And he would never get killed by a freakin' nobody human.
Also, my hatred for Shia isn't just for hatred's sake. It's because he's become such a dick actor, when he used to be good and funny (I still have fond memories of Even Stevens). He's such an ass nowadays, I don't understand what went wrong with him.
As for the plot, it would have been better off if it didn't exist. The motivation for everyone's actions, the "plot twists", the actions, NOTHING MADE SENSE. And the whole threat of the movie was basically the same as the second movie, just attempted to expand on it (to horrible results). The Decepticons want to take over Earth and make humans their slaves. That's what they wanted in the second movie, that's what they still want in this one. HOW ORIGINAL.
Mostly everything about this movie was just like the second one, only somehow worse. The second one was at least somewhat enjoyable in theaters because the action was fresh and entertaining, and also plentiful. No such thing in this movie.
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ShadowHalo17 posted... The second one was at least somewhat enjoyable in theaters because the action was fresh and entertaining, and also plentiful.
Not sure if serious. No wait... you can't be. I haven't watched RotF since its theater debut and I've no motive to relive it at all, but the one thing that movie surely lacked was "plentiful action".
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muddersmilk posted... I'd rather they be like Spike and co. in the cartoon, there to give a human perspective and allow for exposition but, with the exception of giving an assist here or there, are useless in a fight and end up being saved more than anything else.
And Starscream may have been a cowardly melodramatic idiot in the cartoon, but he could at least fight.
I'll agree that they should take a secondary role (though my god, used much better in this one in that every human character did stuff and didn't take up the WHOLE thing), but they should at least do stuff. The Starscream sequence was a good example of doing stuff.
Sniper rifles and parachutes vs. Shockwave was pretty stupid though.
Also, Starscream could fight in the films, including this one... when there was no real threat. As soon as he got in danger, he freaked out like the coward he is. He was certainly the most hands-on Decepticon, but also the first to run away.
The real problems were Megatron and Shockwave, both of whom had moments and potential, but were mostly squandered. On the positive side, laserbeak was pretty creepy.
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From: GenesisSaga | #050 I just saw it. It was definitely not worse than the second one. Most definitely not. The length wasn't ridiculously bad for the actual amount of action therein either. Sure it could have been paced better, but there weren't any vast amounts of actionless snoozefests the likes of which regularly plagued RotF. My only major complaint is that the deaths were lame. All of them. Every last one. Terrible.
I don't understand how people think the action in this was better. There was much more human bull s*** going on this time. I was so bored for about 3/4 of the movie, because nothing was going on. We got a short scene of Optimus fighting a giant worm thing. After that, nothing for a while, then a highway scene, which is so overused that I couldn't enjoy it because it was more of the same. Then the stupid ass "plot twist" that made no sense and lacked any motivation. Then Decepticons have the upper hand and take another hour to do anything with it while everyone else is just lulling around acting like there's no danger.
Then once we do get to the main action part of the movie (after almost two hours), it's mostly boring, nonsensical, and rehashed. There wasn't enough Autobots kicking Decepticon ass. Instead we had the humans doing a bunch of stupid crap that they had no business actually surviving from.
There were some cool parts, but nothing all that great. Optimus vs Megatron and two other Decepticons in the second movie was much better than anything we got in this movie.
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From: GenesisSaga | #052 ShadowHalo17 posted... The second one was at least somewhat enjoyable in theaters because the action was fresh and entertaining, and also plentiful.
Not sure if serious. No wait... you can't be. I haven't watched RotF since its theater debut and I've no motive to relive it at all, but the one thing that movie surely lacked was "plentiful action".
Okay, not "plentiful" exactly, but still more than this one.
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'bout damn time Starscream died. He was killed half-way through the first movie! It took Bay three movies to get the job done. If there's another Transformers movie and no Starscream's ghost I will hurt people.
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Hating an actor's performances and the actions of a character they play because they're a jerk in real life is silly. That shouldn't effect your opinion of the film itself. As for Shia in this movie, he was better, but like much of it I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
I don't really see what doesn't make sense by the way. I mean seriously, the second one's plot baffles me to this day (though I can tell you that it has nothing to do with enslaving humanity. The Fallen wanted to blow up the sun or something equally stupid). This one's was comprehensible. Characters had motivations, and it was actually explained, unlike anything in RotF. Hell, there were even some decent scenes of drama and plot-focus, such as the reveals and the really good pre-credits sequence, though those were dragged down by the pacing. RotF had none of those... And it was dragged down by the pacing.
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From: Lightning Strikes | #056 Hating an actor's performances and the actions of a character they play because they're a jerk in real life is silly.
I agree with you. I hate his performance because he's acting like a dick just like he does in real life. That, and he's just a terrible character in this movie, just like the last.
The plot didn't make sense. I mean the main drive did, I guess. Decepticons wanted to enslave humanity, fine, that's a decent motivation. What about Sentinel Prime though, his betrayal was stupid. I understand why he did it, but what was the point of waiting that long to reveal his turn? Maybe I missed it, I know he needed the pillars from the humans, but he didn't even have them at that point, he went back to the base and just started destroying s*** until he got what he wanted. If that's all his ploy amounted to, why didn't he just do that earlier and save us a half hour or so?
Then after that, there should be a sense of impending doom, yet no one seems to be worried at all. Then they decide to send the Autobots away... What? Why? Because they want Earth to be their own? Okay, you send the Autobots away, and the Earth sure as hell won't be your own, because Decepticons are supposedly TAKING OVER RIGHT THE F*** NOW. And you're sending away the only weapons you have against them. They don't stand a change against giant robots by themselves, they should know that by now, yet they still act stupid and nonsensical just like every character in a Michael Bay movie does.
I could go on, but I'm not going to. I feel like this has already been a major waste of my time. I'm not saying the story was worse than the second movie's story, there were some parts to this one that were at least somewhat good, like Sam watching the space ship blow up in the distance. That was about the only time anyone in the movie realized their world was about to drastically change. Though I knew of course that it would amount to nothing, everyone knew the Autobots weren't really gone. Ultimately though, the story was still stupid as f*** and had no business being the focus of the movie over the action and explosions.
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Sentinel Prime waited so long because his ship crashed and he got deactivated. He was supposed to meet up with Megatron, but he crashed, got sent into stasis, and ergo had to wait until Prime reactivated him. After that, he waited until he had a chance to get away with the pillars. Also, the Autobots getting exiled was pretty stupid, but the reasoning was clear: humanity did not think they could beat the decepticons, and wanted the Autobots gone anyway. However, that was communicated poorly and came off as rushed. But at least you could follow the damn thing!
As an aside, let's face it, the plot of this movie is Mass Effect 1. They even both have a traitorious secondary villain that has the exact same motive in both.
Also, I do need to stress how much better the action was in this movie, especially compared to RotF's. Here (and this includes the human focused sequences) it was well-choreographed, well-shot, made good use of 3D, and was easy to follow and distinguish who was who. The fight scenes and big action moments were pretty well edited. In the first one it was pagued by shaky cam and odd camera angles and close-ups, but at least it was well-choreographed. But RotF, my god were those action sequences bad. I do not even know where to begin. It was impossible to tell what was going on, it was just explosion after explosion with no choreography or anything that makes a good action scene. Hell, there the Decepticons were so hard to tell apart I though Megatron died a third of the way into the movie. Even the highway scene, which you cite as being more of the same, was worlds better in this one. I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, but my god, RotF's action scenes were horrid for me.
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I could easily tell what was going on in most of the action scenes in the second movie. I could tell what was going on in these as well, which is why I say it was just more of the same. Nothing was fresh this time around, they all used the same tactics and fighting techniques. There was nothing special about any of it this time around. There was nothing special about the second movie either, really, but at least they tried doing something new a few times. I mean Optimus fighting three Decepticons alone was pretty awesome. At least I thought so.
From: Lightning Strikes | #064 Sentinel Prime waited so long because his ship crashed and he got deactivated. He was supposed to meet up with Megatron, but he crashed, got sent into stasis, and ergo had to wait until Prime reactivated him. After that, he waited until he had a chance to get away with the pillars. Also, the Autobots getting exiled was pretty stupid, but the reasoning was clear: humanity did not think they could beat the decepticons, and wanted the Autobots gone anyway. However, that was communicated poorly and came off as rushed.
This still makes no sense. Why did Sentinel have to wait? All he did was betray them and then forcefully take the pillars, he could have done that at any time. There was no strategy involved there at all except for brute force. And when sending the Autobots away, you say the humans didn't think they could beat the Decepticons (obviously) which is their reason for getting the Autobots off their planet? What? I mean yeah, that's exactly what happened. And it still makes no sense.
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If you're seeing a Michael Bay movie at this point, joke's on you. He's worse than M. Night Scamalon.
Considering Night's had only 2 good films vs. Bay's 4 good films, I disagree. I thought Transformers 3 was pretty good, much better than the mess that was the second film.
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Did they just pick dialogue out of a hat for this one? We only got one shot! ONE SHOT'S ALL WE NEED
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If sentinel was planning on betraying the f out of everyone why didn't he accept the matrix of leadership from Optimus? Why does Megatron even bother to get up from Africa if he didn't want to do anything but sulk to the point where he is somehow approachable to the female human lead? Why would Starscream be writhing and blind over nothing but a little claw in his right eye? Just rip the cable out and shoot Shia! And how the **** is John Turturros butler also an expert hacker? No explanation, he just asks his butler to hack some bull and the dude actually does it and uses the line "I'm in!".
It's just a shame that all these artists think up such kickass robot designs and so much money is spent making them transform and look insanely awesome only to be given voice and direction by one of the most immature directors out there. All the technical achievement is undermined by being part of an overall mockery of cinema.
By the way, did anyone else love how even after they've stopped his plan and rendered him weaponless and helpless, Optimus Prime needlessly executes Sentinel Prime?
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And how the **** is John Turturros butler also an expert hacker?
how can you hate that. the butler was awesome.
saw it last night. two main issues i got: 1) starscream jobbed pretty damn hard. 2) Megatron died too fast. though the counterpoint to that is of course Optimus entering go time mode means he will **** you up.
the rest however i enjoyed and don't really get much of what there is to complain! i like humans being able to do stuff instead of being complete fodder. it actually made sense to have humans for once. i like the moments where Chang from Community popped up and played pretty much the exact same character. and the little touches were quite nice in the movie as well (e.g., megatron's head). and sentinel was awesome enough for me to not hate. sure it could've used a couple more fights between the transformers, but it was certainly enjoyable with some parts being good.
loads better than the 2nd. hell, probably better than the 1st.
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