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TsunamiXXVIII
07/07/11 1:48:00 PM
#1:


In light of my own failure to be present for an overtime in which my favorite game ever lost by just a single vote, I'm treating both games as though they won for the purposes of my voting. Also, while I'd like to move FFX ahead of SMW2 after the former beat the latter, I cannot in good conscience drop the latter below RE4, nor can I move the former ahead of it. I did, however, move SMG2 just ahead of Brawl, because in spite of my personal opinions, I have to admit that it's had a good schedule and has done well in this contest.

1. Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow (1)
2. Super Mario Bros. 3 (4)
3. Chrono Trigger (2)
4. Super Smash Bros. Melee (10)
5. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (7)
6. Super Mario 64 (3)
7. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (9)
8. Super Mario World (11)
9. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (8)
10. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (5)
11. Resident Evil 4 (12)
12. Final Fantasy X (15)
13. Paper Mario (13)
14. Final Fantasy IX (14)
15. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (16)
16. Star Fox 64 (20)
17. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (NR)
18. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (6)
19. Metal Gear Solid (17)
20. Final Fantasy VI (19)
21. Portal (21)
22. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (22)
23. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (NR)
24. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (23)
25. Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (NR)

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 1:48:00 PM
#2:


Rules:

--You must fill out a complete top 25 in order for your vote to be counted

--You must fill out your own top 25. If you simply copy/paste someone else's list, I will discount it

--Remember, this is an objective list of what you believe the top 25 strongest games in this contest are, not what your personal favorite games in the contest are, so please vote accordingly

--You may make changes to your list, but please do not edit/delete your posts. Please make a new post detailing the changes you made

--Voting will be open for 24 hours

This week’s top 25 in action

1. Chrono Trigger (1)
2. Super Mario 64 (7-1) – L, 25-32 vs. #12 Super Smash Bros. Melee
3. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (8-0) – W, 25-24 (OT) vs. Star Fox 64
4. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (7-1) – L, 27-30 vs. #6 Super Mario Bros. 3
5. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (8-0) – W, 31-9 vs. WWF No Mercy
6. Super Mario Bros. 3 (7-1) – W, 30-27 vs. #4 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
7. Resident Evil 4 (8-0) – W, 34-9 vs. Street Fighter Alpha 3
8. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (8-0) – W, 40-12 vs. Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride
9. Super Mario World (7-1) – W, 35-12 vs. Mega Man Legends
10. Super Metroid (7-1) – L, 23-26 vs. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
11. Paper Mario (8-0) – W, 23-17 vs. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
12. Super Smash Bros. Melee (6-2) – W, 32-25 vs. #2 Super Mario 64
13. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (7-1) – L, 21-27 vs. #20 Super Mario Galaxy 2
14. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (8-0) – W, 35-20 vs. Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald
15. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (7-1) – L, 27-28 vs. #17 Final Fantasy X
16. Metal Gear Solid (7-1) – W, 33-3 vs. Gunstar Heroes
17. Final Fantasy X (7-1) – W, 28-27 vs. #15 Super Mario World 2: Yoshi’s Island
18. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (6-2) – W, 33-20 vs. Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum
19. Metroid Prime (7-1) – W, 28-12 vs. Lunar: Silver Star Story
20. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (7-1) – W, 27-21 vs. #13 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
21. Super Mario Galaxy (7-1) – W, 33-16 vs. F-Zero GX
22. Final Fantasy VI (6-2) – W, 35-18 vs. Viewtiful Joe
23. Final Fantasy IX (7-1) – W, 31-18 vs. Super Mario Sunshine
24. Mega Man 2 (8-0) – W, 35-15 vs. Burnout 3: Takedown
25t. Final Fantasy VII (6-2) – W, 31-20 vs. Diablo II
25t. Tales of Symphonia (6-2) – L, 23-27 vs. Portal

Also receiving votes

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (8-0) – W, 30-23 vs. Suikoden II
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (6-2) – W, 27-17 vs. Shadow Hearts
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (6-2) – L, 26-28 vs. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Portal (7-1) – W, 27-23 vs. #25 Tales of Symphonia
Assassin's Creed II (7-1) – L, 22-28 vs. Final Fantasy VIII
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (7-1) – W, 38-13 vs. No More Heroes
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (8-0) – W, 29-13 vs. Suikoden V
Star Fox 64 (6-2) – L, 24-25 (OT) vs. #3 Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (6-2) – W, 29-10 vs. Gitaroo Man
SoulCalibur II (7-1) – W, 29-9 vs. Wild ARMs
Bioshock (7-1) – W, 24-15 vs. Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
Batman: Arkham Asylum (7-1) – W, 22-17 vs. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Fire Emblem 7 (7-1) – W, 26-20 vs. Resident Evil 2
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (3-5) – W, 31-17 vs. Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals
Pokemon Black/White (5-3) – W, 21-20 vs. Mega Man X
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (5-3) – W, 29-16 vs. Chrono Cross
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (4-4) – W, 28-26 vs. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (5-3) – L, 17-22 vs. Batman: Arkham Asylum

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th3l3fty
07/07/11 1:58:00 PM
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1. Chrono Trigger
2. Super Smash Bros. Melee
3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
4. Super Mario Bros. 3
5. Super Mario 64
6. Super Mario World
7. Resident Evil 4
8. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
9. Paper Mario
10. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
11. Metal Gear Solid
12. Metroid Prime
13. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
14. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
15. Super Mario Galaxy
16. Mega Man 2
17. Final Fantasy X
18. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
19. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
20. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations
21. Portal
22. Final Fantasy VII
23. Final Fantasy VI
24. Batman: Arkham Asylum
25. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

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TheKnightOfNee
07/07/11 2:02:00 PM
#4:


1. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Super Mario Bros 3
4. Metal Gear Solid 3
5. Super Mario 64
6. Resident Evil 4
7. Super Mario World
8. The Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
9. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
10. Super Smash Bros Melee
11. Phoenix Wright: Ace ATtorney Trials and Tribulations
12. Final Fantasy X
13. Paper Mario
14. Super Metroid
15. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
16. Super Smash Bros Brawl
17. Final Fantasy IX
18. Final Fantasy VII
19. Metal Gear Solid
20. Metroid Prime
21. Mega Man 2
22. Super Mario Galaxy 2
23. Bioshock
24. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
25. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island

I had Yoshi's Island in 25th last week too, but because everything around it lost and its loss was close to a much higher game, I guess it got to keep its spot.

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swirIdude
07/07/11 2:08:00 PM
#5:


TsunamiXXVIII posted...
In light of my own failure to be present for an overtime in which my favorite game ever lost by just a single vote, I'm treating both games as though they won for the purposes of my voting.

This may be the single dumbest thing I've ever heard used as justification.

Also, while I'd like to move FFX ahead of SMW2 after the former beat the latter, I cannot in good conscience drop the latter below RE4, nor can I move the former ahead of it.

...Okay, maybe it wasn't.

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 2:09:00 PM
#6:


Yoshi's Island would beat RE4, but FFX wouldn't, so even though FFX just beat Yoshi's Island, I have decided to change nothing and act like nothing happened.

Makes sense to me.

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VeryInsane
07/07/11 2:13:00 PM
#7:


1. Chrono Trigger
2. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
3. Legend of Zelda: A Link To The Past
4. Resident Evil 4
5. Metal Gear Solid 3
6. Super Mario Bros. 3
7. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
8. Super Smash Bros. Melee
9. Super Mario 64
10. Super Mario World
11. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations
12. Paper Mario
13. Final Fantasy X
14. Metal Gear Solid
15. Metroid Prime
16. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
17. Super Metroid
18. Super Mario Galaxy 2
19. Super Smash Bros Brawl
20. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
21. Mega Man 2
22. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
23. Portal
24. Final Fantasy VII
25. Bioshock

Honorable Mentions: DKC2, FE: POR, Super Mario Galaxy, FF9, FF6, MGS2

23-honorable mentions is getting tough, and while there were multiple upsets there weren't enough to move anybody up a lot.

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swirIdude
07/07/11 2:19:00 PM
#8:


RPI Vote


1. Chrono Trigger (1)
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (3)
3. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (4)
4. Super Mario Bros. 3 (7)
5. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (10)
6. Resident Evil 4 (6)
7. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (8)
8. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (9)
9. Super Mario 64 (2)
10. Super Mario Galaxy (13)
11. Paper Mario (11)
12. Metal Gear Solid (19)
13. Super Metroid (5)
14. Portal (23)
15. Final Fantasy IX (18)
16. Final Fantasy X (25)
17. Mega Man 2 (15)
18. Final Fantasy VI (24)
19. Batman: Arkham Asylum (NR)
20. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (NR)
21. Metroid Prime (NR)
22. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (12)
23. Super Smash Bros. Melee (NR)
24. Super Mario World (NR)
25. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (14)

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/07/11 2:23:00 PM
#9:


LeonhartFour posted...
Yoshi's Island would beat RE4, but FFX wouldn't, so even though FFX just beat Yoshi's Island, I have decided to change nothing and act like nothing happened.

Makes sense to me.

I don't vote based on who would beat who; I vote on body of work thus far. If Resident Evil 4 and Yoshi's Island met up, I would expect Resident Evil 4 to win, probably more handily than it would against FFX. That doesn't change the fact that SMW2's body of work thus far is more impressive.

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red sox 777
07/07/11 2:24:00 PM
#10:


The voters have spoken: Down with Nintendo!

1. Chrono Trigger
2. Super Mario Bros. 3
3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
4. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
5. Super Smash Bros. Melee
6. Resident Evil 4
7. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
8. Super Mario 64
9. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
10. Super Mario World
11. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
12. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations
13. Paper Mario
14. Final Fantasy X
15. Metal Gear Solid
16. Metroid Prime
17. Final Fantasy VI
18. Super Mario Galaxy 2
19. Super Mario Galaxy
20. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
21. Final Fantasy IX
22. Super Metroid
23. Final Fantasy VII
24. Star Fox 64
25. Portal

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 2:26:00 PM
#11:


From: TsunamiXXVIII | #009
If Resident Evil 4 and Yoshi's Island met up, I would expect Resident Evil 4 to win, probably more handily than it would against FFX. That doesn't change the fact that SMW2's body of work thus far is more impressive.


So why can't you vote FFX over RE4 then?

Especially considering it just beat that game whose body of work you consider impressive.

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/07/11 2:47:00 PM
#12:


LeonhartFour posted...
So why can't you vote FFX over RE4 then?

Especially considering it just beat that game whose body of work you consider impressive.


Well, obviously because its body of work isn't as strong. The SOS is...fairly similar, maybe slightly favoring FFX, but it's pretty close and RE4 is 8-0. Given the fact that Melee is now so high up on my ballot though...perhaps it was a misjudgment. Well, it's something to consider for next week, anyway. Next week FFX has a high-quality opponent, so I suppose they'll end up right next to each other, and I probably should give FFX the edge even though SMW2's opponent isn't that bad (even though I totally didn't give Chrono Trigger the edge even though it was right next to SMB3.)

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 2:49:00 PM
#13:


Voting Mario 3 over CT makes zero sense to me.

Like, Mario 3 has no advantages over CT unless you're voting solely based on what happened last week.

Heck, voting CT as anything but #1 with a bullet makes no sense to me.

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swirIdude
07/07/11 2:52:00 PM
#14:


Ok, hang on, let's ask the RPI about this.

SoS comparison
Super Mario Bros. 3 (0.9098)
Chrono Trigger (0.7792)
Super Smash Bros. Melee (0.6733)
Final Fantasy X (0.5708)
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (0.4753)
Resident Evil 4 (0.1829)

Of course, this isn't the only stat to think about. RE4 obliterated the weak foes in front of it so badly that considering it a Top 5 game is actually not a huge stretch.

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KCF0107
07/07/11 2:55:00 PM
#15:


NCAA Games II week by week schedules (including past results):

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvxHjoIdpiozdEtadTB0dEhmX3JxZkZfdzdhTHF6WGc&hl=en#gid=0

NCAA Games II Conference Breakdowns (including a quicker, faster look at individual games' opponents, wins, and losses):

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvxHjoIdpiozdDhfenhraVlvNlk3VkUzb0tFalMtYUE&hl=en#gid=0

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VeryInsane
07/07/11 3:04:00 PM
#16:


Beating ff9, sotn, and smw2 are bigger accomplishments then beating fe7 and majora's mask imo though.

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KCF0107
07/07/11 3:05:00 PM
#17:


1. Chrono Trigger
2. Pokemon R/B/Y
3. Resident Evil 4
4. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
5. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
6. Paper Mario
7. Mega Man 2
8. Phoenix Wright: Trials & Tribulations
9. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
10. Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
11. Super Mario Bros. 3
12. Super Mario World
13. Super Mario 64
14. Final Fantasy X
15. BioShock
16. Batman: Arkham Asylum
17. Super Mario Galaxy 2
18. Super Mario Galaxy
19. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
20. Portal
21. Metal Gear Solid
22. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
23. Super Metroid
24. Metroid Prime
25. Assassin's Creed II
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Janus5000
07/07/11 3:25:00 PM
#18:


1. Chrono Trigger
2. Link to the Past
3. Pokemon R/B/Y
4. Super Mario Bros. 3
5. Resident Evil 4
6. Ocarina of Time
7. Super Mario 64
8. Super Smash Bros. Melee
9. Super Mario World
10. Metal Gear Solid 3
11. Phoenix Wright: T&T
12. Final Fantasy X
13. Metal Gear Solid
14. Super Metroid
15. Metroid Prime
16. Paper Mario
17. Super Mario Galaxy 2
18. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
19. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
20. Portal
21. Final Fantasy IX
22. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
23. Super Mario Galaxy
24. Batman: Arkham Asylum
25. Final Fantasy VI

There were maybe 10 games I wanted to put in those last 5 spots. =/

* - In spirit

You should put that tag next to ACII as well - they have about equal reason to be on the top 25.

(Seriously, ACII over Yoshi's Island?)

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 3:26:00 PM
#19:


Hey, if we're going to put AC2 on the top 25, then let's get some FFVIII on there!

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Evillordexdeath
07/07/11 3:39:00 PM
#20:


1. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Super Mario 64
4. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
5. Super Mario Bros. 3
6. Resident Evil 4
7. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
8. Super Sash Bros. Melee
9. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
10. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
11. Metal Gear Solid
12. Super Mario World
13. Final Fantasy X
14. Phoenix Wright 3
15. Metroid Prime
16. Super Mario Galaxy 2
17. Final Fantasy VI
18. Portal
19. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
20. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
21. Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
22. Final Fantasy VII
23. Super Mario Galaxy
24. Paper Mario
25. Super Metroid

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 4:16:00 PM
#21:


Back to work, people

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Janus5000
07/07/11 4:31:00 PM
#22:


Hmmm, I noticed:

Chrono Trigger got 57.16% on SOTN.
Mario Kart 64 got 53.45% on SOTN.
Aria of Sorrow got 50.94% on Mario Kart 64.
Resident Evil 4 got 79.49% on Aria of Sorrow.

So without doing too much math Resident Evil 4 is expected to triple Chrono Trigger. Book it.

...And don't anyone dare bring up their matches against Wind Waker.

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 4:31:00 PM
#23:


From: Janus5000 | #022
...And don't anyone dare bring up their matches against Wind Waker.


Yeah, no need to confuse things. Best to keep it simple.

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PrinceKaro
07/07/11 4:43:00 PM
#24:


1. Chrono Trigger
2. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
4. Super Mario Bros. 3
5. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
6. Super Mario 64
7. Super Mario World
8. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
9. Resident Evil 4
10. Super Smash Bros. Melee
11. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations
12. Super Mario Galaxy 2
13. Final Fantasy IX
14. Final Fantasy X
15. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
16. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
17. Super Metroid
18. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
19. Final Fantasy VII
20. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
21. Paper Mario
22. Super Mario Galaxy
23. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
24. Metal Gear Solid
25. Star Fox 64

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 4:44:00 PM
#25:


Aria > MK64 was the most recent result.

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/07/11 4:59:00 PM
#26:


Janus5000 posted...
Hmmm, I noticed:

Chrono Trigger got 57.16% on SOTN.
Mario Kart 64 got 53.45% on SOTN.
Aria of Sorrow got 50.94% on Mario Kart 64.
Resident Evil 4 got 79.49% on Aria of Sorrow.

So without doing too much math Resident Evil 4 is expected to triple Chrono Trigger. Book it.

...And don't anyone dare bring up their matches against Wind Waker.


Well, that depends: Which came first? Because everyone knows that X-Stats only pay attention to the most recent results.

LeonhartFour posted...
Heck, voting CT as anything but #1 with a bullet makes no sense to me.

CT beat SMB3, which is an incredibly big win, but...the only other things on that schedule that remotely appear to resemble quality wins are Wind Waker and Symphony of the Night, the latter of which is 4-4. Er...wait, Mother 3 is 6-2 as well? I didn't realize...hmm. Well, I still think it needs more quality opponents, especially seeing how Uncharted 1 is currently alone in 5th place in the Smash Trigger Conference with a 3-5 record. That's...really pathetic. Most conferences have a tie for 1st place or the second-place game is just 1 back. Chrono Trigger has a 3-game lead just 8 weeks into the season. It's like, I'm not even sure who you could compare that to, a game being that good in a conference that bad.

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 5:30:00 PM
#27:


Up we go.

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swirIdude
07/07/11 7:12:00 PM
#28:


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KCF0107
07/07/11 7:15:00 PM
#29:


TsunamiXXVIII posted...
"LOL MVP Baseball 2005 Memorial Honorary Top 25 Game"

I don't know how I should feel about this remark

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vcharon
07/07/11 7:37:00 PM
#30:


1. Chrono Trigger (8-0)
2. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (8-0)
3. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (8-0)
4. Resident Evil 4 (8-0)
5. Super Mario Bros. 3 (7-1)
6. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (8-0)
7. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (7-1)
8. Super Mario 64 (7-1)
9. Super Mario World (7-1)
10. Super Smash Bros. Melee (6-2)
11. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (8-0)
12. Final Fantasy X (7-1)
13. Paper Mario (8-0)
14. Metal Gear Solid (7-1)
15. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (7-1)
16. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (6-2)
17. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (7-1)
18. Metroid Prime (7-1)
19. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (7-1)
20. Super Mario Galaxy (7-1)
21. Super Metroid (7-1)
22. Final Fantasy VI (6-2)
23. Final Fantasy VII (6-2)
24. Final Fantasy IX (7-1)
25. Mega Man 2 (8-0)

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 8:49:00 PM
#31:


Go.

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paulg235
07/07/11 9:14:00 PM
#32:


1. Chrono Trigger (1)
2. Resident Evil 4 (8-0) – W, 34-9 vs. Street Fighter Alpha 3
3. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (8-0) – W, 31-9 vs. WWF No Mercy
4. 8. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (8-0) – W, 40-12 vs. Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride
5. Super Mario Bros. 3 (7-1) – W, 30-27 vs. #4 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
6. Super Mario World (7-1) – W, 35-12 vs. Mega Man Legends
7. Metal Gear Solid (7-1) – W, 33-3 vs. Gunstar Heroes
8. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (7-1) – L, 27-30 vs. #6 Super Mario Bros. 3
9. Super Mario 64 (7-1) – L, 25-32 vs. #12 Super Smash Bros. Melee
10. Super Smash Bros. Melee (6-2) – W, 32-25 vs. #2 Super Mario 64
11. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (7-1) – W, 27-21 vs. #13 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
12. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (8-0) – W, 25-24 (OT) vs. Star Fox 64
13. Paper Mario (8-0) – W, 23-17 vs. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
14. Metroid Prime (7-1) – W, 28-12 vs. Lunar: Silver Star Story
15. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (8-0) – W, 35-20 vs. Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald
16. Portal (7-1) – W, 27-23 vs. #25 Tales of Symphonia
17. Super Metroid (7-1) – L, 23-26 vs. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
18. Final Fantasy X (7-1) – W, 28-27 vs. #15 Super Mario World 2: Yoshi’s Island
19. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (7-1) – L, 27-28 vs. #17 Final Fantasy X
20. Super Mario Galaxy (7-1) – W, 33-16 vs. F-Zero GX
21. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (6-2) – W, 33-20 vs. Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum
22. Final Fantasy IX (7-1) – W, 31-18 vs. Super Mario Sunshine
23. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (7-1) – L, 21-27 vs. #20 Super Mario Galaxy 2
24. Mega Man 2 (8-0) – W, 35-15 vs. Burnout 3: Takedown
25. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (8-0) – W, 30-23 vs. Suikoden II

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 9:18:00 PM
#33:


From: TsunamiXXVIII | #024
CT beat SMB3, which is an incredibly big win, but...the only other things on that schedule that remotely appear to resemble quality wins are Wind Waker and Symphony of the Night, the latter of which is 4-4. Er...wait, Mother 3 is 6-2 as well? I didn't realize...hmm. Well, I still think it needs more quality opponents, especially seeing how Uncharted 1 is currently alone in 5th place in the Smash Trigger Conference with a 3-5 record. That's...really pathetic. Most conferences have a tie for 1st place or the second-place game is just 1 back. Chrono Trigger has a 3-game lead just 8 weeks into the season. It's like, I'm not even sure who you could compare that to, a game being that good in a conference that bad.


...Why does this even matter? Chrono Trigger hasn't played a single conference game yet. You're not rewarding R/B/Y or PW1 for being in the hardest conference even though they haven't played anyone in it yet, are you?

And it's not like CT/Mario 3 was even a close match to begin with. CT won that one easily. I just think it's weird that people are willing to completely discount DIRECT MATCH RESULTS in favor of "resumes." By voting Mario 3 > CT, you're basically saying you think Mario 3 would win a rematch. Why? Because it's faced tougher games since CT stomped it?

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Da_J
07/07/11 9:35:00 PM
#34:


1. Chrono Trigger
2. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
3. Super Mario Bros. 3
4. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
5. Resident Evil 4
6. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
7. Super Mario World
8. Super Smash Bros. Melee
9. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
10. Super Mario 64
11. Paper Mario
12. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations
13. Final Fantasy X
14. Metal Gear Solid
15. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
16. Super Mario Galaxy 2
17. Metroid Prime
18. Super Mario Galaxy
19. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
20. Super Metroid
21. Final Fantasy VI
22. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
23. Mega Man 2
24. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
25. Portal

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 10:40:00 PM
#35:


Rise.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/07/11 11:24:00 PM
#36:


1) Chrono Trigger
2) Resident Evil 4
3) Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
4) Metal Gear Solid
5) Super Smash Bros. Melee
6) Final Fantasy VI
7) Super Mario Galaxy 2
8) Super Mario 64
9) Super Mario Galaxy
10) Super Mario Bros. 3
10) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
11) Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
12) Super Metroid
13) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
14) Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
15) Star Fox 64
16) Metroid Prime
17) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
18) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
19) Portal
20) Tales of Symphonia
21) Final Fantasy X
22) Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
23) Super Smash Bros. Brawl
24) Batman: Arkham Asylum

Feel free to discount this since I basically came up with random stuff right on the spot.

I accidentally forgot Mario 3 when I posted this so remember that from Ocarina of Time onward is #11-25, not #10-24.

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 11:25:00 PM
#37:


From: LinkMarioSamus | #036
Feel free to discount this since I basically came up with random stuff right on the spot.

I accidentally forgot Mario 3 when I posted this so remember that from Ocarina of Time onward is #11-25, not #10-24.


You can't put some thought into your list?

And you can't correct your numbering before you post it?

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swirIdude
07/07/11 11:29:00 PM
#38:


Well you did tell people not to edit/delete their posts...

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 11:30:00 PM
#39:


He realized his error BEFORE he even posted the list!

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swirIdude
07/07/11 11:32:00 PM
#40:


No, the "error" here was posting a list he put no thought into.

But, hey, at least he was honest about it. Some other voters don't admit it when they do this!

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LinkMarioSamus
07/07/11 11:32:00 PM
#41:


LeonhartFour posted...
From: LinkMarioSamus | #036
Feel free to discount this since I basically came up with random stuff right on the spot.

I accidentally forgot Mario 3 when I posted this so remember that from Ocarina of Time onward is #11-25, not #10-24.
You can't put some thought into your list?

And you can't correct your numbering before you post it?


Well, I typed in the top 25, realized that I forgot Mario 3, then edited everything back and decided to write a notification instead of actually re-numbering everything myself.

And yes, I'm perfectly willing to accept that the MGS series got some random boost this week.

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LeonhartFour
07/07/11 11:35:00 PM
#42:


From: LinkMarioSamus | #041
Well, I typed in the top 25, realized that I forgot Mario 3, then edited everything back and decided to write a notification instead of actually re-numbering everything myself.


But you realized it BEFORE YOU EVEN ENTERED THE POST

Why didn't you correct it when you realized the mistake

And yes, I'm perfectly willing to accept that the MGS series got some random boost this week.


Please, put some more thought into your list.

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Janus5000
07/07/11 11:38:00 PM
#43:


I especially like how present Super Mario World and Phoenix Wright are on that list.

Oh, and Paper Mario too.

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th3l3fty
07/07/11 11:55:00 PM
#44:


LMS just put the rank in rankings!

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swirIdude
07/08/11 12:09:00 AM
#46:


LeonhartFour posted...
From: Janus5000 | #043
Oh, and Paper Mario too.
Remember: Letting San Andreas put up a good performance is just as good as losing!


Even though San Andreas has 3 more wins than GTAIV.

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LeonhartFour
07/08/11 1:30:00 AM
#47:


Irrelevant!

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07/08/11 3:33:00 AM
#48:


1. Chrono Trigger
2. Link to the Past
3. Mario 3
4. Pokemon RBY
5. Super Mario 64
6. Mario World
7. Ocarina of Time
7. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (8-0) – W, 35-20 vs. Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald
8. Resident Evil 4
9. MGS3
10. Super Smash Bros. Melee (6-2) – W, 32-25 vs. #2 Super Mario 64
11. Paper Mario (8-0) – W, 23-17 vs. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
12. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (6-2) – W, 33-20 vs. Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum
13. Metal Gear Solid (7-1) – W, 33-3 vs. Gunstar Heroes
14. Metroid Prime (7-1) – W, 28-12 vs. Lunar: Silver Star Story
15. Final Fantasy X
16. Super Mario Galaxy 2
17. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
18. Super Mario Galaxy
19. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
20. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
21. Super Metroid
22. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (7-1)
23. Batman: Arkham Asylum
24. Final Fantasy VI
25. Twilight Princess

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LinkMarioSamus
07/08/11 3:39:00 AM
#49:


LeonhartFour posted...
From: Janus5000 | #043
Oh, and Paper Mario too.
Remember: Letting San Andreas put up a good performance is just as good as losing!


I seriously stand by this. Struggling to break 55% on a GTA was easily the worst thing all week. At least the Sons of Liberty debacle made sense because MGS seemed on a huge high, not to mention LttP and Super Metroid disappointing the week prior.

I mean seriously, why the heck were people voting for SONIC ADVENTURE over Super Metroid???

Although perhaps I should mention that I would consider voting for Other M over Sonic Adventure.

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/08/11 5:27:00 AM
#50:


LeonhartFour posted...
From: TsunamiXXVIII | #024
CT beat SMB3, which is an incredibly big win, but...the only other things on that schedule that remotely appear to resemble quality wins are Wind Waker and Symphony of the Night, the latter of which is 4-4. Er...wait, Mother 3 is 6-2 as well? I didn't realize...hmm. Well, I still think it needs more quality opponents, especially seeing how Uncharted 1 is currently alone in 5th place in the Smash Trigger Conference with a 3-5 record. That's...really pathetic. Most conferences have a tie for 1st place or the second-place game is just 1 back. Chrono Trigger has a 3-game lead just 8 weeks into the season. It's like, I'm not even sure who you could compare that to, a game being that good in a conference that bad.
...Why does this even matter? Chrono Trigger hasn't played a single conference game yet. You're not rewarding R/B/Y or PW1 for being in the hardest conference even though they haven't played anyone in it yet, are you?

And it's not like CT/Mario 3 was even a close match to begin with. CT won that one easily. I just think it's weird that people are willing to completely discount DIRECT MATCH RESULTS in favor of "resumes." By voting Mario 3 > CT, you're basically saying you think Mario 3 would win a rematch. Why? Because it's faced tougher games since CT stomped it?

No, what I meant was that it needs to get more quality opponents now, because it won't be getting them once conference play starts.

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LeonhartFour
07/08/11 7:55:00 AM
#51:


From: LinkMarioSamus | #049
I seriously stand by this.


And you're wrong. So be quiet.

From: TsunamiXXVIII | #050
No, what I meant was that it needs to get more quality opponents now, because it won't be getting them once conference play starts.


It doesn't really matter because CT will presumably have proved all it needs to prove by that point.

And honestly, unless CT outright loses or begins struggling to win matches it should win, there's no reason to vote Mario 3 ahead of it. "Resume voting" my foot

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