where X is somewhere in the range of 10 to 100.

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Cheeseboy90
07/18/11 7:55:00 AM
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"Pro wrestling is fake (Nom: Ulti, speedpunk, Vlado) (Denom: FFDragon)"

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BrettEagles
07/18/11 8:02:00 AM
#40:


Disagree

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whatisurnameplz
07/18/11 8:21:00 AM
#41:


Abstain.

Nominate:

Popeye with spinach could beat a decent percentage of superheroes in a fight (Nom: Kazbar, Ulti, Doma, pae)

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whatisurnameplz
07/18/11 8:22:00 AM
#42:


From: LeonhartFour | #037
Denom.

We do not need this topic.


This.

In the "N64 is Nintendo's worst console" topic, almost everyone said Disagree because of the Wii.

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Zachnorn
07/19/11 2:41:00 AM
#43:


up

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YoboD
07/19/11 2:45:00 AM
#44:


Agree

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Menji76
07/19/11 2:52:00 AM
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D

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MoogleKupo141
07/19/11 9:55:00 AM
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When someone asks you if something is "one of the best games ever" you ask yourself "Is this one of my top X favourite games?" where X is somewhere in the range of 10 to 100.


my x was 100,000

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XIII_rocks
07/19/11 9:58:00 AM
#47:


Cheeseboy90 posted...
"Pro wrestling is fake (Nom: Ulti, speedpunk, Vlado) (Denom: FFDragon)"

Isn't that fact? That's like giving us poll to agree or disagree with movies being fake.


Strikes me as being semantical really. Chris Jericho for example said wrestling isn't fake but "scripted". It's really up to you if you see a difference.

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WhiteLens
07/19/11 10:23:00 AM
#48:


A

Not even the best MGS game.

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PrinceKaro
07/19/11 10:25:00 AM
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A

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MrsFrisby
07/19/11 10:27:00 AM
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Agree.

And for myself I'll set this as "It's not a Top 25 game of all time."

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