This AoD brought to you by Ulti, Vlado, Emporer_Kazbar, pae, and possibly others from before I began to keep track of nominators.
This AoD was also denominated twice, by VeryInsane and The Real Truth. There were other denominations, but this was before I kept track of denominators.
972 Results: Super Metroid, Final Fantasy VI, or Chrono Trigger was best SNES game Agree: 30 Disagree: 27
My view: To me, there are two types of opinions: regular and personal opinions. Regular opinions would be most opinions, whether it is on politics, religion, taste in games/music/movies/art/etc., and general likes and dislikes. Professional opinions are things that professionals give to assess some kind of situation. Professional opinions can be wrong (for example, a doctor misdiagnosing someone, thus having a wrong opinion of the situation), but regular opinions cannot (such as liking/disliking certain video games). Solely because of professional opinions, I have to agree.
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Five The original Metal Gear Solid was the best game on the PlayStation. (Nom: Doma, Ulti, LMS) - 974 DENOMMED (was Wii > N64) (dropped if not renommed by AoD 975) - 975 The end of rule #2 should read: "...not only allowed, it's welcomed." Instead of "...not only welcomed, it's allowed" (Nom: Sspectre, Kazbar, 521, Ulti) - 976 Mario Kart 3DS should have a cup consisting entirely of Rainbow Road courses. (Nom: DomaDragoon, speedpunk, 521, Ulti, YetAnothr) - 977 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End is underrated (Nom: Bosco, KBM, Doma, Ulti, mnkboy907) - 978 Metal Gear Solid 4 is not one of the best games ever. (Noms: MSS, Doma, Ulti, LMS) - 979 Harmful magic not waking up sleeping character is one of the worst RPG mechanics. (Nom: UltimaterializerX, Ultimaphazon mnkboy) - 980 By finding and killing Osama Bin Laden, Obama has now assured his reelection in 2012 (Nom: Ulti, whatisurnameplz, paerarru, DYL) - 981 +15 more...
Four Popeye with spinach could beat a decent percentage of superheroes in a fight (Nom: Kazbar, Ulti, Doma, pae) "The Internet" only hates Family Guy because South Park told them to (Nom: Menji, Ulti, pae) You would rather play your favorite video game than eat your favorite food. (Nom: Kazbar, Doma, Ulti, pae) Samus' personality in Other M is underrated. (Nom: Ulti, LMS) Chrono Trigger > any Final Fantasy (Nom: LMS, Ulti, Ultima) when searching for games on Gamefaqs, having to browse through pages for a certain letter for a certain console is stupid. (Nom: Doma, Ulti) Facebook will go the way of Myspace in five years (Nom: Ulti, paerarru) You would have been ok with Kh2 marking the end of the Kh series. (Nom: YetAnothrShadow, DYL, GenesisSaga, Ulti)
Three Cheating authority is ok, but cheating equals is not. (Nom: Colgreen, Ulti, pae) 2007 was one of the best years of gaming ever. (Nom: LMS, Doma, Ulti) Tom Hanks is the GOAT actor. (Nom: Pondos, Doma, Ulti) Despite the smaller overall number of Pokemon, RBY were the most difficult games to "Catch them all" in. (Nom: DomaDragoon, 521, Ulti) (Denom: whatisurnameplz) Reaction images do not belong on Board 8 (Nom: Ulti, paerarru; Denom: mnkboy) Rocket Power was a good cartoon show (Nom: Ulti) Nonsensical nominations such as "Apples > Jet Engines" have no point (Nom: Ulti) My Little Pony Friendship is Magic is a better show than The Powerpuff Girls (Nom: Ulti) +10 more...
Two Chronic will always be the AoD guy, no matter how long Zach hosts. (Nom: ctes, Ulti) Dragon Quest VIII is the only amazing game in the series (Nom: Real Truth, Ulti) GameFAQs has horrible taste in games. (Nom: LMS, Ultima) America will have another Black President before it has a Female President (Nom: VeryInsane, Ulti) On average, Roger Moore had the best Bond Girls. (Nom: Doma, pae) None of your personal top 10 games of all time have ever been on a Sega console. (Nom: Doma, pae) In a fight with no weapons, an astronaut would beat a caveman (Nom: Anagram, RayDyn) You would rather see a Final Fantasy crossover RPG than a 3rd Dissidia game. (Nom: Doma, Ulti) Sesame Street spoiler. Full nomination: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-/59603519/662425087 (Nom: Gerbil, RayDyn) +21 more...
One The StarCraft series did not deserve to get to the finals in G4's contest. (Nom: LMS) The Metroid series is going to go dormant for a good while again. (Nom: LMS) Oral>Anal (Nom: Gerbil) Competitive Mario Party Tournaments would be hilarious (Nom: Gerbil) The Chappelle Show would be the Best Show on Comedy Central Today if it wasn't cancelled. (Nom: VeryInsane) Resident Evil 4 was the best GameCube game. (Nom: LMS) GameCube > N64 (Nom: LMS) +1 more...
They generally aren't, but look around enough and you will find many instances where yes, they are. Partly because, believe it or not, opinions are built on facts!
Chrono1219 posted... opinions are not based on facts. (at least not always). They are based on impression, which might or might not be based on facts.
No, they almost always are based on facts, if not always - They are your response to facts. What you like or don't like about something is your view on factual portions of it, forming an opinion.
You can disagree with an opinion, and it can be your opinion that someone else's opinion is wrong. If that's what the title means then yeah, agree. But someone's opinion can't be wrong on its own, because that's just the way they feel about something.
Bigwig_rah posted... You can disagree with an opinion, and it can be your opinion that someone else's opinion is wrong. If that's what the title means then yeah, agree. But someone's opinion can't be wrong on its own, because that's just the way they feel about something.
That's fine when you're going through everyday opinions. But when you get into broader, often more biased opinions, it gets a lot less clear, and it becomes very obvious that opinions can be wrong.
It also comes into play when comparing things. Take musical talent, for instance - an obviously very, very highly opinionated subject, with many factors going into it. You could say Elton John is more talented than Freddie Mercury, and it would be controversial but not wrong. You could even say Britney Spears or Justin Timberlake are more talented, and it would be controversial, and quite possibly stupid, but not wrong.
But when you start taking it further, it becomes blatantly wrong - you won't usually encounter these instances, but they DO exist.
WazzupGenius00 posted... "Sonic 2006 is a good game" is an opinion.
Now...that I'm not sure about. There are objective bases for qualifying a game, and more than one person will tell you they recognize a game as objectively bad that they really like.
It's because of this, and that I'm assuming we're separating "opinion" and "belief" for the purposes of this topic, that I'm going to disagree.
Now...that I'm not sure about. There are objective bases for qualifying a game, and more than one person will tell you they recognize a game as objectively bad that they really like.
Yes and no. There are objective bases for quality portions of a game; where the opinion comes in is what matters more?
Characters or plot? Graphics or design? Controls or mechanics?
While you can obviously say one game controls more fluidly than another(in some instances at least), it's entirely opinion how much that matters.
From: OctilIery | #054 No, they almost always are based on facts, if not always - They are your response to facts. What you like or don't like about something is your view on factual portions of it, forming an opinion.
Teenage girl sees a guy at a party. They connect eyes for 1.3 pregnant seconds. In this time she manages to draw up a detailed plan where the 2 of them are married with children because she automatically thinks that he is Mr. right.
Old corporate employer sees applicant has a tattoo. He instantly makes a judgement call that the person is rebellious.
Person A likes fighting games, person B does not like fighting games.
Or even more extreme
An African Tribe believes the act of cannibalism is okay (it is part of their belief system). A psychopath might have low opinion on human life. (as part of his, or lack of, a moral compass)
OctilIery posted... Now...that I'm not sure about. There are objective bases for qualifying a game, and more than one person will tell you they recognize a game as objectively bad that they really like.
Yes and no. There are objective bases for quality portions of a game; where the opinion comes in is what matters more?
Characters or plot? Graphics or design? Controls or mechanics?
While you can obviously say one game controls more fluidly than another(in some instances at least), it's entirely opinion how much that matters.
I disagree with this and I hate that there's no way to do it substantially without writing an essay.
From: Chrono1219 | #030 Teenage girl sees a guy at a party. They connect eyes for 1.3 pregnant seconds. In this time she manages to draw up a detailed plan where the 2 of them are married with children because she automatically thinks that he is Mr. right.
Old corporate employer sees applicant has a tattoo. He instantly makes a judgement call that the person is rebellious.
Person A likes fighting games, person B does not like fighting games.
Or even more extreme
An African Tribe believes the act of cannibalism is okay (it is part of their belief system). A psychopath might have low opinion on human life. (as part of his, or lack of, a moral compass)
Those are all interpretations of facts. Only whether they're the correct interpretation is up to debate.
The facts are:
The girl and the guy locked eyes The applicant has a tattoo Fighting games play in a certain way The fact that the belief system exists in the first place
The psychopath is the only tough one here. It's more likely than not there is a basis somewhere grounded in fact... although the fact could be wrong, because well, it's a psychopath. That's not really important.
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From: Lopen | #153 Those are all interpretations of facts. Only whether they're the correct interpretation is up to debate.
The facts are:
The girl and the guy locked eyes The applicant has a tattoo Fighting games play in a certain way The fact that the belief system exists in the first place
The psychopath is the only tough one here. It's more likely than not there is a basis somewhere grounded in fact... although the fact could be wrong, because well, it's a psychopath. That's not really important.
1. Only her opinion on the guy is not based on that they locked eyes or not, only initiated by it. If this never happened she would have no opinion.
2. This one I'll give you. Because you can technically backtrack all the way to society here. As in it is a fact that society tells him that tattoo people are rebels, so the fact that he has a tattoo leads to the opinion that he is a rebel.
3. I don't even know how to combat this one since I'm not sure the argument being made. Its one thing to say you don't like something because you're bad at them, but to say you like or don't like something because of your OPINION of what is fun or not a fact, then it gets kind of silly.
For instance
Say I like the color Blue but I don't like the color Green. You could say "Fact Blue and Green are different" But this only works if I dislike Green because it's not Blue. The problem is I can not reverse the argument to make a False statement because it eliminates one of the subjects.
4. I'll give this one to you too. Even if you peel back the onion to the start, I can't think of a reason why they would start cannibalism that is not based on some form of fact. Like "this person ate it and did not die" or something would still be based on a fact.
5. Here is. "I have a moral belief that..." Morals, while might or might not be based in fact, have too many complex parts for me to really go into for the argument.
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I'm in a bad mood. My opinion on life is that it sucks. I'm in a good mood. My opinion on life is that it does not suck as much.
These are emotionally based and not fact based. Unless you really want to say "It's a fact that your moods are different" which really does not work sine I am not making an opinion on my mood.
No see the problem here is that you're assuming that the facts have to logically lead to the opinion. That's not the correct way of seeing it. The girl and the guy locked eyes, that's a fact. She interprets this to mean all this crap that is probably only tangentially related to the fact that the eyes met, but the eyes met so yeah. Video games play in a certain way that someone may or may not like. It's not as if a video game is going to suddenly change the way it controls or the story if a different person plays it.
Existence itself is a fact. Blue exists as a certain shade on the color spectrum. You like that area on the spectrum, for whatever reason, it's irrelevant. The fact that blue looks like that to you is a fact you're basing your opinion on.
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No because the fact that they locked eyes is just a trigger. She would get the same response if she was just watching him (stalking?) from his school desk or something. It is an emotional based opinion more than anything else.
For the color one. There are no steps being made. It's just saying "Fact I Like Blue" which is just saying your opinion is a fact, but the opinion is not based on anything but itself.
To be clear, you can consistently argue that all opinions are subjective, but this requires some pretty radical claims. For example, try accepting the following: "It's my opinion that A is both A and not-A (in other words, lol law of non-contradiction)."
Basically, opinions about things can be wrong so long as there's some external reality corresponding to them.
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You can't say that for sure, but if you wanna go that way, then okay, then it's the fact that the boy has a chiseled jaw, is 6'1", has a 20 BMI, and haircut x, or any other amount of triggers.
Properties of an object are facts. Blue looks like what blue looks like. That's a fact. If you want to quantify that further, it's because blue's wavelength is 490–450 nm on the visible light spectrum. The way blue looks like is not open to interpretation unless you're color blind, so it's a fact. You choose to like it because it looks like this... why? Who knows. I'm not saying it's justified, just that the opinion is based on fact.
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BoshStrikesBack posted... To be clear, you can consistently argue that all opinions are subjective, but this requires some pretty radical claims. For example, try accepting the following: "It's my opinion that A is both A and not-A (in other words, lol law of non-contradiction)."
Basically, opinions about things can be wrong so long as there's some external reality corresponding to them.
Again, it's pretty clear to me that this topic separates opinion from belief.
From: BoshStrikesBack | #201 To be clear, you can consistently argue that all opinions are subjective, but this requires some pretty radical claims. For example, try accepting the following: "It's my opinion that A is both A and not-A (in other words, lol law of non-contradiction)."
Basically, opinions about things can be wrong so long as there's some external reality corresponding to them.
Technically by laws of logic all I have to do is prove one instance. But it's hard to separate opinions based on morals or emotions from subjectivism.
From: BoshStrikesBack | #042 The way blue looks like is not open to interpretation unless you're color blind, so it's a fact.
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Man you know what I meant. It's a damn visible light wavelength. There's nothing subjective about saying something is blue unless your eyes are screwed up, in which case that's just another fact you throw in.
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As a person who has studied lasers and light in general, yeah, there is some small variance in the way people perceive color (for instance, some people can see slightly past red on the electromagnetic spectrum). What this has to do with the reality of the situation that when you point at something blue it is blue is a bit of a mystery though. You don't generally hear people saying 'no the sky is actually green!'.
Anyway, everything we can observe about this universe is ultimately subjective. The opinions formed by the scientific community is never claimed to be 100% accurate because there are inherent limitations to the depth we can probe the universe. That the 'fact' that the sun revolved around the earth changed to the earth revolving around the sun is a prime example of such a shift in belief based on accumulated evidence. So, if 'facts' can be wrong, opinions damn sure can.
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