Poll of the Day > Trump wants to cancel the election

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975

Thank God it's not up to him. Also all this would do is make Nancy Pelosi president since his term ends January 20th.

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Leave it to a Dem to whine about foreign powers influencing an election then oppose voter I.D. and support mail-in voting.

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Unbridled9 posted...

Leave it to a Dem to whine about foreign powers influencing an election then oppose voter I.D. and support mail-in voting.

wut

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There's nothing wrong with mail-in voting. Everyone has the right to vote, but not everyone can get to the polling office. Mailing-in their vote allows them to participate.

WastelandCowboy posted...

There's nothing wrong with mail-in voting. Everyone has the right to vote, but not everyone can get to the polling office. Mailing-in their vote allows them to participate.

But it would lead to fraud! Massive fraud!

What's that, you say? There wasn't massive fraud in every other election since mail-in voting became a thing? Fake news!

On topic, watch the Trumpers ignore this.
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WastelandCowboy posted...

There's nothing wrong with mail-in voting. Everyone has the right to vote, but not everyone can get to the polling office. Mailing-in their vote allows them to participate.

This. Trump and his dumbass supporters are crying "voting fraud" but mail-in voting fraud is exceedingly rare. The real reason they don't want mail-in voting is that they know Trump will get annihilated in the election if mail-in voting increases voter turnout substantially.

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Lol hes already positioning himself for a loss

Excuses are locked and loaded

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WastelandCowboy posted...

There's nothing wrong with mail-in voting. Everyone has the right to vote, but not everyone can get to the polling office. Mailing-in their vote allows them to participate.

You mean besides the fact that it's stupidly insecure? I mean, a few months ago we had someone stealing our mail for money. Imagine if they did that, saw the ballot, and then filled it out the way they wanted and sent it in. All I could do would be complain that I didn't get to vote but there'd be no way to do anything about it. Nevermind if a mailworker got malicious, a delay happened due to literally everyone in the nation sending in mail, or people singling out voters because now their ballots can be traced back to their home.

It's a BAD idea!

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Unbridled9 posted...

You mean besides the fact that it's stupidly insecure? I mean, a few months ago we had someone stealing our mail for money. Imagine if they did that, saw the ballot, and then filled it out the way they wanted and sent it in. All I could do would be complain that I didn't get to vote but there'd be no way to do anything about it. Nevermind if a mailworker got malicious, a delay happened due to literally everyone in the nation sending in mail, or people singling out voters because now their ballots can be traced back to their home.

It's a BAD idea!

voting machines are more insecure than the mail

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Unbridled9 posted...

You mean besides the fact that it's stupidly insecure? I mean, a few months ago we had someone stealing our mail for money. Imagine if they did that, saw the ballot, and then filled it out the way they wanted and sent it in. All I could do would be complain that I didn't get to vote but there'd be no way to do anything about it. Nevermind if a mailworker got malicious, a delay happened due to literally everyone in the nation sending in mail, or people singling out voters because now their ballots can be traced back to their home.

It's a BAD idea!

All good counterpoints, except the first one. You can replace your mailbox with one more secure, like one with a lock and key. Sucks, but it's a solution that most people are already doing.

The other counterpoints are issues outside of the voter's control. Yes, delivering your ballot or voting in person would resolve it, but not everyone has that luxury.

i'm still trying to figure out what post #2 is fucking talking about in regards to this topic

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Unbridled9 posted...

You mean besides the fact that it's stupidly insecure?

Except it's not:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53353404

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-vote-by-mail-explainer-idUSKBN2482SA

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/how-do-you-know-voting-mail-works-u-s-military-n1186926

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/494189-lets-put-the-vote-by-mail-fraud-myth-to-rest

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helIy posted...

i'm still trying to figure out what post #2 is fucking talking about in regards to this topic

Smoothbrains like to link Russia meddling in US elections in 2016 with mall-in voter fraud, even though a vast majority of mail-in voting fraud is perpetrated by US citizens, and often by campaigns themselves.

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a lot of us were just waiting for him to try this

hes not gonna stop trying either

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Well, I fucking knew this was coming.

"I fucked up our virus response and people are afraid to go outside, so I guess I'll just have to take one for the team and be president for longer than Constitutionally allowed. Aw schucks..."

FUCK NO
The election is happening on schedule, fuck you, wanna be emperor Trump! Still plenty of time to issue mail in ballots to everyone. You just don't want to hold the election, and by that I mean, lose.

WastelandCowboy posted...

All good counterpoints, except the first one. You can replace your mailbox with one more secure, like one with a lock and key. Sucks, but it's a solution that most people are already doing.

The other counterpoints are issues outside of the voter's control. Yes, delivering your ballot or voting in person would resolve it, but not everyone has that luxury.

Do you seriously think the vast majority of Americans are going to replace their mailboxes with secure ones in the few months before the election? Would it even be possible even if they wanted to? Cause that's a TON of mailboxes nationwide that don't have basic security measures at all.

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papercup posted...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975

Thank God it's not up to him. Also all this would do is make Nancy Pelosi president since his term ends January 20th.

Actually no. Pelosis term is up on Jan 3rd, I believe. I actually looked into this and I forgot who exactly would be president in case of this... but I remember its some democrat. Not even a popular one as you can see I dont even have his name. Hmmm. Maybe Ill go find out and post on here again.

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Unbridled9 posted...

Do you seriously think the vast majority of Americans are going to replace their mailboxes with secure ones in the few months before the election? Would it even be possible even if they wanted to? Cause that's a TON of mailboxes nationwide that don't have basic security measures at all.

I never said they had to. I offered this as a solution to your counterpoint -

OniRonin posted...

You mean besides the fact that it's stupidly insecure? I mean, a few months ago we had someone stealing our mail for money. Imagine if they did that, saw the ballot, and then filled it out the way they wanted and sent it in. All I could do would be complain that I didn't get to vote but there'd be no way to do anything about it.

Unbridled9 posted...

Do you seriously think the vast majority of Americans are going to replace their mailboxes with secure ones in the few months before the election? Would it even be possible even if they wanted to? Cause that's a TON of mailboxes nationwide that don't have basic security measures at all.

Mail in voting is actually more secure than many other means of voting because you have to go through the federal mail system to receive and send your ballot.

Going into someone elses mailbox and tampering with mail are automatic felonies even before any other wrongdoing and the USPS takes the crimes very seriously.

A far less secure scenario would be to have long lines of people out in public waiting many hours to vote in some locations, with polling places suddenly changing or closing down with little to no notice, while many people vote on machines that are error prone and often not secure from tampering.

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Alright, Im back!

So I tried looking it up again, and got tired and said, Fuck it. Ill come back to it later. So I jump in the shower while watching videos on YouTube, and I come across this one... and I fall out laughing because, well, watch who the president would be if Donald Trump refused to leave:

https://youtu.be/VKNotgI_zNA

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Might as well save money for the country since he'll obviously win over biden 100%, but imo all them millions of dollars are worth seeing liberals explode post election like last time

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HornedLion posted...

Alright, Im back!

So I tried looking it up again, and got tired and said, Fuck it. Ill come back to it later. So I jump in the shower while watching videos on YouTube, and I come across this one... and I fall out laughing because, well, watch who the president would be if Donald Trump refused to leave:

https://youtu.be/VKNotgI_zNA

Ok, I can't find any list that goes down past cabinet officials, but the next one on the list is "president pro tempore of the Senate", which is currently Chuck Grassley (R), who isn't up for re-election until 2022.

so...wouldn't it be him? Or does that fancy title go away w/ no election this fall, too?

Since 1890, the most senior U.S. senator in the majority party has generally been chosen to be president pro tempore and holds the office continuously until the election of another. This tradition has been observed without interruption since 1949.

(wikipedia)

After realizing he wouldn't win a second term, Trump has decided to fit four years of shit in the next four months.

He's literally having multiple scandals a day right now.

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streamofthesky posted...

Ok, I can't find any list that goes down past cabinet officials, but the next one on the list is "president pro tempore of the Senate", which is currently Chuck Grassley (R), who isn't up for re-election until 2022.

so...wouldn't it be him? Or does that fancy title go away w/ no election this fall, too?

Yeah, I remember at one point I saw that it would go to Grassley. At which point I shivered. And then because he isnt up for re-election or whatever it wouldnt have been him(mightve been another reason too).

Did you see how in the video the guy doesnt even remember the dems name.

This is perfect. How can the GOP do their preemptive smearing if nobody even knows who the person is?

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WastelandCowboy posted...

Everyone has the right to vote, but not everyone can get to the polling office.

WastelandCowboy posted...

You can replace your mailbox with one more secure, like one with a lock and key.

Bad form, you cite barriers to entry as an argument then suggest some of your own for the alternative.

Not taking a side, just pointing it out

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HornedLion posted...

Yeah, I remember at one point I saw that it would go to Grassley. At which point I shivered. And then because he isnt up for re-election or whatever it wouldnt have been him(mightve been another reason too).

But according to wikipedia at least (yeah, I know), that title lasts until the next person is chosen. It doesn't automatically vacate every 2 years. I imagine he'd have to give it up in 2023 if he lost his Senate election in 2022 and was somehow still interim president by then, but hilariously am not even sure if that's the case...

Did you see how in the video the guy doesnt even remember the dems name.

This is perfect. How can the GOP do their preemptive smearing if nobody even knows who the person is?

I can't find ANYTHING that lists the line of succession past the cabinet officials. Shouldn't that sort of info be widely available and accessible?

Mead posted...

Mail in voting is actually more secure than many other means of voting because you have to go through the federal mail system to receive and send your ballot.

Going into someone elses mailbox and tampering with mail are automatic felonies even before any other wrongdoing and the USPS takes the crimes very seriously.

A far less secure scenario would be to have long lines of people out in public waiting many hours to vote in some locations, with polling places suddenly changing or closing down with little to no notice, while many people vote on machines that are error prone and often not secure from tampering.

please refrain from agreeing with me in the future, it makes me feel like a liberal :(

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Veedrock- posted...

Bad form, you cite barriers to entry as an argument then suggest some of your own for the alternative.

Not taking a side, just pointing it out

I'm looking at both sides of the argument. The barriers were proposed by Unbridled9 here,

Unbridled9 posted...

You mean besides the fact that it's stupidly insecure? I mean, a few months ago we had someone stealing our mail for money. Imagine if they did that, saw the ballot, and then filled it out the way they wanted and sent it in. All I could do would be complain that I didn't get to vote but there'd be no way to do anything about it. Nevermind if a mailworker got malicious, a delay happened due to literally everyone in the nation sending in mail, or people singling out voters because now their ballots can be traced back to their home.

It's a BAD idea!

WastelandCowboy posted...

All good counterpoints, except the first one. You can replace your mailbox with one more secure, like one with a lock and key. Sucks, but it's a solution that most people are already doing.

The other counterpoints are issues outside of the voter's control. Yes, delivering your ballot or voting in person would resolve it, but not everyone has that luxury.

I don't know what the hubbub about mail in balots is...

Since when has voting being an important part of democracy?

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https://apnews.com/fbcec393dc652a9ccdb2cc8aacb15895

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Wanded posted...

https://apnews.com/fbcec393dc652a9ccdb2cc8aacb15895

Fake news. They couldn't even bother to provide a faked voter registration form.

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I do want to point out that I'm not against the idea of mail-in ballots. I recognize a lot of people can't make it in for one reason or another and such a thing may be the only viable option. What I'm opposed to is making it such a major aspect of the election without even bothering to address the most basic issues of security involved in such a thing. This is why the democrats erk me so much. We had this huge and massive attempt to impeach Trump because they were convinced, utterly convinced, he was an agent of Russia and China has every reason to want to interfere with the election to get a more favorable candidate in; yet they constantly dig in their heels and refuse to enact the most basic forms of security (requiring I.D.) and advocate for a system that is not only stupidly easy to cheat using but then do so in a time when we have a hyper-polarized political landscape? A time where everyone on both sides has every reason to cheat simply due to the massive amounts of hate present right now? And why again? Because they are afraid that they might catch covid if they handle stuff normally. They're literally leveraging fear as their only argument for mail-in voting while, at the same time, parading out in the streets in massive protests and riots that ignore social distancing entirely and a sizable portion don't wear masks. It's difficult to see how they could be more hypocritical here. Champion mail in voting because you don't want to catch the virus, but go out and join in the riots which ignore even the basic safety measures to stop it! Trump colluded with Russia, let's ignore even basic security and enact a method that's extremely easy to cheat with!

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streamofthesky posted...

I can't find ANYTHING that lists the line of succession past the cabinet officials. Shouldn't that sort of info be widely available and accessible?

I had it a few days ago and then forgot it cause, No way am I going to need to remember this.

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Unbridled9 posted... I do want to point out that I'm not against the idea of mail-in ballots. I recognize a lot of people can't make it in for one reason or another and such a thing may be the only viable option. What I'm opposed to is making it such a major aspect of the election without even bothering to address the most basic issues of security involved in such a thing. This is why the democrats erk me so much. We had this huge and massive attempt to impeach Trump because they were convinced, utterly convinced, he was an agent of Russia and China has every reason to want to interfere with the election to get a more favorable candidate in; yet they constantly dig in their heels and refuse to enact the most basic forms of security (requiring I.D.) and advocate for a system that is not only stupidly easy to cheat using but then do so in a time when we have a hyper-polarized political landscape? A time where everyone on both sides has every reason to cheat simply due to the massive amounts of hate present right now? And why again? Because they are afraid that they might catch covid if they handle stuff normally. They're literally leveraging fear as their only argument for mail-in voting while, at the same time, parading out in the streets in massive protests and riots that ignore social distancing entirely and a sizable portion don't wear masks. It's difficult to see how they could be more hypocritical here. Champion mail in voting because you don't want to catch the virus, but go out and join in the riots which ignore even the basic safety measures to stop it! Trump colluded with Russia, let's ignore even basic security and enact a method that's extremely easy to cheat with!

They tried to impeach Trump because of multiple witnesses and statements, including from Trump himself, indicating that he tried to withhold money Congress had approved for Ukraine until they "investigated" Joe Biden's son for him.

No one denies voter fraud happens.

All these dumbass Trump supporters feel it's worse than it is. It's incredibly rare, and there are systems in place to prevent it from happening and catch it when it does happen.

Only an absolute moron would be against mail-in voting on a normal day, but during a pandemic it takes monumental stupidity to be against increasing and improving mail-in voting.

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HornedLion posted...

I had it a few days ago and then forgot it cause, No way am I going to need to remember this.

it doesn't really matter in this case -- the decision to choose the president would go to the house of representatives. if there are no congressional elections either, it would ultimately go to the senate (unlike the president and house, they remain if there are no elections) to pick the VP, who would then become president

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Unbridled9 posted...

Trump colluded with Russia, let's ignore even basic security and enact a method that's extremely easy to cheat with!

These aren't even remotely connected.

Your whole post is just about trying to hold dems to much higher standards than Republicans while drawing a line between completely separate situations.

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I will add, we don't have to make mail in voting the ONLY option. It should be an option for everyone, but we should also be discussing extending early voting to space out the time period people have to do in person voting if they want or can't / don't trust mail in ballots, to minimize the number of people at polling stations at a time.

Typically it's been the same party opposing mail in ballots that have tried to restrict early voting periods, though....

streamofthesky posted...

I will add, we don't have to make mail in voting the ONLY option. It should be an option for everyone, but we should also be discussing extending early voting to space out the time period people have to do in person voting if they want or can't / don't trust mail in ballots, to minimize the number of people at polling stations at a time.

Typically it's been the same party opposing mail in ballots that have tried to restrict early voting periods, though....

yep its pretty simple

let everyone vote, safely

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Even it canceled/postponed, doesnt the Speaker of the House take control? And they are a Democrat right now?
So Trump is in a lose, lose spot.

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Ogurisama posted...

Even it canceled/postponed, doesnt the Speaker of the House take control? And they are a Democrat right now?
So Trump is in a lose, lose spot.

No. House Reps' terms end before Trump's even does. If there's no election, she's out of office, too.

Not even sure how the fuck we could run a country w/ an interim president due to no election. There'd be no House of Representatives at all, and at least 1/3 of the Senate would be ousted, too. Great, we have a stand in as president. still can't actually govern the country.

Ogurisama posted...

Even it canceled/postponed, doesnt the Speaker of the House take control? And they are a Democrat right now?
So Trump is in a lose, lose spot.

if trump actually had the power to do this, they would probably delay congressional elections as well. then the decision to choose the president would fall on the senate https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10425

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if i did the math right, the 67 senators not up for re-election in 2020 are 33 D, 32 R, 2 I (bernie and angus king). democrats are such huge cucks that they would probably pick like, mitt romney to be president or something

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Blightzkrieg posted...

These aren't even remotely connected.

Your whole post is just about trying to hold dems to much higher standards than Republicans while drawing a line between completely separate situations.

Who says I don't hold Republicans to equal, or even higher, standards? After all, they whine and mope constantly about how horrible things are but then do jack shit to actually change anything in any way. The difference is that the Republican's aren't whining about issues of voting security than trying to make it easier to cheat.

Before you say anything more, no. I am not a republican. I'm an independent who sees the democrats as ideological morons and the republicans as inept do-nothings. So trying to peg me with republican ideals and talking points is useless as I am not one.

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OniRonin posted...

if i did the math right, the 67 senators not up for re-election in 2020 are 33 D, 32 R, 2 I (bernie and angus king). democrats are such huge cucks that they would probably pick like, mitt romney to be president or something

Why the fuck would they pick a Republican mass-murderer ("corporations are people, my friend!") to be president?

But I was wondering the breakdown of those not up for re-election. So dems would control the senate and pick a Dem president. Hilarious! Trump's tin pot dictator attempt would fail after all.

The modern centrist tragedy: smart enough to recognize the problems with society but too fucking dumb to do anything about it

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streamofthesky posted...

Why the fuck would they pick a Republican mass-murderer ("corporations are people, my friend!") to be president?

because they suck ass. look at their platform, it's basically the same as what mitt romney wants. they all love corporations to. their candidate for president voted for the iraq war and thinks cops should arrest people for being anarchists

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Unbridled9 posted...

Who says I don't hold Republicans to equal, or even higher, standards?

lmfao

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Far-Queue posted...

Only an absolute moron would be against mail-in voting on a normal day, but during a pandemic it takes monumental stupidity to be against increasing and improving mail-in voting.

these are the people who thought it was a democratic hoax for the first several months of the pandemic

hell, these are the people who still think it is a democratic hoax.

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Mail in voting is a cheap partisan ploy by Democrats
Creating new states for unrepresented citizens is a cheap partisan ploy by democrats
Giving former felons their voting rights back is a cheap partisan ploy by democrats
Trying to stop ID laws explicitly targeted at the poor and minorities is a cheap partisan ploy by democrats
Impeaching a president for trying to cheat in an election is a cheap partisan ploy by democrats

Cancelling the election is fine though

Why cant the dems let Trump be king for life as Thomas Jefferson intended

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