Poll of the Day > Election interference incoming!

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Reports say Russian, China, and Iran all have their reasons to interfere in our election, and its incoming.

https://youtu.be/5KlWj-Vox0c

Russia favors Trump. China thinks Trump is unpredictable. And Iran just wants to undermine our election, although Im sure theyre not big Trump fans.

Despite all this, weak ass Democrats STILL want to pass a bill on election interference. Hahaha. They should just sit back and accept the help the same way the GOP did. I have more faith in Chinas hacking skills than I do Russias.

Cant wait to hear the GOP take outside interference seriously once theyre the victim of it.

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"Interference" as in Facebook ads?
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Not to mention extensive review of and discarding of suspected, fraudulent, stolen, etc ballots.

its election 2000 all over again.

America is so great that every country gets to vote!

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Blightzkrieg posted...

America is so great that every country gets to vote!

Just not the ones from shithole countries . /s

Blightzkrieg posted...

America is so great that every country gets to vote!

Nice
I'm Canadian maybe I'll mail a vote too!
I don't like Trump but I'll vote for him for the lolz

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HornedLion posted...

China thinks Trump is unpredictable.

Uh, no, China thinks Trump is bad for trade because he's trade-blocking them.

HornedLion posted...

Despite all this, weak ass Democrats STILL want to pass a bill on election interference.

lolwut? Democrats don't really want to do anything about election interference, which is why they're pushing mail-in ballots so hard. If anything, they *want* to hurt the election process.

HornedLion posted... They should just sit back and accept the help the same way the GOP did.

You mean how they "helped" by having their agents provide the Clinton campaign with a slew of impossible-to-substantiate (but likely false) claims to hurt Trump?

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HornedLion posted...

Russia favors Trump. China thinks Trump is unpredictable. And Iran just wants to undermine our election, although Im sure theyre not big Trump fans.

Despite all this, weak ass Democrats STILL want to pass a bill on election interference. Hahaha. They should just sit back and accept the help the same way the GOP did. I have more faith in Chinas hacking skills than I do Russias.

Cant wait to hear the GOP take outside interference seriously once theyre the victim of it.

Even putting aside whether Dems should welcome the help just to spite the GOP for what they did 4 years ago (I disagree), you're being ridiculously optimistic.

Russia's the most adept at it and they're FIRMLY pro-Trump. Putin loves having his puppet being in office.

China as you said is unpredictable. I'm sure they dislike some of Trump's policies, but Trump gives them a lot of money from the factories where the MAGA hats are made and all of those erroneously sent stimulus checks. Plus they want to supplant U.S. as the top economic power, and Trump is like a gift from heaven to cripple their competition (ie, us). Don't count on them wanting to help Dems.

Iran is the only one that should REALLY hate Trump and want him out... he reneged on the nuclear deal and brazenly assassinated one of their top leaders. They're also way less powerful than the other two and too chicken shit to risk the ire of the U.S.

If anyone's getting a boost from foreign help, it's Trump. You're a fool if you think otherwise.

trump administration has actually stated that Russia is already in the process of trying to influence the election in favor of trump

theyre official stance is that theyre against it, but at the same time they dont plan on doing anything about it

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streamofthesky posted...

Even putting aside whether Dems should welcome the help just to spite the GOP for what they did 4 years ago (I disagree), you're being ridiculously optimistic.

Again, Russia's actions hurt both sides in 2016.

streamofthesky posted...

Putin loves having his puppet being in office.

lololololol This is a thing people somehow believe. And why do they believe it? Because of the Steele Dossier, which the Russian government handed to Hillary's agents who dispersed it to the press in an attempt to gain political advantage. And keep in mind that the FBI's working theory had been that Russia was looking to undermine the election as a whole, a narrative that only changed when the FBI became more firmly anti-Trump.

streamofthesky posted...

I'm sure they dislike some of Trump's policies, but Trump gives them a lot of money from the factories where the MAGA hats are made and all of those erroneously sent stimulus checks.

It's hilarious that believe that.

streamofthesky posted...

Plus they want to supplant U.S. as the top economic power, and Trump is like a gift from heaven to cripple their competition (ie, us).

...except for the fact that China has been seriously hurt by the tariffs and China's growth has been largely linked to the US's purchasing habits.

streamofthesky posted...

Iran is the only one that should REALLY hate Trump and want him out... he reneged on the nuclear deal and brazenly assassinated one of their top leaders. They're also way less powerful than the other two and too chicken shit to risk the ire of the U.S.

Iran hates both sides regardless. That deal was massively unpopular within the nation.

streamofthesky posted...

If anyone's getting a boost from foreign help, it's Trump.

...except for the fact that almost every first-world nation favors Biden and is working to his favor. Foreign help goes a lot further than just potential illegal activities.

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advertising and propaganda isn't interference
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

advertising and propaganda isn't interference

If russia interfered last go round then Google and Twitter did and DEFINITELY are this time around

streamofthesky posted...

China as you said is unpredictable. I'm sure they dislike some of Trump's policies, but Trump gives them a lot of money from the factories where the MAGA hats are made and all of those erroneously sent stimulus checks

You really think some maga hats compares to trade wars? Lmao. You've read way too many cnn articles.

And I know firsthand the trade war is at least doing something for better or worse. The company I work for had to start importing from Vietnam instead of China. I'm sure we weren't the only ones

OhhhJa posted...

You really think some maga hats compares to trade wars? Lmao. You've read way too many cnn articles.

That bit was more tongue-in-cheek than anything, to mock Trump's anti-China stance while he and Ivanka hypocritically use Chinese labor to produce their crap. I thought the next sentence laughing at their fuck up of sending stimulus money to China made that obvious.

Trade wars hurt both us and China, though. Trump's had to push for government handouts to farmers and others in the U.S. hurt by it (at least, the rural and red state portions of the economy hurt by it...). And he's started shit w/ Canada, Europe, and other places besides China, so he's hurt more than just China's economy. If he were actually focused on them, it might be more effective.

streamofthesky posted...

That bit was more tongue-in-cheek than anything, to mock Trump's anti-China stance while he and Ivanka hypocritically use Chinese labor to produce their crap. I thought the next sentence laughing at their fuck up of sending stimulus money to China made that obvious.

Trade wars hurt both us and China, though. Trump's had to push for government handouts to farmers and others in the U.S. hurt by it (at least, the rural and red state portions of the economy hurt by it...). And he's started shit w/ Canada, Europe, and other places besides China, so he's hurt more than just China's economy. If he were actually focused on them, it might be more effective.

Of course, in the short term, a trade war with a country we've relied on for nearly all manufacturing is gonna cause some growing pains in the short term but I think its absolutely necessary that we start seeking a way out of that relationship. Not just because of their blatant and numerous human rights abuses but also because they absolutely have the upperhand

OhhhJa posted...

Of course, in the short term, a trade war with a country we've relied on for nearly all manufacturing is gonna cause some growing pains in the short term but I think its absolutely necessary that we start seeking a way out of that relationship. Not just because of their blatant and numerous human rights abuses but also because they absolutely have the upperhand

Our problem is deeper than just China. We rely way too much on foreign manufacturing and labor, and automation and improved artificial intelligence is going to devastate our jobs even worse than outsourcing.

Trump's been speaking loudly and threatening with a relatively tiny stick (metaphorically), the opposite approach we need (thank you as always Teddy).
Instead of loudly squawking at China while...putting a small dent in their economy....
We should be re-writing our corporate tax code. Get rid of all the tax breaks and loopholes. There should only be tax breaks based on: a) number of legal U.S. residents are employed as a ratio to their earnings (part time workers count as a fraction of an employee); and maybe b) a tax break based on the ratio of either the lowest wage or median employee wage vs. the highest paid (to encourage paying employees well and not having OBSCENE amounts of executive compensation).
And basing corporate earnings on point of sale, so it doesn't fucking matter if Apple's "headquarters" is "in Ireland", they get taxed by the U.S. for all their sales to U.S. customers, period. Fuck corporate inversion.

That would hurt China without specifically antagonizing them, and slow the spread of automation as well. I suppose you could offer smaller tax breaks to foreign companies from certain countries that are both a) strong allies of the U.S. and b) have a cost of living comparable to ours (so they can't be exploited for outsourcing of cheap labor). So like... Europe, Japan, Canada, etc...
I don't know, just a baseline idea...

They're not interfering with our elections like people make it out to be unless they are literally fudging the results. And they can't do that. Only local and state officials can fudge the numbers, and when they do there's a shit load of noise coming from local officials down the totem pole.

Like when Pete Buttigieg "won" Iowa. (and then lost every other state miserably)

So realistically... there's no interference. I'm sure they would looove it if they could.

And if there are ads on the internet from Russia or bots from Russia shilling for some politician... welcome to the internet. Congratulations. It's an outsourced advertising campaign. Yes, there's no way X politician could have bought that without the "aid" of Russia's $300,000.

Yawn.

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Yellow posted...

Only local and state officials can fudge the numbers, and when they do there's a s*** load of noise coming from local officials down the totem pole.

This is what I've been saying. Our government keeps pointing the finger outward because the real threat to our democracy is within

I just hope somebody leaks the DNC emails again. dont really care who

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OhhhJa posted...

This is what I've been saying. Our government keeps pointing the finger outward because the real threat to our democracy is within

We all need to get together and advocate for a voting system based around encryption and checksums that would make it impossible to rig locally without leaving evidence.

None of this outsourced app bullshit.

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OniRonin posted...

I just hope somebody leaks the DNC emails again. dont really care who

as long as RNC emails get leaked as well Im all for it

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

advertising and propaganda isn't interference

And yet mainstream Democrats literally cited Russian propaganda and advertisements as interference.

streamofthesky posted...

Trade wars hurt both us and China, though. Trump's had to push for government handouts to farmers and others in the U.S. hurt by it (at least, the rural and red state portions of the economy hurt by it...). And he's started shit w/ Canada, Europe, and other places besides China, so he's hurt more than just China's economy. If he were actually focused on them, it might be more effective.

Free trade with China also hurts us. It's what decimated a lot of industries. And while there are trade-offs in the tariff war, it unilaterally hurts China.

Yellow posted...

They're not interfering with our elections like people make it out to be unless they are literally fudging the results. And they can't do that. Only local and state officials can fudge the numbers, and when they do there's a shit load of noise coming from local officials down the totem pole.

Like when Pete Buttigieg "won" Iowa. (and then lost every other state miserably)

Wait, are you accusing Iowa of rigging things for Mayor Pete solely on the grounds that he didn't win anywhere else?

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who cares if they interfere? your system already has you choosing between two buffoons anyway.

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Zeus posted...

Wait, are you accusing Iowa of rigging things for Mayor Pete solely on the grounds that he didn't win anywhere else?

No, there were many counties that spoke up and said their vote was flipped, and the vast majority of flipped votes went to buttigieg. And they never corrected the votes.

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