Board 8 > First baby born in Canada without assigned gender.

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Not that the baby was born in some ambiguous way, but the guardians don't want one recorded.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40480386

Parent Kori Doty - a non-binary transgender person who identifies as neither male nor female - aims to allow the child to discover their own gender.

The health card has been issued with a "U" in the space for "sex", which could be for "undetermined" or "unassigned".

Kori Doty is fighting to omit the gender from the birth certificate.

The parent gave birth to Searyl Atli in November at a friend's home in British Columbia. Kori Doty, who prefers to use the pronoun they, argues that a visual inspection at birth is unable to determine what gender that person will have or identify with later in life.

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Canadian media reported that the baby's health card could be the first in the world to not have a gender designation.

tbqh the only part that gets me is this

The family's lawyer, barbara findlay, who chooses to spell her name without capital letters, told Global News.....

I WILL NOT ALLOW IT
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GuessMyUserName posted...

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not spelling one's name with capital letters is maybe some kind of statement on perceived lack of self-importance. ironically, it causes the individual to stand out considerably more. i've noticed that people who refuse to type with capital letters are often very obsessed with themselves, however. like, look at me, i don't have time for caps. life can just wade by, what do i care? i'm just here to finish the job before security and the roboguards arrive. heh...
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i remember when vlado used to complain about people posting in lowercase to try to look cool

thats what i do
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it takes me more effort to post in all lowercase. but it's worth it if vlado thinks i look cool
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I post in lowercase when I'm being less serious, but I can't bring myself to do a lowercase "I"
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Use syntax you fucking heathens. Also congrats to the couple, I think I'm too old to be able to appreciate the mindset behind this, but as long as everyone's happy with it awesome.
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Jeff Zero posted...

i'm just here to finish the job before security and the roboguards arrive. heh...

same

Will they also spend no money on the baby to buy it necessities? Gotta let it discover its own social status too right?
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why the heck is gender a thing on birth certificates anyway? It doesn't make sense?

now sex is important to note for legal/medical use, but gender? wtf
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Applekidrose posted...

why the heck is gender a thing on birth certificates anyway? It doesn't make sense?

now sex is important to note for legal/medical use, but gender? wtf

It's not. They refused to note it's sex, not its gender. And this is incredibly stupid.
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I assume that a problem with the article, we just sex



but parents don't even want that listed since they think it will push the kids one way. I'm not really sure how they'll handle the whole "what's this thing between my legs?" question.

... Although that question makes me realize the parents are also kind of "unknowns" too (only mentioning a transgender parent "neither male nor female") so I really have no idea where that question might come up.
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Literally no one identifies with a gender because of their listed sex on a birth certificate.
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I know there are cases of kids that grew up being shocked at the revelation of their birth certificate not being what they thought it'd be!

because yeah we don't just look at our certs to start our days
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GuessMyUserName posted...

Searyl Atli

did they randomly generate characters until they got something pronouncable for the name or something
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the thing that gets me is that they dont actually believe this is in the childs best interests (because its not). they just want to be able to tell people they did it so they can receive praise for being some enlightened being
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That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.
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These people are heroes, and I hope their Tumblr community gives them the appreciation they were going for.
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GuessMyUserName posted...

The family's lawyer, barbara findlay, who chooses to spell her name without capital letters,

Eww.
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Sex isn't gender and letting a baby decide what's in their best interest is absolutely idiotic. Babies and children aren't adults capable of critical thinking regarding long term for the most part.
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I think this is like 2010's version of 90's goth, except instead of being dark and edgy, they're sickeningly pc and edgy and this time it's the rest of the world that wants to kill itself.

Tumblrinas global warming is your fault!
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bArBaRa fInDlAy
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These people make SBell look like Father of the Year
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Sex is biological and gender is a social construct. It irks me when the terms are interchanged freely.
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I was really really hoping that the parents would just be regular people and this wasn't just a political statement. Shame.
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ZaziGuado posted...

Sex is biological and gender is a social construct. It irks me when the terms are interchanged freely.

They are the same words.
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ProfitProphet posted...

GuessMyUserName posted...

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TomNook posted...

They are the same words.

in the same sense that atheist and agnostic are the same words
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I have a composer friend who goes by "j schlaerth" , but modern composers trying to be artsy with their names is kinda typical.
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I know a guy name John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, and his name is my name too.
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This is stupid.
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This only makes sense if there's some intersex shenanigans going on. Like the biological sex isn't clearly apparent
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GuessMyUserName posted...

I assume that a problem with the article, we just sex



but parents don't even want that listed since they think it will push the kids one way. I'm not really sure how they'll handle the whole "what's this thing between my legs?" question.

... Although that question makes me realize the parents are also kind of "unknowns" too (only mentioning a transgender parent "neither male nor female") so I really have no idea where that question might come up.

Ontario birth certificates are so much cooler than the ones issued in BC. I get jealous looking at my nephew's because it's bigger than the other three we have issued from BC combined
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DeepsPraw posted...

This only makes sense if there's some intersex shenanigans going on. Like the biological sex isn't clearly apparent

Yeah, this makes sense.
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https://youtu.be/NcHdF1eHhgc?t=3m52s
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Ugh. Fuck these parents and fuck this country.
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oh cool, I didn't realize the lawyer was barbara findlay. I've met her a few times while organizing workshops - she's a tremendous person.
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My fav professor had an all-lowercase name, even on his office name plaque they made it lowercase
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There's really no reason for sex to be listed on official documents anyway so good on them.
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my ontario birth certificate isn't that big, at least not the copy I have!
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maybe it's a recent thing? my nephew was born in '08, and his looks like the one you posted which was issued in '14
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I know a guy name John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, and his name is my name too.

Idk why but this killed me.
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ohhey I actually do have mine on me here for some reason

https://aerispies.com/i/ontariocert.jpg
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http://gazettereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Tomba-1.jpg

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for the record, Spencer Chandra Herbert, a long-time MLA and member of the party now ready to form government in BC, will likely push for legislation on the matter of adding a non-binary/anonymous option for birth certificates, and similar legislation is happening in more conservative parts of Canada like Alberta, so, like, this is a non-issue, get used to it Americans?
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It just doesn't make sense to me when this is medically and biologically relevant information. I'm not one to whine about "PC culture" but I feel this is overall doing a disservice to these kids as they grow up.
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The person who assigns you a gender is not the state. It is God. And this baby was, in fact, assigned one, no matter how much everyone tries to pretend otherwise.
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SmartMuffin posted...

The person who assigns you a gender is not the state. It is God. And this baby was, in fact, assigned one, no matter how much everyone tries to pretend otherwise.

Well then, once God shows his face and explains all this they'll sort it all out I guess.

Well it's good that gender isn't on the birth certificate then. Just sex
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The father's occupation was once added to a child's birth certificate. Does it really matter if sex is listed?

From a medical point of view doctors aren't looking at a patients birth certificate anyway.

I would have an issue if parents attempted to classify a biologically male child a female.
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