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Kitt
06/09/19 9:40:11 PM
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Irony
06/09/19 9:40:49 PM
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No
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Kitt
06/09/19 9:42:37 PM
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CyricZ
06/09/19 9:44:13 PM
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That seems to be the case. I would like to fight angels.
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Kitt
06/09/19 9:45:40 PM
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CyricZ posted...
That seems to be the case. I would like to fight angels.

Sweet.
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Skye Reynolds
06/09/19 10:17:00 PM
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Doom in the 90s, "Doom isn't Satanic. You're fighting demons."
Doom in the 10s, "I hope the new Doom lets you fight angels."
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Zack_Attackv1
06/09/19 10:21:15 PM
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*continues sucking on lollipop like Bayonetta*
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Kitt
06/09/19 10:27:52 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Doom in the 90s, "Doom isn't Satanic. You're fighting demons."
Doom in the 10s, "I hope the new Doom lets you fight angels."

We've come so far.
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billman1000
06/09/19 10:29:20 PM
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I mean the definitely hinted at it and there were a few screens that looked like they were headed in that direction
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CircleOfManias
06/09/19 10:38:02 PM
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As long as they use the Revelation depictions of angels. Wheels with eyes, 6-winged dragons, that sort of thing.
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EverDownward
06/09/19 10:39:08 PM
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Heaven, in Doom. Why???
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EverDownward
06/09/19 10:39:42 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Doom in the 90s, "Doom isn't Satanic. You're fighting demons."
Doom in the 10s, "I hope the new Doom lets you fight angels."

This, I'm starting to doubt the direction of this new Doom.
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Skye Reynolds
06/09/19 10:41:44 PM
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EverDownward posted...
Heaven, in Doom. Why???


Because Christians invariably hate gay people? (Sarcasm.) Because it's edgy to fight Heaven even though JRPGs have done it for decades? Because they've run out of ideas and this is the obvious next choice?
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EverDownward
06/09/19 10:43:03 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
EverDownward posted...
Heaven, in Doom. Why???


Because Christians invariably hate gay people? (Sarcasm.) Because it's edgy to fight Heaven even though JRPGs have done it for decades? Because they've run out of ideas and this is the obvious next choice?

Yeah, this reeks of running out of ideas and being edgy because it's Doom and Doom is edgy. Lame, honestly.
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CyricZ
06/09/19 10:46:33 PM
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Y'all forgetting Diablo is a thing?

There's plenty of media where neither Heaven nor Hell is truly on humanity's side.

Read Good Omens, even.
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EverDownward
06/09/19 10:46:58 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Y'all forgetting Diablo is a thing?

Diablo =/= Doom

EDIT: And besides, there was never any indication Heaven was involved in the series. At least, not in the games. There may be something in the Doom Bible, but if there is I can't imagine it's more than superfluous and innocuous information.
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mach25687
06/09/19 10:49:24 PM
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Painkiller I think does this, but really I would like to know what heaven is up too when Doom is happening.
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Skye Reynolds
06/09/19 10:49:32 PM
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EverDownward posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
EverDownward posted...
Heaven, in Doom. Why???


Because Christians invariably hate gay people? (Sarcasm.) Because it's edgy to fight Heaven even though JRPGs have done it for decades? Because they've run out of ideas and this is the obvious next choice?

Yeah, this reeks of running out of ideas and being edgy because it's Doom and Doom is edgy. Lame, honestly.


To be honest, and I say this as a member of the faith, I'd have greater respect for this decision if they did have a bone to pick with Christianity/religion/the concept of Heaven than if it were simply a cash grab idea. At least the former would show initiative behind the creative decision.
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EverDownward
06/09/19 10:52:16 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
EverDownward posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
EverDownward posted...
Heaven, in Doom. Why???


Because Christians invariably hate gay people? (Sarcasm.) Because it's edgy to fight Heaven even though JRPGs have done it for decades? Because they've run out of ideas and this is the obvious next choice?

Yeah, this reeks of running out of ideas and being edgy because it's Doom and Doom is edgy. Lame, honestly.


To be honest, and I say this as a member of the faith, I'd have greater respect for this decision if they did have a bone to pick with Christianity/religion/the concept of Heaven than if it were simply a cash grab idea. At least the former would show initiative behind the creative decision.

I understand where you're coming from, and I agree to a degree...but it's 2019, and Christianity is some of the lowest hanging fruit the entertainment industry can pick. I'm unfortunately inclined to believe there will hardly be any legitimate nuance, and Heaven will be laughably one dimensional. Probably something along the lines of "b-but Heaven is bad, too!"
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CyricZ
06/09/19 10:53:04 PM
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EverDownward posted...
CyricZ posted...
Y'all forgetting Diablo is a thing?

Diablo =/= Doom

EDIT: And besides, there was never any indication Heaven was involved in the series. At least, not in the games. There may be something in the Doom Bible, but if there is I can't imagine it's more than superfluous and innocuous information.

So I dunno if you played Doom 2016, but we got some semblance of a lore being established. Given that current track, I imagine there's some seeding of the lore they're attempting with this.

Don't be so offended. ;)

EDIT: Like seriously, play a mainline SMT game to learn what people are talking about when they say there's validity in a Heaven "faction" being put into this lore.
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EverDownward
06/09/19 10:55:17 PM
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CyricZ posted...
EverDownward posted...
CyricZ posted...
Y'all forgetting Diablo is a thing?

Diablo =/= Doom

EDIT: And besides, there was never any indication Heaven was involved in the series. At least, not in the games. There may be something in the Doom Bible, but if there is I can't imagine it's more than superfluous and innocuous information.

So I dunno if you played Doom 2016, but we got some semblance of a lore being established. Given that current track, I imagine there's some seeding of the lore they're attempting with this.

Don't be so offended. ;)

Yeah, but all of that stuff was off hand, secondary information that didn't hold much relevance to the game's narrative.
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EverDownward
06/09/19 10:56:13 PM
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CyricZ posted...
EDIT: Like seriously, play a mainline SMT game to learn what people are talking about when they say there's validity in a Heaven "faction" being put into this lore.

...again, Doom isn't Diablo, and it's not Shin Megami Tensei.

Like I said previously, I'm just worried they won't treat the idea of Heaven with any subtlety or nuance. id didn't feel it was necessary to bring up or discuss Heaven for two decades, but with the new creative director it's suddenly a thing. I'm just wary.
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Dyinglegacy
06/09/19 10:57:06 PM
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I still want to see a dynasty warrios game that is heaven vs hell. You play as high rank angels and demons, like Michael and Gabriel for heaven side, and Abaddon and Samael on hells side. You run around beating up little angel or demon mooks, depending on your side, and fight generals, like the above mentioned at the end of the stages.
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Kitt
06/09/19 11:05:12 PM
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Tyranthraxus
06/09/19 11:08:27 PM
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Kitt posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
Doom in the 90s, "Doom isn't Satanic. You're fighting demons."
Doom in the 10s, "I hope the new Doom lets you fight angels."

We've come so far.

By "come so far" you mean "it's literally Diablo 3 act 4 but with Doomslayer" then sure.
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Skye Reynolds
06/09/19 11:08:36 PM
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No offense. Asking for subtlety or thought-provoking arguments in a game like Doom is kinda like expecting a subtle political message from Duke Nukem.

If they go there, they're going there guns blazing without much concern for the details.
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Kitt
06/09/19 11:19:45 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Kitt posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
Doom in the 90s, "Doom isn't Satanic. You're fighting demons."
Doom in the 10s, "I hope the new Doom lets you fight angels."

We've come so far.

By "come so far" you mean "it's literally Diablo 3 act 4 but with Doomslayer" then sure.

Yes.
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