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Mead
05/07/19 8:08:58 PM
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May we have some moderate gun laws please

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/denver-area-school-shooting-leaves-several-injured-11557268590
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Lokarin
05/07/19 8:14:29 PM
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Clearly not enough students are armed to defend themselves
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CTLM
05/07/19 8:19:55 PM
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Mead posted...
May we have some moderate gun laws please

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/denver-area-school-shooting-leaves-several-injured-11557268590


More laws won't change this. This just makes it harder on law abiding gun owners or soon to be owners.
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Cacciato
05/07/19 8:21:59 PM
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CTLM posted...
Mead posted...
May we have some moderate gun laws please

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/denver-area-school-shooting-leaves-several-injured-11557268590


More laws won't change this. This just makes it harder on law abiding gun owners or soon to be owners.

This. Thats why theres so many school shootings in Europe.
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TimeForAction
05/07/19 8:22:56 PM
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What we really need are more thoughts and prayers
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DPsx7
05/07/19 8:27:36 PM
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Cacciato posted...
CTLM posted...
Mead posted...
May we have some moderate gun laws please

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/denver-area-school-shooting-leaves-several-injured-11557268590


More laws won't change this. This just makes it harder on law abiding gun owners or soon to be owners.

This. Thats why theres so many school shootings in Europe.


Exactly, bullies and social media are the problem, not guns. So you make some laws, who cares? Next time it'll be a chemical.
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SunWuKung420
05/07/19 8:27:53 PM
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It would be a lot nicer if everyone was less negative to each other and themselves.

My condolences to anyone affected.
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aHappySacka
05/07/19 8:32:40 PM
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Sending thoughts and prayers.
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Nade Duck
05/07/19 9:00:19 PM
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at what point are we just asking for it?
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Cacciato
05/07/19 9:10:21 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Cacciato posted...
CTLM posted...
Mead posted...
May we have some moderate gun laws please

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/denver-area-school-shooting-leaves-several-injured-11557268590


More laws won't change this. This just makes it harder on law abiding gun owners or soon to be owners.

This. Thats why theres so many school shootings in Europe.


Exactly, bullies and social media are the problem, not guns. So you make some laws, who cares? Next time it'll be a chemical.

Careful man, we remember how you feel about immigrants and social media.
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CTLM
05/07/19 9:10:26 PM
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Nade Duck posted...
at what point are we just asking for it?


Asking for what?
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Yellow
05/07/19 9:19:30 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Exactly, bullies and social media are the problem, not guns. So you make some laws, who cares? Next time it'll be a chemical.

"Man kills 50 people with a chemical, video games are the problem"

What chemical? If spree shooters were smart they could. But they're not.

Mostly they're just ill people with voices in their heads.
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dancer62
05/07/19 9:29:49 PM
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Cacciato posted...
CTLM posted...
Mead posted...
May we have some moderate gun laws please

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/denver-area-school-shooting-leaves-several-injured-11557268590


More laws won't change this. This just makes it harder on law abiding gun owners or soon to be owners.

This. Thats why theres so many school shootings in Europe.

Do Europeans glorify their school shooters in the media?

Actually, we have plenty of gun laws. We need stricter anti-crazy-person laws.
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Doctor Foxx
05/07/19 9:33:31 PM
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dancer62 posted...
Cacciato posted...
CTLM posted...
Mead posted...
May we have some moderate gun laws please

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/denver-area-school-shooting-leaves-several-injured-11557268590


More laws won't change this. This just makes it harder on law abiding gun owners or soon to be owners.

This. Thats why theres so many school shootings in Europe.

Do Europeans glorify their school shooters in the media?

Actually, we have plenty of gun laws. We need stricter anti-crazy-person laws.

Does their society glorify gun culture?
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dancer62
05/07/19 9:42:36 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
dancer62 posted...
Cacciato posted...
CTLM posted...
Mead posted...
May we have some moderate gun laws please

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/denver-area-school-shooting-leaves-several-injured-11557268590


More laws won't change this. This just makes it harder on law abiding gun owners or soon to be owners.

This. Thats why theres so many school shootings in Europe.

Do Europeans glorify their school shooters in the media?

Actually, we have plenty of gun laws. We need stricter anti-crazy-person laws.

Does their society glorify gun culture?

When we (in the U.S.) actually glorified gun culture, there were fewer shootings. Guns were patriotic. Part of everyday life. Most people had hunting guns. Pop had the Arisaka or Mauser he brought back as a war souvenir. Grandma had a .32 on her nightstand in case of intruders. Kids had BB guns.
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SunWuKung420
05/07/19 9:47:34 PM
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We really don't need more laws. We need more compassion and understanding, not greater systems of control.
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DrPrimemaster
05/07/19 9:56:24 PM
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I dont really think gun control would fix the problem but something tangible should be done and the easiest thing would be gun control.

Honestly I think it keeps happening because people keep seeing it on the news and think its a good idea, which means more news coverage and more people seeing it and thinking its a good idea.
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Yellow
05/07/19 9:58:23 PM
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Yeah except not everyone is emotionally grounded enough to do acid sunny

I'm sure it's a lot of fun.
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Moonjay
05/07/19 10:05:12 PM
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I think we need better, more affordable, more accessible mental health care. And less shame and stigma for people who need help. And more ways to force people to get help when they're known to be violent. And we should take guns away from the KNOWN violent people, the ones that are super likely to kill someone. And we need less assholes driving people insane.
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Yellow
05/07/19 10:14:45 PM
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Apparently regulations were modestly strict up until 86, when this bill

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-100/pdf/STATUTE-100-Pg449.pdf

Created the gun show loophole, among other things.

I'd post the Time article that shows the timeline, but it has an autoplay video of an obnoxious lady screaming at a protest.
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CTLM
05/07/19 10:19:47 PM
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Moonjay posted...
I think we need better, more affordable, more accessible mental health care. And less shame and stigma for people who need help. And more ways to force people to get help when they're known to be violent. And we should take guns away from the KNOWN violent people, the ones that are super likely to kill someone. And we need less assholes driving people insane.


Mental health care took a back seat years ago when it was far easier to just put them in prison or institutionalize them. When those places closed down, they had no place to go but the streets

Whoa there buddy. If the liberals saw what you wrote about forcing people to do anything, you'd hear them screaming from miles away. Our country doesn't believe in forcing anyone to do anything, even if they're threat to the public, as asinine as that sounds

They're a KNOWN danger and could harm someone else but you want to take away their guns? Holy shit, prepare for lawsuits and all sorts of problems from civil liberty unions. Doesn't matter if I agree with you about stopping problems preemptively. People have to die first before things change in certain circumstances
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LinkPizza
05/07/19 10:24:39 PM
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Moonjay posted...
I think we need better, more affordable, more accessible mental health care. And less shame and stigma for people who need help. And more ways to force people to get help when they're known to be violent. And we should take guns away from the KNOWN violent people, the ones that are super likely to kill someone. And we need less assholes driving people insane.

Dan Cummings has a skit about this...
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Blighboy
05/07/19 10:25:24 PM
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Nade Duck posted...
at what point are we just asking for it?

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Yellow
05/07/19 10:34:07 PM
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CTLM posted...
Mental health care took a back seat years ago when it was far easier to just put them in prison or institutionalize them. When those places closed down, they had no place to go but the streets

Oh yeah, member when we cut off people's frontal lobes? That really took them down a notch.

We could always go back to giving people brain damage with isolation, or just throw them away in a jail cell, because fuck all if I can think of a smart way to deal with mentally ill people.

Yeah no. Every time we have this conversation I'm trying to find a reason why we don't need harsher gun control, because tbh, I don't really care about mass shootings (lightning kills 50 people a year too, about 1/5 the mass shooting deaths), and I'm just met with a wall of stupid. Gun control works in Europe preeetty well.

I don't understand how you blame liberals for lack of gun control either.
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Zeus
05/07/19 10:40:30 PM
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Mead posted...
May we have some moderate gun laws please


You mean the gun laws we had ages ago before moving to more extreme gun control?

Cacciato posted...
This. Thats why theres so many school shootings in Europe.


Back when schools had rifle clubs, there were far fewer school shootings. Clearly all that gun control has done wonders for us so far.

Yellow posted...
What chemical? If spree shooters were smart they could. But they're not.


They don't have to. If you can shoot or stab somebody with an existing weapon, you're not going to fashion your own. However, it's *very* easy to improvise weapons. Just ask the Tsarnaev Brothers. The list of things you'd need to ban to eliminate access to dangerous weapons is completely unsustainable.

Yellow posted...
Mostly they're just ill people with voices in their heads.


Which is a dangerous and wrong stereotype. Very few spree shooters are schizophrenic.

Yellow posted...
Apparently regulations were modestly strict up until 86, when this bill

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-100/pdf/STATUTE-100-Pg449.pdf

Created the gun show loophole, among other things.

I'd post the Time article that shows the timeline, but it has an autoplay video of an obnoxious lady screaming at a protest.


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Moonjay
05/07/19 10:46:18 PM
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I am a liberal so like not all liberals have a problem with the idea of enforced mental health care for people who are a known danger.

And for the record since the subject came up, I certainly don't mean mad doctor mutilation crap, I mean actual care. From caring professionals.

Like I got unwillingly put in a mental hospital for psychosis but I wasn't even a danger to others. And that's great, I needed it. I'm also not allowed to own a gun for five years from the last time I was in the hospital. Also fine. And yet people who beat their children, people who stalk and rape, people who are known to the police as dangerous don't get mental health care AND get to keep their guns. Madness.
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Cacciato
05/07/19 10:49:12 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
We really don't need more laws. We need more compassion and understanding, not greater systems of control.

Oh shut the fuck up Sunny
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CTLM
05/07/19 10:49:53 PM
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Yellow posted...
CTLM posted...
Mental health care took a back seat years ago when it was far easier to just put them in prison or institutionalize them. When those places closed down, they had no place to go but the streets

Oh yeah, member when we cut off people's frontal lobes? That really took them down a notch.

We could always go back to giving people brain damage with isolation, or just throw them away in a jail cell, because fuck all if I can think of a smart way to deal with mentally ill people.

Yeah no. Every time we have this conversation I'm trying to find a reason why we don't need harsher gun control, because tbh, I don't really care about mass shootings (lightning kills 50 people a year too, about 1/5 the mass shooting deaths), and I'm just met with a wall of stupid. Gun control works in Europe preeetty well.

I don't understand how you blame liberals for lack of gun control either.


At no point did I ever blame liberals for lack of gun control.
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Mead
05/07/19 11:34:38 PM
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Over time some common sense laws would absolutely help. For one thing the right wing media needs to stop pushing the narrative that someone wants to take guns away from people. Thats not a thing.

We have more legislation regarding cars than we do guns. The idea that we are powerless to have any measure of control regarding how many guns are manufactured and sold in our country and who can easily access them is an insult to our nation.
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Krow_Incarnate
05/08/19 12:04:41 AM
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I'll just go spend $10 at my local gas station and douse the place before lighting a match.

Hooray for gun laws!
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Mead
05/08/19 12:07:29 AM
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Krow_Incarnate posted...
I'll just go spend $10 at my local gas station and douse the place before lighting a match.

Hooray for gun laws!


Pretty sure schoolchildren arent getting murdered every week by gasoline fires but hey what do I know Im just a small town potd lawyer
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Dark_Spiret
05/08/19 12:20:37 AM
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Mead posted...
Thats not a thing.
considering the new AWB's being proposed its not far from the truth.
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Mead
05/08/19 12:21:33 AM
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Dark_Spiret posted...
Mead posted...
Thats not a thing.
considering the new AWB's being proposed its not far from the truth.


Whats that?
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Keebs05
05/08/19 12:25:20 AM
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Before we start debating about gun control, do we know anything about the shooter(s), what weapons were involved and/or how they were acquired?
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Dark_Spiret
05/08/19 12:46:17 AM
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Mead posted...
Whats that?
Assault Weapons Ban. a lot of the new ones out there define every semi-automatic weapon into an "assault weapon" (despite what the original 1994 AWB definitions were) which carries heavier regulations or bans. so basically a little $200 40 year old semi-auto .22 rifle is now classified as an assault weapon and apparently just as dangerous as an Ar15.

AWB's in general are stupid when the weapons they limit take up such an insignificant amount of gun deaths per year and always feature largely pointless restrictions that have no real bases on how deadly a gun is.
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Mead
05/08/19 1:36:16 AM
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Keebs05 posted...
Before we start debating about gun control, do we know anything about the shooter(s), what weapons were involved and/or how they were acquired?


Its not about gun control, its about gun common sense and gun responsibility
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Keebs05
05/08/19 1:40:35 AM
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Mead posted...
Keebs05 posted...
Before we start debating about gun control, do we know anything about the shooter(s), what weapons were involved and/or how they were acquired?


Its not about gun control, its about gun common sense and gun responsibility

Doesn't answer my question.
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Mead
05/08/19 1:41:21 AM
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Keebs05 posted...
Mead posted...
Keebs05 posted...
Before we start debating about gun control, do we know anything about the shooter(s), what weapons were involved and/or how they were acquired?


Its not about gun control, its about gun common sense and gun responsibility

Doesn't answer my question.


Wasnt trying to
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Kyuubi4269
05/08/19 1:44:55 AM
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If US schools weren't hot beds for abuse, people wouldn't feel the need to wipe them out
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Keebs05
05/08/19 1:45:45 AM
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Shocking. Let's try this then.

Before we start debating "gun common sense and gun responsibility" do we know anything about the shooter(s), what weapons were involved and/or how they were acquired?
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Cacciato
05/08/19 1:48:51 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
If US schools weren't hot beds for abuse, people wouldn't feel the need to wipe them out

He says from his island thousands of miles away.
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Mead
05/08/19 1:49:37 AM
#43:


Keebs05 posted...
Shocking. Let's try this then.

Before we start debating "gun common sense and gun responsibility" do we know anything about the shooter(s), what weapons were involved and/or how they were acquired?


This shit happens every week

Fact is that the weapons are way too easy for deranged folks to get and theres no accountability for the gun owners for not keeping them out of the hands of others

Im a supporter of the second amendment. I think any responsible citizen should have the right to a firearm to protect themselves and their household because you cant depend on the police for everything. But there has to be societal responsible that comes with that and we gotta protect our kids.
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Yellow
05/08/19 1:52:39 AM
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It's not even the fact that I want mass shootings to stop, I'm just frustrated that people are wrong and pretending gun control doesn't work.

There's a line somewhere, and you want it way over there. You could stop all crime if you invented mass mind control, or you could have absolutely no laws and total anarchy chaos. Just admit you're closer to the latter than I am, ok? Albeit unbalanced.
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ultra magnus13
05/08/19 2:05:43 AM
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Moonjay posted...
I am a liberal so like not all liberals have a problem with the idea of enforced mental health care for people who are a known danger.

And for the record since the subject came up, I certainly don't mean mad doctor mutilation crap, I mean actual care. From caring professionals.

Like I got unwillingly put in a mental hospital for psychosis but I wasn't even a danger to others. And that's great, I needed it. I'm also not allowed to own a gun for five years from the last time I was in the hospital. Also fine. And yet people who beat their children, people who stalk and rape, people who are known to the police as dangerous don't get mental health care AND get to keep their guns. Madness.


"Known to be dangerous to the police" is pretty vague, but all of those other things make you a prohibited person when it comes to firearms.
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Keebs05
05/08/19 2:24:19 AM
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Moonjay posted...
Like I got unwillingly put in a mental hospital for psychosis but I wasn't even a danger to others. And that's great, I needed it. I'm also not allowed to own a gun for five years from the last time I was in the hospital. Also fine. And yet people who beat their children, people who stalk and rape, people who are known to the police as dangerous don't get mental health care AND get to keep their guns. Madness.

That's a breakdown and an overall indictment of the NICS background check and law enforcement responsibility. That's one of the first things that should really be revised. Revised, reworded, and more importantly, enforced. I believe it was the Stoneman Douglas shooting where we eventually learned that the police had been called to the shooter's home almost 50 times in a decade, a peer counselor and student resource officer had been informed of a suicide attempt and the desire to buy a gun, 2 counselors and a resource officer recommended a commitment for a mental evaluation, a youtube comment was investigated by the FBI, the FBI tip line was informed days before the shooting but "protocol wasn't followed" so the tip got buried and the complete lack of action of the Sheriff's Department.

Laws were already on the books but federal and state law enforcement failed. Before adding more laws, why not fix the ones already on the books?
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Mead
05/08/19 2:41:36 AM
#48:


Keebs05 posted...
Before adding more laws, why not fix the ones already on the books?


Because we can do more than one thing at a time. If we wait to have any kind of oversight until all other considerations have been dealt with then the can will get endlessly kicked down the road and a decade from now these shootings will be a daily occurrence
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Keebs05
05/08/19 3:30:07 AM
#49:


Mead posted...
Keebs05 posted...
Before adding more laws, why not fix the ones already on the books?


Because we can do more than one thing at a time.

Have you met your local politician?
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Mead
05/08/19 4:32:53 AM
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Keebs05 posted...
Mead posted...
Keebs05 posted...
Before adding more laws, why not fix the ones already on the books?


Because we can do more than one thing at a time.

Have you met your local politician?


Have you considered that it may be worth trying to do something, even if its difficult, to make vulnerable people get murdered not quite so often?
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darkknight109
05/08/19 4:36:06 AM
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No Way To Prevent This, Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

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ChaosAzeroth
05/08/19 4:38:24 AM
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Maybe stop allowing people to buy from gun shows without background checks? That might be a start?

Gun Show Background Checks State Laws. Known as the "gun show loophole," most states do not require background checks for firearms purchased at gun shows from private individuals -- federal law only requires licensed dealers to conduct checks. ... Some states' requirements are limited only to handgun purchases.
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