Board 8 > Don't tell me what I can't do: a 10-year LOST retrospective/character ranking

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SeabassDebeste
03/01/21 1:13:07 PM
#251:


this seems criminally low for jin given some of the people above him, including lapidus
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GameStonk
03/01/21 1:39:07 PM
#252:


SeabassDebeste posted...
this seems criminally low for jin given some of the people above him, including lapidus
that's how bad Jin's death was
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andylt
03/01/21 1:49:01 PM
#253:


Lapidus! He survives explosions because he's the only pilot, Lapidus!

Not a big Frank fan but he had good memes. Jin is too low but his ending really was atrocious. At the time I was just shocked and took it as a good twist, but looking back them cutting off Jin+Sun+Sayid like that was awful (not to mention how they iced all the major non-white characters left in one go).

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PrivateBiscuit1
03/01/21 1:50:07 PM
#254:


I mean, Jin's death is truly, really just a betrayal of all of his character development and entirely baffling why they did that.

Like what the fuck. How do two people involved with the entire development of Sun and Jin's story and do a reasonably good job of it make that call at the end to go "Nah, we're gonna orphan a child"?

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Underleveled
03/01/21 1:50:13 PM
#255:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Doesn't he have like five lines in the last season or some ridiculous number?
There's a YouTube video of the extent of his screen time in the final season and it's hilariously short. Even more ridiculous- that was the season when his actor, Jeff Fahey, was finally billed as main cast instead of a guest star.

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colliding
03/01/21 3:34:37 PM
#256:


Frank rules and is totally better than stupid Jin

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AlecTrevelyan006
03/01/21 7:10:42 PM
#257:


Mega Mana posted...
The only main character is the fishbiscuit.

Also, in honor of Kate getting ranked, @AlecTrevelyan006


I hadn't logged into GameFAQs since June of 2020 until yesterday when I logged in on a whim.

I saw I had notifications, and now I have to read a whole damn topic.

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Underleveled
03/01/21 7:35:49 PM
#258:


andylt posted...
(not to mention how they iced all the major non-white characters left in one go).
Oof, this thought never occurred to me. Hurley was BIPOC though. Otherwise who was the most significant non-white character that survived the series? Probably Miles, right?

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MoogleKupo141
03/01/21 7:36:48 PM
#259:


Lapidus rules and its fucked up that he never got his own episode, but also maybe for the best because he didnt need more backstory. Hes just a cool dude.
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Underleveled
03/01/21 7:40:44 PM
#260:


6. Jin-Soo Kwon
7. ???
8. Alex Rousseau
9. ???
10. Sun-Hwa Kwon
11. ???
12. Frank Lapidus
13. ???
14. Danielle Rousseau
15. Penny Widmore
16. Jack Shephard
17. ???
18. Daniel Faraday
19. Ana-Lucia Cortez
20. ???
21. Kate Austen
22. Richard Alpert
23. ???
24. ???
25. Mr. Eko
26. Michael Dawson
27. Eloise Hawking
28. Jacob
29. Charles Widmore
30. Walt Lloyd
31. Claire Littleton
32. Pierre Chang
33. Libby Smith
34. Charlotte Lewis
35. Ilana Verdanksy
36. Shannon Rutherford
37. Boone Carlyle
38. Martin Keamy
39. Paulo
40. Nikki Fernandez

We've finally cut further into my top 10, but my top 5 remains intact.

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GameStonk
03/01/21 9:09:03 PM
#261:


#12. Juliet Burke


And here we are! Coincidentally my 32-year-old self's choice for Hottest on the Island is also the best (main) female character on LOST. And I mean this as no insult to Juliet, who is great, but it is a sad state of affairs when the best female lead they could write isn't even in the top 10.

Juliet is kind of a slow burn. She's a bit of a bitch and very untrustworthy when we first meet her, and we're unsure if her ploy to get Jack to kill Ben is genuine or simply a power move. But Juliet's backstory really helps turn her into a true protagonist. She is basically a prisoner on the Island, trapped in a never-ending series of miscarriages and death. It's incredibly miserable and makes you want her to get home more than half of the Flight 815 folks.

But where Juliet really shines is in her relationship with Sawyer. In many ways, she is the anti-Kate--someone who makes her partner better, keeps them out of drama, can take care of herself, and generally doesn't fuck everything up. And given how badly the writers destroyed these kinds of self-reliant characters in season 6, her death in the first episode seems more like a mercy killing.
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MoogleKupo141
03/01/21 9:13:45 PM
#262:


without thinking about it too hard, I think Juliet should probably be in the actual top ten but oh well

its been so long since the show ended Im having trouble remembering what my actual ranking would be. Its obviously Desmond, Hurley, Ben as top three I think.
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LordoftheMorons
03/01/21 9:17:29 PM
#263:


Pretty certain Juliet would be in my top 10 as well

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PrivateBiscuit1
03/01/21 9:18:14 PM
#264:


Looking at who is left, I think Juliet definitely makes top ten, but not top five for me.

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Mega Mana
03/01/21 9:32:15 PM
#265:


<3 Alec

Juliet and Jin are both top five for me.

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Underleveled
03/01/21 9:36:46 PM
#266:


And I jinxed it. My top 5 has been penetrated.

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GameStonk
03/01/21 9:37:11 PM
#267:


It's about that part of the list when I'll be knocking off peoples' favs I guess

Did I get anyone's #1 yet? The only one I could see being at the top of a list is Faraday
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Naye745
03/01/21 9:39:32 PM
#268:


reading through this list, the more i am reminded of how god awful season 6 was, and how much i want there to be a re-working of the ending, end of evangelion style

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Snake5555555555
03/01/21 9:40:30 PM
#269:


I know haven't commented at all but have been reading, my #1 has not shown up yet.

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Underleveled
03/01/21 9:42:32 PM
#270:


Given who's left, I'm predicting Desmond, Hurley, Ben, Locke, and Sawyer are the top 5, in no particular order.

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LordoftheMorons
03/01/21 9:42:40 PM
#271:


I would be shocked if a list had my #1 (Desmond) outside their top 10...!

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GameStonk
03/01/21 9:57:33 PM
#272:


#11. Sayid Jarrah


My relationship with Sayid has been a roller coaster. Besides Kate (obviously), he was probably my least liked of the season 1-6ers when I first watched the show 10 years ago. I couldn't even really tell you why--maybe it was the lame Shannon angle, maybe it was because of the dumb James Bond flash forwards, maybe because I had a hard time finding redemption in a career torturer. I don't know. But something changed upon by second watch-through.

Through all of the silliness of his B-stories, Sayid actually comes across as one of the only competent, logical people on the Island. It almost became a joke as I watched multiple episodes a day--practically every other scene consists of Sayid being asked to go on some mission in the jungle or solve a problem or do something otherwise important. All because everyone else from Flight 815 is a moron (Charlie et al), physically incapable (Hurley et al), or a raving lunatic who constantly makes horrible decisions (Jack, Locke, et al). Sayid is the only reliable person there, yet the worst things constantly happen to him and he just has to keep pushing ahead anyway. And I love it so much.

But then the roller coaster dips back down again. Season 6. Zombie Sayid. Without any exaggeration, Sayid in season 6 is the worst season for a character in the show. It is profoundly stupid. He dies and is resurrected as a "bad man," except he doesn't really do anything evil. He sort of just stares blankly in a comically idiotic manner and, I repeat, does nothing all season until he decides not to be evil and (in unintentionally racist irony) suicide bombs himself in the submarine. I don't think anyone even talks about him again after this. Literally. It's unbelievable.

It was a sad end for a character that really redeemed himself in my eyes, but I still enjoyed the journey.
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GameStonk
03/01/21 10:00:46 PM
#273:


1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11. Sayid
12. Juliet
13. Frank
14. Jin
15. Faraday
16. Penny
17. Keamy
18. Jackface Line of Demarcation
19. Sun
20. Rousseau
21. Richard
22. Widmore
23. Dr. Chang Fodder Line
24. Jacob
25. Eko
26. Alex
27. Claire
28. Boone
29. Libby
30. Walt
31. Eloise
32. Shannon
33. Charlotte
34. Michael
35. Kate
36. Ilana
37. Paulo & Nikki
38. Ana Lucia
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Underleveled
03/01/21 10:01:04 PM
#274:


Season 6 (and to a lesser degree season 5) destroyed Sayid for me. He would have been top 10 easily, teetering on top 5, for seasons 1-4, but I can't put him in there after those last two seasons.

Further argument that the show should have ended with season 4 and gotten everyone off the island on the freighter.

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PrivateBiscuit1
03/01/21 10:03:06 PM
#275:


https://youtu.be/PtVRKsssS44

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mnkboy907
03/01/21 10:05:12 PM
#276:


lol I just realized one of the two characters you weren't even going to originally include is in your Top 10.

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PrivateBiscuit1
03/01/21 10:05:37 PM
#277:


Also, Zombie Sayid was so bad so stupid just why do they do these things in season 6 what why???

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GameStonk
03/01/21 10:07:01 PM
#278:


mnkboy907 posted...
lol I just realized one of the two characters you weren't even going to originally include is in your Top 10.
part of the reason why I didn't want to include him is that it's almost unfair that he is not tainted by any Island storylines
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MoogleKupo141
03/01/21 10:11:48 PM
#279:


it feels like they were writing the ending and realized they didnt have anything for some of the characters to do, so they just decided to blow them all up at once so they wouldnt have to deal with it

it really is a bummer that three of the better characters on the show all went out at once like that
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colliding
03/01/21 10:15:06 PM
#280:


Season 6 Sayid is the stupidest plot development ever. I swear the writers/producers must've just hated Sayid and wanted to kill him earlier, but his contract or something prevented it. It's horrible.

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ElizeLutus
03/01/21 10:15:10 PM
#281:


These days I feel like Lost's writers were really lucky and stumbled onto some good ideas and good casting, but had no idea how to finish a mystery or write compelling female characters. Their male characters weren't necessarily a LOT better written, but were more likable because their actors did phenomenal jobs. The actresses on the show never had much of a chance, because their characters sole purpose seemed to be to serve as a love interest to somebody. At least among the main characters.

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andylt
03/01/21 10:17:44 PM
#282:


Underleveled posted...
Hurley was BIPOC though.
Whoops my bad.

IMO Sayid gets screwed in the later seasons more than anyone else in the show, and I do not say that lightly. If I were Naveen Andrews I'd be furious with how they destroyed Sayid and wasted my talents.

Aw Juliet would be in my top ten (probably top 5 if I thought about it), but at least she's high. Hmm, who's left anyway? Desmond #1, Sawyer, Ben, Locke, Hurley, Charlie, Miles, Rose+Bernard... jeez who the heck am I forgetting?!

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AlecTrevelyan006
03/01/21 10:18:56 PM
#283:


Sayid writeup needs more "I don't know how long the batteries will last"
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GameStonk
03/01/21 10:23:11 PM
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AlecTrevelyan006
03/01/21 10:24:45 PM
#285:


Okay well I read through this entire topic.

On one hand it is nice to bring back some happy memories. I recently watched Desmond's phone call from The Constant and still got choked up, one of the most emotional moments in TV history. But it also brings back a lot of frustration about how much wasted potential there was. Sun and Jin's ending. All the rules that didn't actually matter in any way (like Ben killing Widmore). All of the Jacob stuff. The entirety of season 6.

I wonder if Lindelof and Cuse could time travel back to season 1 now with full knowledge of what happened in the show and all the criticism... could they make it into the show that it had the potential to be?

Anyone solid topic I appreciate the writeups and agree with the vast majority of what was said in them, and I also enjoyed reading all the other posters' opinions that have been expressed in here. But if Desmond isn't #1 then this whole topic is disavowed.
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MajinZidane
03/01/21 10:30:25 PM
#286:


when's the next rap battle tho?

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LordoftheMorons
03/01/21 10:35:12 PM
#287:


Well I was gonna comment on S6 tanking Sayid when he came up, but I see thats been well covered...!

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GameStonk
03/01/21 10:36:28 PM
#288:


#10. Rose and Bernard Nadler


This may seem like a strange placement for such a relatively minor duo, but I will contend that Rose and Bernard have the most complete and most satisfying story of any characters on the show. It's seriously amazing how beautifully they pull it off and how much they restrain themselves from ruining them in the latter seasons. It's perfect.

We first meet Rose, quiet and hopeful, almost quixotically still believing that he husband is alive somewhere. The other survivors let her be and we kind of forget about her for awhile. But lo and behold, season 2 comes around and we actually continue to thread this plot line through.

Bernard: "My wife, Rose...is she on the other part of the Island?"
Sawyer: "Black chick? Yeah, she's there."

The realization on Bernard's face is one of the most touching and memorable parts of the series, and you want nothing more than for them to reunite. And its pays off perfectly.

But they didn't just stop there. Rose, like Locke, understands the healing power of the Island. We see her journey with cancer unfold in her flashback as her relationship with Bernard also grows before our eyes. This soon becomes the silver lining to all of the absolute horror and misery of the Island--although they are hopeless to be rescued, it means that Rose and Bernard will be able to live out their days, together, and that's all that matters.

Bringing them back with Vincent in season 6 was a really nice touch. In the midst of the chaos and time travel, Rose and Bernard are still keeping on--and nothing can stop them from having a happy ending.
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AlecTrevelyan006
03/01/21 10:38:10 PM
#289:


MajinZidane posted...
when's the next rap battle tho?

My verses are like GRR Martin novels. They get further and further apart until it's been 10 years and you just know I'm gonna die before I finish another one.
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MoogleKupo141
03/01/21 10:41:08 PM
#290:


I know there were people upset about S.O.S. being filler or something, but I loved that episode and was so happy to see Rose and Bernard get their time to shine.

If there had been a few more episodes like that, telling one good story focused on minor characters instead of pulling a seventh Kate flashback out of their butt, season 3 would have been a little better.
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PrivateBiscuit1
03/01/21 10:41:15 PM
#291:


AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
I wonder if Lindelof and Cuse could time travel back to season 1 now with full knowledge of what happened in the show and all the criticism... could they make it into the show that it had the potential to be?
Judging by the quality of their other shows I would say definitely. They have a lot better grasp on how to create something compelling now and learned a ton from Lost, clearly.

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VintageGin
03/01/21 10:58:28 PM
#292:


God, reading through this has me frustrated over season 6 all over again.

I think the most frustrating thing is hearing people defend that season with "it's all about the characters!" after the submarine episode.

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AlecTrevelyan006
03/01/21 10:59:41 PM
#293:


Some other people may be unhappy about Rose and Bernard ranking so high, but I fully support that decision. Not the most complicated characters, but the execution of their very limited arc is very good, and as you said, they DIDN'T get ruined by the end of the show, which is incredibly rare.
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VintageGin
03/01/21 11:04:09 PM
#294:


Also just gonna say I really did not care for Juliet and did not get why people liked her so much. I feel like people were so desperate for a good female main that they were like "well, at least she's better than Kate." And then the show literally nuked her. (lol)

Also Juliet's actress for some reason had this weird smirk on her face constantly, and it annoyed me for some reason.

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VintageGin
03/01/21 11:05:43 PM
#295:


Also, I too fully support ranking Rose/Bernard so high. As relatively minor as they were, I feel like their story played out perfectly.

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Underleveled
03/01/21 11:08:41 PM
#296:


andylt posted...
Hmm, who's left anyway? Desmond #1, Sawyer, Ben, Locke, Hurley, Charlie, Miles, Rose+Bernard... jeez who the heck am I forgetting?!
Christian and the Man in Black.

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WazzupGenius00
03/01/21 11:10:59 PM
#297:


pre-S6 Sayid is probably top 3 for me, the interrogation of Henry Gale is possibly my favorite sequence in the show (even though him caring so much about Shannon is still unconvincing). S6 Sayid is so bad I probably wouldn't rank the character overall in my top 10

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PrivateBiscuit1
03/01/21 11:39:51 PM
#298:


Worth noting is that interracial couples were still kind of taboo in TV at the time Rose and Bernard were a thing, and I always appreciated Lost did that.

Aside from that, great, simple background story they had. Just a basic story that works so well for this. I did love how they were just eventually like "We're not getting involved in your silly bullshit just let us fucking hang out on an island Jesus what are you guys even doing messing with all this shit like this is DUMB do you feel dumb doing it you fucking losers because you should."

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Underleveled
03/01/21 11:50:59 PM
#299:


Rose and Bernard never being added to the main cast when Ilana, Nikki and Paulo got to have that distinction was criminal btw.

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AlecTrevelyan006
03/01/21 11:54:44 PM
#300:


I honestly have zero memory of Ilana existing.

I saw her entry and had to google who she was.
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