Board 8 > Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald were the best Pokemon games

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I will say that HG/SS did do a good job of fleshing Kanto out again. They brought back the Seafoam Islands, Viridian Forest, and Cerulean Cave.

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Never played DPP, but...

GSC > BW > RBY > RSE

The last three are pretty close to each other, but GSC has to be the best.

Iamdead7 posted...
BW > HGSS > FRLG > DPP > RSE

I only count the remakes because why bother with old ones when the new is better?

FRLG > RBY? Say what?

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I'd rather have one big great world than two average ones with issues.

One of the downsides to Kanto is that they put a bunch of Pokemon over there that end up being completely irrelevant by the time you get over there. Which wouldn't be a problem, except they put NEW Pokemon like Houndoor and Murkrow exclusively in Kanto.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
I'd rather have one big great world than two average ones with issues.

One of the downsides to Kanto is that they put a bunch of Pokemon over there that end up being completely irrelevant by the time you get over there. Which wouldn't be a problem, except they put NEW Pokemon like Houndoor and Murkrow exclusively in Kanto.

This is actually a great point.

One thing about GSC is that I could never shake the feeling that they were trying to piggyback off RBY. Older Pokemon weren't just there alongside the new, they were prominent. Half of the gym leaders in Johto didn't even use new Pokemon. Off the top of my head, Falkner, Bugsy, Morty and Chuck never used a single new Pokemon, despite the fact that we had new Pokemon of each of their types. New Pokemon like Sneasel, Houndour, and Murkrow were shoved into Kanto for absolutely no reason. The first few routes of the game had mostly old Pokemon. I could go on all day about it.

RSE tried to distance itself from that and make the new Pokemon more important. The majority of Pokemon you meet in Hoenn originated there. Only a few older Pokemon were kept, and the experience felt new. And then people **** on it for daring to be different.

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From: TheCodeisBosco | #052
FRLG > RBY? Say what?

FR/LG are pretty much 100% better than R/B/Y in every single aspect.

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From: TheCodeisBosco | #052
FRLG > RBY? Say what?
FR/LG are pretty much 100% better than R/B/Y in every single aspect.

I strongly disagree. I think the pacing in the original games is better - I didn't like the Sevii Islands at all - and though they weren't deliberate inclusions from the programmers, the glitches of RBY add a lot of replay value to that title, which is sorely lacking in FRLG. I also didn't care for the updated soundtrack; I think HGSS was a million times better in that regard.

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Pacing? The game's sequence of events is literally exactly the same except the Sevii Islands which you are completely capable of skipping.

The second thing is obvious nostalgia goggle junk that has no place in determining whether a game is better than another.

Well also to be fair, people were mad because for the longest time there was NO WAY to get the older Pokemon in RS, and Emerald only added a handful. Gen III was when Nintendo when crazy cashing in. If you wanted to "catch them all" you needed RS for Gen III, FR/LG for Gen I, and Colosseum and XD for Gen II. Thankfully they've moved away from that.

Not to say the focus on new Pokemon wasn't good. I liked that a lot. That's...also the same reason people like B/W though, so I'm not sure that was ever the issue.

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From: TheCodeisBosco | #056
I also didn't care for the updated soundtrack

(you thought it would be the champion theme, didn't you? well have that too)


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Between the Sevii Islands and Emerald's extended Safari Zone, I think most of the Gen II Pokemon were available. But yeah, the GameCube games were needed up until Emerald was released (plus Ho-oh and Lugia were event only outside of those two games).

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WazzupGenius00 posted...
Pacing? The game's sequence of events is literally exactly the same except the Sevii Islands which you are completely capable of skipping.

I'm pretty sure you have to visit a couple of the islands towards the end of the game, right? I haven't played it since it first came out, but I remember that being the case. At any rate, it's not a big deal, but I personally prefer non-Sevii Kanto.

WazzupGenius00 posted...
The second thing is obvious nostalgia goggle junk that has no place in determining whether a game is better than another.

You talking about the glitches or the soundtrack? If you're talking about the glitches, I'm not sure why that'd be irrelevant - the Mew Glitch is loads of fun to play around with, and though it wasn't included in the game on purpose, it's undeniably increased the game's fun factor for me and many others. And if you're talking about the soundtrack, I can safely say that nostalgia has no part in my opinion. I mean, I have a lot more nostalgia about GSC's soundtrack... and yet I'm fully willing to admit that HGSS has a soundtrack that's equal, if not better.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
From: TheCodeisBosco | #056
I also didn't care for the updated soundtrack





(you thought it would be the champion theme, didn't you? well have that too)


That Champion theme is pretty boss, yeah. I like the S.S. Anne remix a lot too, but I think the original fit the mood better!

For the most part, though, I think the FRLG versions were usually downgrades. Occasionally, some of the remixes were flat-out bad, like Pokemon Tower.

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You don't have to go to the islands with Bill after finishing Cinnabar, I'm pretty sure.

And uh, obviously the glitches are the second thing you mentioned unless you forgot how to count

WazzupGenius00 posted...
You don't have to go to the islands with Bill after finishing Cinnabar, I'm pretty sure.

And uh, obviously the glitches are the second thing you mentioned unless you forgot how to count

You're probably right. Like I said, I don't really remember much about FRLG.

Also, I was just making sure about the "second thing," because it seems weird to accuse someone of being nostalgia-biased because of glitches. That seems like the last thing anyone would get nostalgic over, especially since many of the game's glitches went undetected for years.

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Azp2k32 posted...
Revamping the stat system was awful if you consider battling on something beside an online sim. They flat out overcomplicated the hell out of actual cartridge competitive battling needlessly there. Breeding for IVs and all was bad enough, and making us have to train them like that is just annoyingly unnecessary compared to the old way of just fighting whatever and maxing out every stat.


EVs and IVs have existed in every single game.

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Achromatic posted...
Right opinion.
Fixed

Lol, I just realized how impossible it would be to catch like a tauros or a chansey with good IVs in RBY. IV breeding actually makes cartridge battling a lot simpler in that regard.
Also, Emerald has the best cloning glitch of any generation, super convenient for cloning pokemon and getting tons of items.

From: Biolizard28 | Posted: 7/4/2011 2:24:51 PM | #039
Ryo8889 posted...
Wurmple? Whismur? Metagross? Volbeat? Ilumise? Gulpin? Luvdisc? Clamperl? These are all awful Pokemon and I haven't even started yet.

Cacturne
Sharpedo
Metagross is actually bro tier
Salamence
Walrein
Linoone
Gardevoir
Tropius
Absol
Zangoose
Seviper
Swellow

And I haven't even started yet.

of course you haven't started, there's almost 0 cool pokemon in here

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ROFL no the 3rd gen was terrible

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RSE was great, not the best, but definitely not the worst either

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GuessMyUserName posted...
of course you haven't started, there's almost 0 cool pokemon in here

They're all cooler than you.

BOOM ROASTED

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2>5>4>1>3

They are all good though.

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I never said RSE had only bad Pokemon. I feel RSE has awesome final starters, Aggron is badass, Swellow, Shiftry, Ludicolo, Manectric, Flygon. But things like Masquerain, Nosepass, Dustox, Luvdisk, Barboach, Whismur, Shroomish, Azurill, Mawile, Volbeat, Illumise, Lileep, Snorunt, Clamperl, Huntail are among the worst Pokemon ever designed.

Ruby and Sapphire were lame.

Emerald was the only good one.

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Contests are pretty much the best part of RSE

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Ruby and Sapphire sucked.

Emerald rocked.

GSC > E > DPP > BW > RBY > RS

Add in remakes, you say? OK:

HGSS > GSC > E > DPP > BW > FRLG > RBY > RS

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From: Ryo8889 | #074
Shroomish

what the hell >:

How can you hate Shroomish? :<

You must literally have no soul. |:<

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the only problem with masquerain is that it's bug/flying instead of bug/water

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EVs and IVs have existed in every single game.

wasn't his point, EV caps were what were introduced by RSE, and they doubled the range of IVs possible as well.


but personally i'm fine with that. and RSE is the most underrated of the games, but the later games improved everything they made, which is a consistent trend the series has. each game better than the last, so the remake should be pretty awesome in a few years!

especially as it'll prob be on the 3DS, which has better online than the DS by miles. secret bases actually might be fun.

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I thought EVs had caps in the old games as well?

Well, not the 255 in one stat only, at least. But sooner or later you'll cap it out for every stat.

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For some reason I liked the secrets in Hoenn. The information on how to get the Regis was crazy cryptic, but I rather enjoyed finding out on accident.

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How can you like Shroomish? It's an angry...shroom.

I'm playing through Heart Gold for the first time after having already played White and what is this crap? Levels are all off. Trainer stats are really deceptive. Johto is awful. I really only bought it because I was really craving another Battle Frontier like Emerald has and White has nothing going for it.

I love Emerald. It's up there with Black/White for favorite.

Ruby and Sapphire, though... no.

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All RS did aside adding new moves, pokemon, and items, and adding abilities, is make the most stupidest and annoying stat even more meaningful to how your pokemon ends up, add a crappy nature system that's more problematic and annoying than anything(wouldnt be so bad if you could control what you'd end up with), alienate 2 entire generations, a bunch of dumbassed contests, and everything involving trying to get Milotic.

Also weren't Berries bugged in RS or something.

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you... can control what nature your pokemon will get, at least you could in emerald. everstones.

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you can only control it through a contrived method that Im not even sure is stated anywhere in the games.

That and I was referring to pokemon from the wild. Yeah yeah, more or less meaningless but that's still troublesome to deal with.

Doesn't work for Legendaries or one of a kind pokemon either.

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From: Ryo8889 | #074
I never said RSE had only bad Pokemon. I feel RSE has awesome final starters, Aggron is badass, Swellow, Shiftry, Ludicolo, Manectric, Flygon. But things like Masquerain, Nosepass, Dustox, Luvdisk, Barboach, Whismur, Shroomish, Azurill, Mawile, Volbeat, Illumise, Lileep, Snorunt, Clamperl, Huntail are among the worst Pokemon ever designed.

Hey! Masquerain is awesome, even if it is one of three part-flying types in my HeartGold team incapable of learning Fly. (The others are Mantine and Jumpluff iirc)
And if we're only going by designs, only two or three among the ones you mentioned are that bad.
Nosepass is weird, but it isn't that bad compared to Probopass. Luvdisk was original and not something like a pile of sludge for once, and would've been awesome with an evolution.
Barboach, Whismur (kinda), Shroomish, and Snorunt all evolve into badass pokemon

Yeah, RSE did have the best Starters. All of them were beast when they 1st came out. Infact 2 of them still are(hell one of them is banned now <_<) and the other one is still solid.

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Because they evolve into awesome Pokemon they can give bad design to the pre-evos? Cradily looking beastly doesn't forgive Lileep for being a p****.

I hate Surf Routes.

So I pretty much hate Hoenn.