Board 8 > Children show greater respect for property rights than adults

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Shocking news: Smartmuffin's thought process are more understood by children than adults

I will fully grant you your point, children probably do see things your way more than adults. congratulations.

Yeah, I was thinking this upon reading the first post. Fitting that Muffin would think preschoolers have insightful thoughts about socioeconomic theories.

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Yeah, I was thinking this upon reading the first post. Fitting that Muffin would think preschoolers have insightful thoughts about socioeconomic theories.

It isn't so much that their thoughts are insightful as it is that insight can be gained from examining thoughts in their closest form to a natural state.

Although it's nice that you guys are all admitting that leftist indoctrination mysteriously somehow happens between being a young child and being an adult. Never thought I'd see the day!

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not pooping in your pants indoctrination also occurs during that period

it's a pretty good time

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Although it's nice that you guys are all admitting that leftist indoctrination mysteriously somehow happens between being a young child and being an adult. Never thought I'd see the day!

I recall seeing a Muslim lady with a headscarf as a young kid and instantly hating her. I was also indoctrinated to think that that was wrong of me, and I'm glad I didn't keep believing that all Muslims are terrible people. "Indoctrination" doesn't seem right, I think the word you're looking for is "education."

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I think the word you're looking for is "education."

See, that's also sort of my point. Do you concede that it might be possible to "educate" someone into having pro-liberty principles? Funny how that never seems to happen!

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yeah, i know in my american public schools education they taught me to hate freedom and liberty and the capitalism -_-

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It isn't so much that their thoughts are insightful as it is that insight can be gained from examining thoughts in their closest form to a natural state.

Although it's nice that you guys are all admitting that leftist indoctrination mysteriously somehow happens between being a young child and being an adult. Never thought I'd see the day!

yes, because clearly the only thing that changes in a person between childhood and adulthood is what they are taught, their minds and bodies do not develop at all!

a child is not an adult in a "natural state", what kind of ridiculous mental gymnastics did you have to do to actually think that this topic was a good idea?

Pretty surprising considering the importance that hunting-gathering societies place on sharing.

Those people shared because having other people performing different jobs staying alive is important.

Capitalism doesn't ban sharing/transactions.

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Just reminder that smuffin thinks anything that isn't pure unregulated capitalism is communism.

Which makes his point even more laughable.

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See, charmander gets it. Under capitalism, sharing isn't illegal. Everyone is free to share their property if they choose to do so.

Also, I just have one question for you. How did all that sharing work out for the hunter/gatherers? I'd rather live in today's America then spend my entire life running away from lions and dying of smallpox at age 22.

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yes, because those are the two options.

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Fair point. How's it working out for the citizens of North Korea?

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See, charmander gets it. Under capitalism, sharing isn't illegal. Everyone is free to share their property if they choose to do so.

Also, I just have one question for you. How did all that sharing work out for the hunter/gatherers? I'd rather live in today's America then spend my entire life running away from lions and dying of smallpox at age 22.

I wasn't trying to attack you or anything; I was just surprised by the findings, considering that it clashes with the social structure that dominated most of human evolutionary history.

Anyway, considering that they had a sustainable lifestyle that lasted for thousands of years, it seems like it worked well for them. (http://www.utexas.edu/courses/sami/diehtu/siida/hunting/jonsa.htm).

What's more, I don't think we should be so quick to criticize their way of life considering that modern society has more than enough health problems in its own right.

I'm sorry if you thought I was being mean to you, btw.

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What's more, I don't think we should be so quick to criticize their way of life considering that modern society has more than enough health problems in its own right.

Uh, while it's true that current society has by no means "eradicated disease entirely" we've eradicated a FEW diseases and nearly tripled average life expectancy from the hunter/gatherer days.

You're correct that a communal property system dominated most of early human evolutionary history. It's also a true statement that early human evolutionary history was a dirty, ugly, painful, constant battle with disease, starvation, and predators. Sustainable? A society where a year with not enough rain wipes out a third of your population is not, in fact, sustainable.

If you were to make a graph showing the average human standard of living and also plot the overall value and respect for property rights, I'm guessing they'd be practically the same line, a steady trend uphill until around the 1920s when the progressives came in and absolutely wrecked everything. Perhaps you believe those two things are totally unrelated and its all a massive coincidence. I do not.

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Yeah, the standard of living was fantastic in the early twentieth century. Especially for black people.

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Yes, compared to the African jungles everyone's standard of living is perfect. Do you really consider this to be a serious argument?

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Yes, compared to the African jungles everyone's standard of living is perfect. Do you really consider this to be a serious argument?

No, but that's the argument you guys presented to me.

"Well hunter-gatherer societies had communal property so obviously it's great!"

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I am pretty sure people were actually arguing that because primitive societies had communal property, it is obviously not your "natural state" to believe that communal property is evil as hunter-gatherer societies were obviously not indoctrinated into left wing ideology.

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If you were to make a graph showing the average human standard of living and also plot the overall value and respect for property rights, I'm guessing they'd be practically the same line, a steady trend uphill until around the 1920s when the progressives came in and absolutely wrecked everything. Perhaps you believe those two things are totally unrelated and its all a massive coincidence. I do not.

For standard of living, it would be a line trending very very slowly uphill until around 1800, with major setbacks (standard of living in the Roman Empire was better than it was for hundreds of years afterwards), and then rapidly and steadily uphill after 1800. No, it did not stop its ferocious uphill climb after the 1930s.

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progressives wrecked the country in the 1920's guys


thats why everything sucks

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Compared to what they "enjoyed" in the African jungles, YES. Yes it was. By every possible measurement it was.

SmartMuffin literally just posted that black people regularly being killed by lynch mobs and facing open discrimination in all walks of life is better than their ancestral, natural habitat.

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And then this guy will hop on an alt to mark everyone that disagrees with anything he says because apparently losing his marking privilege on his main account didn't actually teach him anything.

Taking a screenshot of that post so he can't come back later and deny saying it. Jesus tapdancing christ that was awful.

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From: SmartMuffin | #069
Yeah, the standard of living was fantastic in the early twentieth century. Especially for black people.

Compared to what they "enjoyed" in the African jungles, YES. Yes it was. By every possible measurement it was.

did this post really happen

I mean I know it's Smuffin but even by his standards I'm baffled by the sheer stupidity of this post

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Um, of all the things he said, that was one of the least controversial. The test for which is better is pretty simple: ask people which they would choose. Very few people are going to choose the African "jungle."

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From: red sox 777 | #079
Um, of all the things he said, that was one of the least controversial. The test for which is better is pretty simple: ask people which they would choose. Very few people are going to choose the African "jungle."

That does not matter. It was still an incredibly stupid and racist (and I don't use the word racist lightly) comparison.

edit: Not to mention completely patronizing.

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But you're far less likely to die from lynch mob in early 20th century America than from disease/lack of medical care/lion/etc in a Stone Age community in Africa (I'm assuming that by "jungle" he meant a Stone Age community and not a more advanced civilization). It's not just about the way you die, you also have perhaps double the life expectancy. How much would you give to live twice as long?

I'll admit I don't have much first hand knowledge of what most black people would actually choose.

I mean, it was a bad comparison because it didn't have any bearing on the question. Of course 20th century America has a higher standard of living than Stone Age Africa. We don't need capitalism to explain that.

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From: red sox 777 | #084
I mean, it was a bad comparison because it didn't have any bearing on the question. Of course 20th century America has a higher standard of living than Stone Age Africa. We don't need capitalism to explain that.

It was a bad comparison because it was completely patronizing towards a whole race of people. How do you not see this?

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It's not at all racist of patronizing towards a race. Lasa brought race into this, not me. I wasn't speaking strictly for blacks, but for everyone. Man originated in Africa. That's where most of the hunter-gatherer tribes WERE. When we're talking about the earliest stone-age peoples, we are largely talking about Africa.

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Some mighty big holes being dug in this topic.

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That's true too. I'm not saying it isn't, just that statement is factually not terribly controversial or absurd.

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Smuffin why would we even bother engaging in an intelligent conversation when you literally just called us communists of all things

maybe you need to try and learn meanings of words first before you even try making conversation

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Nooo, that shouldn't have been modded, it was way too funny.

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Yeah, I'M the one engaging in trolling in this topic...

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I think I've seen smuffin in the yahoo comments.

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