Board 8 > Controvery over new MTG art that features bears.

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TomNook
05/02/22 9:55:14 PM
#1:


Is this good for a kids card game?






There is already a shitstorm online over new card art for an old card called Bearscape.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/2/3/AAbtIzAADMTX.jpg

What do you think?

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MoogleKupo141
05/02/22 10:37:22 PM
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magics audience is on average older than Pokmon/Yugioh, its not really marketed as a thing for kids (its got 13+ on the packaging), so I think its fine

and this is a limited time availability version of a card that is only obtainable by purchasing it directly from WotCs website, so its not like a kid is going to randomly open it a booster pack or something

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MZero
05/02/22 10:43:10 PM
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is that guy in the back getting a handy

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Blaziken
05/02/22 10:48:04 PM
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Thank God I didn't come in here to find a picture of that banshee Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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MoogleKupo141
05/02/22 10:48:25 PM
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im pretty sure they did go back on the Chandra thing at some point and admitted it was a bit of a fuck up. I think some of the more recent stories have alluded to her attraction to women.

also another one of these pride month arts, Collective Voyage has her on it. Its not as blatant as the Saheeli/Huatli art, but its something

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/uguti1

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paperwarior
05/02/22 10:52:58 PM
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Blaziken posted...
Thank God I didn't come in here to find a picture of that banshee Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Hey, a banshee would make a perfectly fine MTG creature.

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Paratroopa1
05/02/22 11:27:57 PM
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awesome. also it's apparently a promo card so who gives a shit
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Kenri
05/02/22 11:34:30 PM
#10:


This is really, really funny and if people are actually mad about it that makes it even funnier.

Missed opportunity for a killer Phil Foglio art though

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Aecioo
05/02/22 11:35:14 PM
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oh shit i'm sorry

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Zachnorn
05/02/22 11:38:13 PM
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sorry for what

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pjbasis
05/03/22 12:02:02 AM
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Lmao

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Lucavi000
05/03/22 12:06:26 AM
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isnt this part of a secret lair drop?


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banananor
05/03/22 1:31:52 AM
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i like this. hopefully any controversy is light

Lucavi000 posted...
isnt this part of a secret lair drop?
yes https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/first-look-pride-across-multiverse-2022-05-02

Paratroopa1 posted...
awesome. also it's apparently a promo card so who gives a shit
also this. i'm not serious enough about the game to ever purchase a secret lair. if i were really hankering to get serious about modern or legacy or something i might


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banananor
05/03/22 1:43:35 AM
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ok, i've seen some "omg, how dare a company create a non-straight product without TRULY BELIEVING in it". pretty silly

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Bane_Of_Despair
05/03/22 7:02:39 AM
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As someone who this card is right up their alley for, lol

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MoogleKupo141
05/03/22 7:22:57 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
This is actually true though. If they actually want to be allies then the content should not be region locked.

They seem to have been a little over eager with the regions that have been locked out in this case, but in general I dont understand this position. (seems like they defaulted to off, then manually enabled it for certain countries. Theres no actual reason as far as I can tell to not allow it in South America. Its weird.)

there are countries where legally they cannot show this stuff. Thats the countrys governments fault, not the companys. Its preferable to make it available for some people than for no one at all.

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MrGreenonion
05/03/22 11:37:43 AM
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TomNook posted...
Is this good for a kids card game?
If a kid has $30 to special-order the Secret Lair that has this card in it then I say let them have it, they know what they want.

EDIT: Also ughhh another reason I need to seriously consider spending $80 on a Doubling Season for my Simic Tokens Commander deck, plus another $40 or whatever for Parallel Lives jeeze

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HashtagSEP
05/03/22 11:48:52 AM
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Maybe you should tell us why it's not good, TC.

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BlackMageJawa
05/03/22 12:57:33 PM
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What was the controversy with Chandra?

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TotallyNotMI
05/03/22 1:03:20 PM
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BlackMageJawa posted...
What was the controversy with Chandra?
For a while in the stories they were building up to a Chandra/Nissa pairing. Then in one of the books the author wrote... this... and actually thought it was good.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/9/8/AAcguBAADMZO.jpg

I've stopped reading the fiction after this book so I don't know what's come since then.

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Alanna82
05/03/22 1:31:43 PM
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Okay, my husband and I thought this was funny.

I thought this was going to be from an "un" set.

Not the first MTG art that has been controversial. (There's some really phallic art in I believe Mirage?)

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Lopen
05/03/22 1:59:26 PM
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TotallyNotMI posted...
For a while in the stories they were building up to a Chandra/Nissa pairing. Then in one of the books the author wrote... this... and actually thought it was good.

I've stopped reading the fiction after this book so I don't know what's come since then.

I think the most damning thing about that excerpt is there are 5 names mentioned in a passage that only needs 2 to convey its basic idea. Let's talk about Chandra and Nissa, but hey let's name drop Gideon Jura, Nicol Bolas, and Ral Zarek-- people love those guys!

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Emeraldegg
05/03/22 2:14:20 PM
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This is no different than any "controversy" about anything that portrays what some terrible people would classify as "SJW stuff." People complaining about this will complain about any medium that gives representation to sexual preferences they don't agree with.

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DeepsPraw
05/03/22 5:07:03 PM
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As a fat, hairy man, I feel personally objectified. Seriously though, from what I understand about WOTC's policies, this art would be completely unacceptable in a main set and is extremely questionable as a Secret Lair.

Maybe WOTC has changed their policy on sexual content, but as recently as 2 years ago they banned someone from their content creator program for "sexualizing" Magic. So it seems a bit odd that they'd greenlight a explicitly sexual card like this. Honestly I'm all for softcore porn on Magic cards. Hopefully this means bikini babe pinups are on the horizon.

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Chaeix
05/03/22 5:23:27 PM
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this is hilarious

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Lucavi000
05/03/22 7:46:50 PM
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banananor posted...
i like this. hopefully any controversy is light

yes https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/first-look-pride-across-multiverse-2022-05-02

also this. i'm not serious enough about the game to ever purchase a secret lair. if i were really hankering to get serious about modern or legacy or something i might

yeah that was my point, its a promo card essentially so it will more than likely never actually be seen in the wild in a deck lol

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HeroDelTiempo17
05/03/22 7:53:54 PM
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TotallyNotMI posted...
I've stopped reading the fiction after this book so I don't know what's come since then.

That's what MoogleKupo was alluding to, this was a retcon that has itself been retconned. The backlash was significant and she's gay again (although I don't think with Nissa).

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Aecioo
05/03/22 7:54:04 PM
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DeepsPraw posted...
As a fat, hairy man, I feel personally objectified. Seriously though, from what I understand about WOTC's policies, this art would be completely unacceptable in a main set and is extremely questionable as a Secret Lair.

Maybe WOTC has changed their policy on sexual content, but as recently as 2 years ago they banned someone from their content creator program for "sexualizing" Magic. So it seems a bit odd that they'd greenlight a explicitly sexual card like this. Honestly I'm all for softcore porn on Magic cards. Hopefully this means bikini babe pinups are on the horizon.

shut up guiga


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MoogleKupo141
05/03/22 7:55:42 PM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
That's what MoogleKupo was alluding to, this was a retcon that has itself been retconned. The backlash was significant and she's gay again.

shes bi or pan. I dont think the intent was ever for her to not be into men too

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neonreaper
05/03/22 7:59:35 PM
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That one dude looks like a total third wheel

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Aecioo
05/03/22 8:01:39 PM
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neonreaper posted...
That one dude looks like a total third wheel

plz no kink shaming

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Pokalicious
05/03/22 8:21:30 PM
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What's the old art?

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Bane_Of_Despair
05/03/22 8:23:33 PM
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Banned actually, you can only use gay bears now for the card

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NFUN
05/03/22 8:24:57 PM
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
Banned actually, you can only use gay bears now for the card
how do you know that the old bears arent gay

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banananor
05/03/22 8:39:09 PM
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Aecioo posted...
shut up guiga
deeps is guiga? it all makes sense now

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paperwarior
05/04/22 12:18:23 AM
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NFUN posted...
how do you know that the old bears arent gay

It's not a safe assumption. You shouldn't assume things about actual ursine bears. It might make them mad.

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Waluigi1
05/04/22 12:37:30 AM
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This is real??? How do I get it??

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UshiromiyaEva
05/04/22 1:13:50 AM
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TotallyNotMI posted...
For a while in the stories they were building up to a Chandra/Nissa pairing. Then in one of the books the author wrote... this... and actually thought it was good.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/9/8/AAcguBAADMZO.jpg

I've stopped reading the fiction after this book so I don't know what's come since then.

NGL the writing for the average fanfic for children's cartoons is better than this.

Like if I pick a random Amphibia fanfic it has a 50% chance at bare minimum of being better.

This is like that one Mass effect book when the ninja eats Anderson's cereal.

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ChichiriMuyo
05/04/22 1:29:01 AM
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DeepsPraw posted...
As a fat, hairy man, I feel personally objectified. Seriously though, from what I understand about WOTC's policies, this art would be completely unacceptable in a main set and is extremely questionable as a Secret Lair.

Maybe WOTC has changed their policy on sexual content, but as recently as 2 years ago they banned someone from their content creator program for "sexualizing" Magic. So it seems a bit odd that they'd greenlight a explicitly sexual card like this. Honestly I'm all for softcore porn on Magic cards. Hopefully this means bikini babe pinups are on the horizon.
Lizbeth Eden wasn't removed from the content creator program for any MtG art she created, she was removed for using MtG related art to promote her Only Fans. She was literally using their product to sell her porn, and it's their right to sever ties with her for that. Nothing about this art or literally hundreds of other "sexualized" pieces of MtG art violates their policy because it's actually a very liberal policy. What she did went well beyond the bounds.

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Waluigi1
05/04/22 1:29:58 AM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
NGL the writing for the average fanfic for children's cartoons is better than this.

Like if I pick a random Amphibia fanfic it has a 50% chance at bare minimum of being better.

This is like that one Mass effect book when the ninja eats Anderson's cereal.
Yeah that writing is legitimately grade school writing. I've read random erotic fiction much better written lol.

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banananor
05/04/22 1:45:15 AM
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Waluigi1 posted...
This is real??? How do I get it??
pay way too much money for cardboard online https://secretlair.wizards.com/us

Lucavi000 posted...
yeah that was my point, its a promo card essentially so it will more than likely never actually be seen in the wild in a deck lol
you'd be surprised. mtg players love to bling out their junk

and it's a reskinned version of an existing card so who knows https://www.cardkingdom.com/mtg/odyssey/bearscape

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banananor
05/04/22 1:45:33 AM
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oh and yeah, i don't read the mtg books

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DeepsPraw
05/04/22 1:53:46 AM
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ChichiriMuyo posted...
Lizbeth Eden wasn't removed from the content creator program for any MtG art she created, she was removed for using MtG related art to promote her Only Fans. She was literally using their product to sell her porn, and it's their right to sever ties with her for that. Nothing about this art or literally hundreds of other "sexualized" pieces of MtG art violates their policy because it's actually a very liberal policy. What she did went well beyond the bounds.
Fair enough. I wasn't able to find any official word from WOTC on any sexual content policy. Still think it's awfully strange that straight-up fetish art is on an official card, especially nowadays.

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Kenri
05/04/22 2:58:25 AM
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I'm not sure how this is fetish art just because it has gay people on it?

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Chaeix
05/04/22 3:14:23 AM
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Kenri posted...
I'm not sure how this is fetish art just because it has gay people on it?
because it has a pun, obviously. puns are just too kinky

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DeepsPraw
05/04/22 8:29:18 PM
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Kenri posted...
I'm not sure how this is fetish art just because it has gay people on it?
If they just wanted burly guys for a bear pun, they could have been fully clothed, sitting around a campfire or something. Instead it's an orgy.

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