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Solid Snake07
08/02/20 10:32:59 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
Communism is inherently for small/no government


Give your head a shake

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ThyCorndog
08/02/20 10:33:37 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Imagine supporting third party and timed exclusives

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uwnim
08/02/20 10:37:25 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
No it's exacly as stupid cause it's the same thing. Product branding isn't a monopoly. Leveraging all other competition out of the the market is a monopoly.

Just cause burger king sells whoppers doesn't mean mcdonalds can't sell a burger on a sesame seed bun with mayo lettuce onion and tomato. Just because sony developed the last of us doesn't mean other developers can't make survival horror games.
There would be significanly more differences between the two games than between the two burgers. The burgers are effectively the same product, the games are not.

Exclusive games do make the market less free. Reduces the potential reach of the games and causes the competition between systems to be less on price, design and performance.

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Shablagoo
08/02/20 10:41:07 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Give your head a shake

You refuse to engage with anything I presnt, so Im done responding to you. Peace.

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MrMallard
08/02/20 10:41:55 AM
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OP is dumb bait but I thought I'd answer anyway.

The issue with exclusives is that by and large, they don't need to exist any more. Console architecture is so similar to PC architecture that it fundamentally doesn't matter what a game is playing on - a PS4 could run Halo: MCC, and an Xbone could run Bloodborne. Everything is made for an engine that can be run by a decent enough piece of hardware - which tends to be all/most consoles + PC. Games have evolved past the technical limitations that arguably birthed console exclusivity to begin with - hardware differences aren't as drastic as the differences between the SNES and Genesis, or the N64 and PS1. Everything is basically a PC nowadays, just with different window dressing and slightly different power needs.

That doesn't mean that exclusivity isn't justified - if a company holds the rights to a property, they can keep it confined to one system as a "draw", or to preserve some sort of integrity they perceive the original game to have on a platform of choice, or just because it's "theirs". Stuff like PC developers who don't port to consoles, or companies who bankrolled a game's development and/or acquired a studio to create games for their own platform specifically. But the understanding is that there isn't really a major technical reason for anything to be exclusive to one platform any more.

So when there's a game that can (and will) be ported to everything under the sun - PS4, Xbone, Switch, PC, mobile - and the only reason it's not appearing on everything is because a company paid for timed exclusivity, it feels cheap and fake. It stirs up "console war" bullshit for a product that ultimately won't play into console war bullshit in the future, prolonging a stupid tribalistic internet slap-fight in the hopes of stirring up some vocal fanatics for some extra cash in the short term. And then they launch on everything else anyway, basically amounting to a second launch day for a wider audience and a second wave of profits. It feels very cynical and dishonest.

There's some nuance to this situation, in that companies like Sony and Microsoft might bankroll some of a game's development in exchange for timed exclusivity. That falls into "the business owns the franchise/game and can release it however they want" - look at Cuphead for example, Microsoft bankrolled it but now it's on Switch and PlayStation years after release. That was their call. But outside of that, there's no reason to time an exclusive. Publishers and developers have a wider marketplace to release their products, and it feels kinda manipulative and shitty to go "well we're not releasing a game on this console for a year, but eventually you'll get to play the game on your platform of choice". In cases where a company has specifically paid for exclusive publishing rights, for the sole purpose of saying "Fist on PlayStation/Xbox", there is no good reason not to release it on everything at the same time.

Corporate ownership matters, and hardware differences matter. When neither of those things exist, there are only two outcomes - developer/publisher preference, and anti-consumer business deals that exist solely for the money. That's an entirely artificial reason for exclusivity, and it's bullshit.

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Solid Snake07
08/02/20 10:51:38 AM
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uwnim posted...
There would be significanly more differences between the two games than between the two burgers. The burgers are effectively the same product, the games are not.

Exclusive games do make the market less free. Reduces the potential reach of the games and causes the competition between systems to be less on price, design and performance.


It doesn't matter. The market is free because it's ultimately up to you as a consumer to choose what you do or don't want to buy. You have the freedom of choice, which is empirically a good thing.

A monopoly would be if one company completly controlled the home console market and could completely dictate what games can be developed and published on their platform.

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IShall_Run_Amok
08/02/20 10:52:07 AM
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Speaking as a far-left looney, I like it when a game comes to a system I have, from a system I don't have. Not getting games I want to play because of timed exclusives is less fun for me.

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Solid Snake07
08/02/20 10:55:44 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
You refuse to engage with anything I presnt, so Im done responding to you. Peace.


Everything you present is uninformed nonsense, like communism is anti government. And then you want to pretend I'm the one who doesn't know what I'm talking about.

I could have a more meaningful conversation with a wall.

So bye felicia

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legendary_zell
08/02/20 11:13:17 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Everything you present is uninformed nonsense, like communism is anti government. And then you want to pretend I'm the one who doesn't know what I'm talking about.

I could have a more meaningful conversation with a wall.

So bye felicia

Dude, he's telling you the established definitions of these political terms and you are ignorantly brushing them off. Just because Cold War rhetoric said that Communism=the biggest of governments and mid century governments used the term to describe their totalitarian assholery doesn't mean that's what it was. Political terms have definitions, but mostly they're used by politicians for the feelings they provoke. Just like Republicans today say what we have is free market capitalism while they actually facilitate companies rigging the marketplace in their favor and putting up barriers to new entrants. You can call it X, but since X has an independent meaning, it's not that.

Socialism refers to the workers/society owning the means of production. This can be done through government or through non-governmental groupings of people and communities. Communism as Marx defines it refers to a type of socialism where there is no longer a need for a state, and where the community owns everything in common, with no private property and no class divide. There is also state communism, but that's a separate thing.

Communism IS anti-government. Non-state communism is essentially identical to left-wing (actual) Anarchism in their vision of a future society.

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MarqueeSeries
08/02/20 11:29:55 AM
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legendary_zell posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...
Everything you present is uninformed nonsense, like communism is anti government. And then you want to pretend I'm the one who doesn't know what I'm talking about.

I could have a more meaningful conversation with a wall.

So bye felicia

Dude, he's telling you the established definitions of these political terms and you are ignorantly brushing them off. Just because Cold War rhetoric said that Communism=the biggest of governments and mid century governments used the term to describe their totalitarian assholery doesn't mean that's what it was. Political terms have definitions, but mostly they're used by politicians for the feelings they provoke. Just like Republicans today say what we have is free market capitalism while they actually facilitate companies rigging the marketplace in their favor and putting up barriers to new entrants. You can call it X, but since X has an independent meaning, it's not that.

Socialism refers to the workers/society owning the means of production. This can be done through government or through non-governmental groupings of people and communities. Communism as Marx defines it refers to a type of socialism where there is no longer a need for a state, and where the community owns everything in common, with no private property and no class divide. There is also state communism, but that's a separate thing.

Communism IS anti-government. Non-state communism is essentially identical to left-wing (actual) Anarchism in their vision of a future society.

You're wasting your time. Centuries of well documented political ideology mean nothing because well...they just don't

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uwnim
08/02/20 11:51:29 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
It doesn't matter. The market is free because it's ultimately up to you as a consumer to choose what you do or don't want to buy. You have the freedom of choice, which is empirically a good thing.

A monopoly would be if one company completly controlled the home console market and could completely dictate what games can be developed and published on their platform.

It does matter. The market is less free than it would be if exclusives did not exist. It reduces the amount of choice a consumer has.

Also, a market where exclusives exist is more likely to end in a monopoly than one that doesn't.(a console monopoly is rather unlikely either way though)

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ConquestOfBread
08/02/20 11:51:57 AM
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*coughs loudly*
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ScazarMeltex
08/02/20 11:52:39 AM
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Lol at Resetera being representative of "the left".

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ConquestOfBread
08/02/20 12:00:37 PM
#64:


ScazarMeltex posted...
Lol at Resetera being representative of "the left".

You didn't know? Us lefties have shifted to video games as our primary focus instead of things like workers' rights.
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ScazarMeltex
08/02/20 12:18:53 PM
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ConquestOfBread posted...
You didn't know? Us lefties have shifted to video games as our primary focus instead of things like workers' rights.
Damn. I must have missed that meeting. I guess I'll throw away all my unionizing materials and IWW membership get to work SJWing up video games. Also nice username. One of my favorite communist works.

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IShall_Run_Amok
08/02/20 12:19:17 PM
#66:


ConquestOfBread posted...
You didn't know? Us lefties have shifted to video games as our primary focus instead of things like workers' rights.
But we're coming for anime girls next, right guys?



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MarqueeSeries
08/02/20 1:08:22 PM
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ConquestOfBread posted...
*coughs loudly*

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ConquestOfBread
08/02/20 2:50:13 PM
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If only my influence today was as prominent as my beard
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One_Day_Remains
08/02/20 2:56:16 PM
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This is not a political thing
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ConquestOfBread
08/02/20 4:10:56 PM
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One_Day_Remains posted...
This is not a political thing

All fundamental issues within society boil down to politics when placed in the furnace.
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Damn_Underscore
08/02/20 4:25:19 PM
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lol the original topic was deleted

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Shablagoo
08/02/20 8:39:06 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
Dude, he's telling you the established definitions of these political terms and you are ignorantly brushing them off. Just because Cold War rhetoric said that Communism=the biggest of governments and mid century governments used the term to describe their totalitarian assholery doesn't mean that's what it was. Political terms have definitions, but mostly they're used by politicians for the feelings they provoke. Just like Republicans today say what we have is free market capitalism while they actually facilitate companies rigging the marketplace in their favor and putting up barriers to new entrants. You can call it X, but since X has an independent meaning, it's not that.

Socialism refers to the workers/society owning the means of production. This can be done through government or through non-governmental groupings of people and communities. Communism as Marx defines it refers to a type of socialism where there is no longer a need for a state, and where the community owns everything in common, with no private property and no class divide. There is also state communism, but that's a separate thing.

Communism IS anti-government. Non-state communism is essentially identical to left-wing (actual) Anarchism in their vision of a future society.

Thanks for elaborating on all this. I dont think I was explaining it enough to him. @MarqueeSeries is probably right about it being a waste of time, though, as @Solid_Snake07 has not yet deigned to return.

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Stalolin
08/02/20 8:54:45 PM
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I dunno, I always figured exclusives are why Nintendo games are so Nintendo-y, and why Sony exclusives are so Sony-y. I dont think games like TLOU2 or HZD or BotW would exist as they do now without it.
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