Poll of the Day > Dang so the planned parenthood founder was a nazi

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OhhhJa posted...

So what if this organization had eugenicist origins! They definitely morphed into a totally benevolent organization at some point!

same with the democratic party which was pro slavery, all the kkk founders were democrat, but lefties won't cancel them, they rather cancel the people who helped end slavery

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BlackScythe0 posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times

I'm sure these are credible claims.

lol i cant believe people fall for this shit. its incredibly well documented. they're obviously linking you to the conservative source to get you to screech about how it's biased. please just fucking read and do research, you're embarassing me

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Wanded posted...

same with the democratic party which was pro slavery, all the kkk founders were democrat, but lefties won't cancel them, they rather cancel the people who helped end slavery

have you ever talked to a 'lefty'. they don't like hte democratic party very much lol. you're pointing at two different groups of people, pointing out that they believe different things, and calling it a contradiction

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Wanded posted...

there are statues of her around the us

no, there's one statue of her in the smithsonian, at least as far as I can find. it's not out in public where its easy to get lol.

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OniRonin posted...

have you ever talked to a 'lefty'. they don't like hte democratic party very much lol

So they claim. Then they back every single ass candidate that the party provides no matter how ass they are. Nearly all of the under 40 demographic that supports the dems are leftists. When pressured, they'll tell you they don't actually like Biden and didn't like Obama but they vote for these people every time and side with nearly everything they say or do

OhhhJa posted...

So they claim. Then they back every single ass candidate that the party provides no matter how ass they are.

because the alternative is trump/a conservative

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OhhhJa posted...

So they claim. Then they back every single ass candidate that the party provides no matter how ass they are. Nearly all of the under 40 demographic that supports the dems are leftists. When pressured, they'll tell you they don't actually like Biden and didn't like Obama but they vote for these people every time and side with nearly everything they say or do

you're not engaging in good faith. there's no way that you don't understand why this argument is dumb as hell. bye

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ComradeSeraphim posted...

What about Oskar Schindler? He was a member of the Nazi party, but he used his position to save Jews instead of murder them.

I wouldn't consider someone using their position to undermine a group's ideology as part of that group. Like, would you consider a government spy part of the organization they're spying on? My argument is against the apologist viewpoint towards the Nazis "just following orders".

OhhhJa posted...

So they claim. Then they back every single ass candidate that the party provides no matter how ass they are. Nearly all of the under 40 demographic that supports the dems are leftists. When pressured, they'll tell you they don't actually like Biden and didn't like Obama but they vote for these people every time and side with nearly everything they say or do

I'd be considered a leftist by most metrics, and I have never once voted for the Democrats (nor the Republicans). I think the two-party system limits nuance and ideas and promotes polarity, and the best thing for the U.S. would be to introduce more parties to represent more ideas. So I always vote for the political candidate belonging to the third-party with the most traction. I know plenty of other left-leaning people who feel this way too.

I wouldn't really expect you to believe or understand that though, considering you seem to have an agenda of flagrantly pushing a right-wing, traditionalist viewpoint everywhere you go. So gotta demonize those on the left!

OniRonin posted...

lol i cant believe people fall for this shit. its incredibly well documented. they're obviously linking you to the conservative source to get you to screech about how it's biased. please just fucking read and do research, you're embarassing me

You're embarrassing me!

JigsawTDC posted...

I'd be considered a leftist by most metrics, and I have never once voted for the Democrats (nor the Republicans). I think the two-party system limits nuance and ideas and promotes polarity, and the best thing for the U.S. would be to introduce more parties to represent more ideas. So I always vote for the political candidate belonging to the third-party with the most traction. I know plenty of other left-leaning people who feel this way too.

I wouldn't really expect you to believe or understand that though, considering you seem to have an agenda of flagrantly pushing a right-wing, traditionalist viewpoint everywhere you go. So gotta demonize those on the left!

"I don't believe in the two party system dividing people between simply right and left but you're definitely a staunch righty obviously!"

Astoundingly blatant hypocrisy

OhhhJa posted...

"I don't believe in the two party system dividing people between simply right and left but you're definitely a staunch righty obviously!"

Astoundingly blatant hypocrisy

Sure, anything can be made to appear hypocritical when you've got a reductionist take on it. I never said I don't believe in the left-right political spectrum, only that a two-party system limits nuance and promotes polarity. You're actually proving that point by trying to eliminate nuance and promote polarity lol. My comments on you are based on your posting history, so if you don't like that assessment, prove me wrong.

JigsawTDC posted...

I never said I don't believe in the left-right political spectrum, only that a two-party system limits nuance and promotes polarity

Imagine that. It's almost like you're falling right into that trap

OhhhJa posted...

Imagine that. It's almost like you're falling right into that trap

As I said, my comments are based on your posting history. You created a strawman to sow discord, I explained how that perception is wrong. You're only proving my point that I didn't expect you to get it because you've got an agenda of pushing a specific viewpoint. You're the one with the reductionist takes here. You're confusing (probably purposefully) a commentary on the image you've actually established with the broader statements I've made. My comments on you were to highlight how you fit into this all. If you don't want to play into the lack of nuance and push polarity then you should be elaborating your views, not throwing around snark.

JigsawTDC posted...

You created a strawman to sow discord, I explained how that perception is wrong.

This only happened in your mind. I created no strawman. Oni made a claim that real leftists hate the democratic party. I said that this isn't true and that plenty of self proclaimed leftists consistently support the democrats. Then you got mad and starting going on a tirade about how im a right winger because you said so

OhhhJa posted...

you're definitely a staunch righty obviously!"

he didnt say that lol

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OhhhJa posted...

This only happened in your mind. I created no strawman. Oni made a claim that real leftists hate the democratic party. I said that this isn't true and that plenty of self proclaimed leftists consistently support the democrats. Then you got mad and starting going on a tirade about how im a right winger because you said so

As Oni said, you're not engaging in good faith. Your argument that leftists consistently support Democrats *is* a strawman when you've got people on the left telling you they vote otherwise. I'm not mad and if you perceive my comments as a "tirade" that says more about you than me. Do you feel the need to always demonize those you disagree with as angry? Kinda goes back to my original comment about your views.

And you're not on the right "because I say so". You're on the right because the views you continue to espouse and promote on this board are in line with right-wing thinking. As I said, if you don't like that assessment, prove me wrong. You're the one here who seems to be more interested in reductionist takes than actually having a real conversation.

JigsawTDC posted...

As Oni said, you're not engaging in good faith. Your argument that leftists consistently support Democrats *is* a strawman when you've got people on the left telling you they vote otherwise

I feel like you're trying to misrepresent my argument as though I'm saying all leftists vote Democrat. Nowhere did I say that. Oni made a claim that true leftists aren't a fan of democrats and im simply saying that claim is quite often false. There are plenty of leftists that vote proudly vote democrat. I'm friends with many of them myself.

JigsawTDC posted...

Do you feel the need to always need to demonize those you disagree with as angry?

This is some inversion of reality going on. You're the one turning this thread into right vs left and accusing me of being something I dont claim to be.

JigsawTDC posted...

You're on the right because the views you continue to espouse and promote on this board are in line with right-wing thinking

How can I prove you wrong when you're so convinced of this? How am I supposed to "prove" you wrong other than telling you?

DirtBasedSoap posted...

he didnt say that lol

Dude, every post is him accusing me of being a right winger as if that matters or somethjng. I should be able to post news without someone trying to derail into a right vs left argument because they don't like it

JigsawTDC posted...

I wouldn't really expect you to believe or understand that though, considering you seem to have an agenda of flagrantly pushing a right-wing, traditionalist viewpoint everywhere you go. So gotta demonize those on the left!

This was unprovoked ad hominem just for reference

JigsawTDC posted...

you seem to have an agenda of flagrantly pushing a right-wing, traditionalist viewpoint everywhere you go

hes saying you constantly push right-wing viewpoints, not necessarily that you are a right-winger.

but you are a right-winger fyi
idk how you can even deny it lol

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

hes saying you constantly push right-wing viewpoints, not necessarily that you are a right-winger.

but you are a right-winger fyi
idk how you can even deny it lol

I've seen this guy on this board like twice. Even if I was, why does that matter in regard to the topic? Because this news hurts their feelings? I don't get it

OhhhJa posted...

I feel like you're trying to misrepresent my argument as though I'm saying all leftists vote Democrat. Nowhere did I say that. Oni made a claim that true leftists aren't a fan of democrats and im simply saying that claim is quite often false. There are plenty of leftists that vote proudly vote democrat. I'm friends with many of them myself.

This is some inversion of reality going on. You're the one turning this thread into right vs left and accusing me of being something I dont claim to be.

How can I prove you wrong when you're so convinced of this? How am I supposed to "prove" you wrong other than telling you?

You said "nearly all" which is close enough to "all" and a disingenuous representation. I've never made the claim that leftists don't vote for Democrats either, but I think you have a very skewed perception in your head, because those that do rarely do it proudly. I'd question if your friends are "leftists" or actually "liberals", because there is a difference.

I didn't make this into a left vs. right debate. It was already there when I chimed in. I've also never falsely attributed anger or any other emotion to you, only assessed you from the viewpoints I've seen you post across this board, so let's not try to misconstrue who is demonizing who.

You know how to prove my view wrong, and I think it's weird to pretend otherwise. I made an assessment based on things you've said, so point out where I'm wrong aside from just saying "nu uh!!" and I'm open to hearing you. I think you're pretending not to know how to do this though because we both know the views you consistently post on this board.

OhhhJa posted...

This was unprovoked ad hominem just for reference

Ad hominem fallacy is only relevant if I hadn't addressed the content in the rest of your post. The source of information and their bias should be analyzed as well. I'm not here just saying "hey everyone look at this idiot!!" and basely attacking you.

OhhhJa posted...

I've seen this guy on this board like twice.

not sure how thats relevant? hes also a long time PotDer that disappeared for a while and then recently came back

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To be clear, this is the post that "derailed" your topic and inserted the left-right spectrum, I only came in much later into the conversation:

Wanded posted...

same with the democratic party which was pro slavery, all the kkk founders were democrat, but lefties won't cancel them, they rather cancel the people who helped end slavery

OhhhJa posted...

Even if I was, why does that matter in regard to the topic? Because this news hurts their feelings? I don't get it

... were discussing politics

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

not sure how thats relevant? hes also a long time PotDer that disappeared for a while and then recently came back

You, and SpeeD, and some of the Geeks are probably the only people that recognize me lol. I was active, but I didn't do anything to be particularly memorable for most people. Most the people I was friends with here are no longer active (but I've got a lot of them on FB!).

Oh shit it's TDC!

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OhhhJa posted...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/23/racism-eugenics-margaret-sanger-deserves-no-honors-column/5480192002/

Big oof

I'm pro choice myself but damn a lot of people have egg on their face with this one

Not only that but she had a main goal, to eliminate the black population. Why do you think they push abortion so hard in the black communities? Why are most PP places in or close to black neighborhoods? She was a liberal and just like the democrat party wanted to either own slaves or eliminate them. The whole, if we can't control them get rid of them! Leftists thought process. Why do you think the left created so many socialist programs designed to "help" the black communities that the Dems helped destroy? To quote LBJ "I'm going to keep them n***** voting democrat for 200 years." Best way to do it is destroy the nuclear family, which they've done, push abortion to have less born, which they've done, keep them in poverty in urban cities, which they've done. Help give them the mentality of us vs everyone else and divide people based on race, which they've done. All about control for Democrats and when they control the programs going to those in need due to the circumstances they very well helped create you can control them.

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Decoy77 posted...

Not only that but she had a main goal, to eliminate the black population. Why do you think they push abortion so hard in the black communities? Why are most PP places in or close to black neighborhoods? She was a liberal and just like the democrat party wanted to either own slaves or eliminate them. The whole, if we can't control them get rid of them! Leftists thought process. Why do you think the left created so many socialist programs designed to "help" the black communities that the Dems helped destroy? To quote LBJ "I'm going to keep them n***** voting democrat for 200 years." Best way to do it is destroy the nuclear family, which they've done, push abortion to have less born, which they've done, keep them in poverty in urban cities, which they've done. Help give them the mentality of us vs everyone else and divide people based on race, which they've done. All about control for Democrats and when they control the programs going to those in need due to the circumstances they very well helped create you can control them.

Let's do a fact check.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population

I don't think you're wrong in thinking Democrats want to control people and use less than honorable means to do so. But they're no different from Republicans in that respect.

Zareth posted...

Oh shit it's TDC!

Hello!

JigsawTDC posted...

Hello!

As in

the dark crusader? From back in the day?

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Sahuagin posted...

isn't this already common knowledge? or was something discovered that wasn't already known about? I was hearing "planned parenthood are pro-eugenics nazis!" like 10+ years ago.

That was my first thought. It's really not news that Planned Parenthood has roots in eugenics. That doesn't mean they aren't doing good things today, though, or that the entire organization is secretly committed to that cause. As with any reproductive treatments, it's important to hold them accountable for any discriminatory behaviour they may commit, but that doesn't have to entail trying to discredit or tear down the entire organization. Just holding individuals accountable and bringing their behaviour to light.

If the organization tries to cover them up, that's when you should tear them down (*coughcatholicismcough*), but even then you shouldn't be trying to tear them down without establishing a suitable replacement. The vast majority of attacks on Planned Parenthood are motivated by wanting to stop abortion (and, in some cases, birth control/fertility treatments) altogether, not to take away that responsibility from somebody that's unfit to do it. If you don't want your legitimate criticisms to be dismissed as inane pro-life drivel, you need to be advocating reallocation of funding to less corrupt alternatives, not just criticizing PP in a vacuum.

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FatalAccident posted...

As in

the dark crusader? From back in the day?

Yeah, that's me! I've been posting sporadically again for the last couple weeks. Decided to check in during quarantine and saw my username in a poll, so I decided I'd come back for a bit.

OniRonin posted...

have you ever talked to a 'lefty'. they don't like hte democratic party very much lol. you're pointing at two different groups of people, pointing out that they believe different things, and calling it a contradiction

You say that yet my claim stands, there is no calls for cancellation of the democratic party from lefties, at least not on the level of george washington and thomas jefferson, eventhough the later fought the former about slavery, shouldn't the democratic party be the primary target when cancelling based on "who was the most racist a bezillion years ago"?

You're right that the top tier leftists don't like the democratic party because "it's not left enough" to their taste but at the end of the day MOST of them will no doubt vote for joe biden, hence supporting democrats, then you have the not top tier leftists who will definitely vote biden, then you also have the "i'm not a leftist i'm a liberal eventhough i agree with leftists on everything" people who will also vote for biden, i actually saw a couple examples of this by chance in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak7hXUckJbY

as the leftist in the video said "vote blue no matter who"


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Wanded posted...

You're right that the top tier leftists don't like the democratic party because "it's not left enough" to their taste but at the end of the day MOST of them will no doubt vote for joe biden, hence supporting democrats,

Welcome to the two-party system, where everybody that wants their vote to have any sort of impact whatsoever has to vote for whoever they dislike the least because producing an actual decent candidate is apparently hard.

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adjl posted...

Welcome to the two-party system, where everybody that wants their vote to have any sort of impact whatsoever has to vote for whoever they dislike the least because producing an actual decent candidate is apparently hard.

If a third party gets 5% of the national vote they get the same federal funding as the two major parties as well as a spot on the debate stage! It gets more feasible each election cycle as more and more people are disillusioned. I understand the fear of voting for one of the two majors if you live in a purple state depending on your affiliation, but if you don't have to worry about that, I'm a huge advocate for voting third party. In recent years it's usually the Libertarians that get the closest. I'm not one myself and think their platform is misguided, but they've got my vote.

JigsawTDC posted...

Yeah, that's me! I've been posting sporadically again for the last couple weeks. Decided to check in during quarantine and saw my username in a poll, so I decided I'd come back for a bit.

Oh shit welcome back dude

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Decoy77 posted...

Not only that but she had a main goal, to eliminate the black population. Why do you think they push abortion so hard in the black communities? Why are most PP places in or close to black neighborhoods?

Because rate of effective contraceptive use is significantly lower in black and Hispanic people than other races, leading to higher rates of unintended pregnancy.

Since these communities seem to be the ones most in need of family planning services, including education in the use of and access to contraceptives as well as abortion services, that's where they're putting them. You're not going send a surfing instructor to Nunavut.

Unfortunately, distrust of family planning organizations seems to be a significant factor in the lower rate of effective contraceptive use, so spreading this absolute bullshit about how Planned Parenthood is or was trying to eliminate the black population isn't helping.

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