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ZMythos 07/28/20 12:44:21 PM #101:	Slayer_22: B O T H S I D E S O T H S I D E S --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:942690182] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22: B O T H S I D E S O T H S I D E S </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DontHateMe 07/28/20 12:48:51 PM #102:	Oof, Slayer got slayed lmao. --- Too Complicated. <cite>DontHateMe posted [p:942690386] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Oof, Slayer got slayed lmao. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaWarrior455 07/28/20 12:52:03 PM #103:	Lot of missing posts in the previous page --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted [p:942690551] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Lot of missing posts in the previous page </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
justaguy3492 07/28/20 12:53:08 PM #104:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... I trust The Guardian about as much as Fox News, which is to say they are both biased as hell. For example, they vaguely reference Micah Xavier Johnson, who shot and killed five police officers in 2016, but they dont mention him by name and conveniently dismiss him as part of the so-called anti-fascist movement, even though anti-fascists have consistently and loudly denounced the police. Thats blatantly disingenuous. Didn't he put out a whole manifesto about how he wanted to kill white cops because of the killing of unarmed black men? You guys seem to be confusing independent murders based on individuals reasoning as ANTIFA murders, which they aren't. Would we call KKK lynchings Christian based murders? People who seek to demonize Christianity might, but a rational human wouldn't. --- Gt: justaguy3492 <cite>justaguy3492 posted [p:942690611] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Lorenzo_2003 posted... </cite> <quote>I trust The Guardian about as much as Fox News, which is to say they are both biased as hell. For example, they vaguely reference Micah Xavier Johnson, who shot and killed five police officers in 2016, but they dont mention him by name and conveniently dismiss him as part of the so-called anti-fascist movement, even though anti-fascists have consistently and loudly denounced the police. Thats blatantly disingenuous.</quote> Didn't he put out a whole manifesto about how he wanted to kill white cops because of the killing of unarmed black men? You guys seem to be confusing independent murders based on individuals reasoning as ANTIFA murders, which they aren't. Would we call KKK lynchings Christian based murders? People who seek to demonize Christianity might, but a rational human wouldn't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nemu 07/28/20 12:58:32 PM #106:	I don't get why it matters if they aren't as shitty as the other group. Petty Thieves Against Rapists wouldn't be a group I'd support just because they're against something shittier than themselves. They do more shady shit than good, and the inherent issues with group anonymity makes it bad concept from the get go. You can protest against white supremisist shitbags without needing to follow their particular MO. <cite>nemu posted [p:942690830] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>I don't get why it matters if they aren't as shitty as the other group. Petty Thieves Against Rapists wouldn't be a group I'd support just because they're against something shittier than themselves. They do more shady shit than good, and the inherent issues with group anonymity makes it bad concept from the get go. You can protest against white supremisist shitbags without needing to follow their particular MO. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lordgold666 07/28/20 1:38:29 PM #107:	Tyranthraxus posted... ^ this They all need to group up and hide their faces. Theyre harmless --- "May the Father of Understanding guide you." http://error1355.com/ce/Lordgold666.html <cite>Lordgold666 posted [p:942692407] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote></quote>^ this They all need to group up and hide their faces. Theyre harmless </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 07/28/20 1:43:18 PM #108:	Slayer_22 posted... Nah, Tmaster is trolling badly. I'm just being honest. The article title straight up implies there has been no anti-fascist linked murder in the last 25 years, not a SINGLE one. Linked itself is pretty vague(make, form, or suggest a connection with or between.). I made a super vague connection, with like...five minutes of googling, that invalidates the article's title just by it being a sheer blanket statement. Hell, could even bring up that guy who got shot while holding the AK-47 at that protest in Texas. He was, easily, linked to anti-fascism. He lifted a gun, and was shot, the death is on him entirely, because the murderer did so in self defense. So, what does that tell you? It's an anti-fascist linked to a murder. His own, granted, but still a murder. Someone said I don't understand English, but that's just basic logic intertwining with an understanding of English. It even sourced a report that could've easily been used in the topic title. It didn't. So are you saying "There ARE murders linked to Antifa" or "This title is too broad, it should have said "There are no Antifa ideology motivated murders"? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:942692614] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>Nah, Tmaster is trolling badly. I'm just being honest. The article title straight up implies there has been no anti-fascist linked murder in the last 25 years, not a SINGLE one. Linked itself is pretty vague(make, form, or suggest a connection with or between.). I made a super vague connection, with like...five minutes of googling, that invalidates the article's title just by it being a sheer blanket statement. Hell, could even bring up that guy who got shot while holding the AK-47 at that protest in Texas. He was, easily, linked to anti-fascism. He lifted a gun, and was shot, the death is on him entirely, because the murderer did so in self defense. So, what does that tell you? It's an anti-fascist linked to a murder. His own, granted, but still a murder. Someone said I don't understand English, but that's just basic logic intertwining with an understanding of English. It even sourced a report that could've easily been used in the topic title. It didn't.</quote> So are you saying "There ARE murders linked to Antifa" or "This title is too broad, it should have said "There are no Antifa ideology motivated murders"? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 07/28/20 2:26:43 PM #109:	nemu posted... I don't get why it matters if they aren't as shitty as the other group. Petty Thieves Against Rapists wouldn't be a group I'd support just because they're against something shittier than themselves. They do more shady shit than good, and the inherent issues with group anonymity makes it bad concept from the get go. You can protest against white supremisist shitbags without needing to follow their particular MO. I think it's important because they're being compared directly to radical right-wing hate groups, who have a three-figure body count in the same amount of time. There's an argument that's being circulated by the president of the United States that there's "left-wing fascism", that the left is just as violent as the right, but the current radical left scapegoat doesn't have a body count - while radical right-wing groups have been tied to over 100 deaths. I feel like reducing this to "Petty Thieves Against Rapists" is a pretty gross generalisation, because it furthers this idea that antifa are a bunch of crooks pushing over old ladies to steal their purse. At least from what I've seen, any violence from left-wing protestors has been reactive, not proactive - not really comparable to the actions of a mugger. Antifa is just a label that antifascist protestors adopt when protesting organisations, groups and laws that would seek to normalise elements of fascism - they're not going out with billy clubs, knocking in heads with no impunity. But you've got the Boogaloo Boys and the Proud Boys who actively start conflicts so they can gang up on left-wing protestors and beat the fuck out of them - and what's particularly fucked up is that that's a pattern of behaviour that the police and homeland security are adopting as well. Give them the least amount of leeway possible, yell that you feel threatened, then start firing tear gas into people's faces. So again - it matters to counter this false equivalency that the left is just as violent as the right, and equating Antifa to petty thieves going against a more heinous group of criminals - with the explicit statement that both sides commit crime that's impossible to endorse - is another means to further this false equivalency. I understand the concern about anonymity, in the same sense that you wouldn't want a group like Anonymous conducting mass doxxings or anything like that. But are anonymous antifa protestors actually overstepping their boundaries and committing proactive, violent crime enabled by their anonymity? Because from where I see it, where protestors are being pushed into unmarked vans and detained illegally, and in a world where BLM protestors from 2014 and beyond have increasingly been going missing and turning up dead - anonymity has only been used to prevent people from being unjustly targeted by law enforcement. Compare this to boogaloo boys and proud boys, who don't cover themselves up and who actively seek to commit violent crime against left-wing protestors, but who aren't being dragged into unmarked vans or being treated violently by the police despite actively taking part in targeted violence. Anonymity is a slippery slope, but the alternative is being catalogued by the police and targeted by them afterwards with mass arrest or unlawful abduction. And while I understand what you're getting at with "you don't need to stoop to their level to fight them", that line of rhetoric - appealing to some sense of honour, like the only way to fight back against unjust practices is to be better than that - contributes to this continuing idea of "you go high, we go low". The right partakes in some scummy action to undermine the left, and if the left retaliates in any way, they're held to higher scrutiny than the group who sought to undermine them to begin with. You saw it in 2016 when the Republicans blocked any and all Democratic nominations for the Supreme Court in the wake of Scalia's death - the Democratic party could have convened a vote to appoint a replacement anyway, but doing so would have attracted a disproportionate amount of backlash from the right, despite their own underhanded tactics. Any violence I've seen from Antifa has been in defence. Their MO is to protest policies like migrant child detention, and excessive police force, and laws that seek to strip back regulations and give the government more power than they really need. They're facing excessive violence from the far right, the police force, ICE and the DHS, as well as unlawful detention from those last three organisations, over protests that start peaceful before the police move in to escalate the situation. Simply by defending themselves in the face of violence, they're being held to a higher standard than the police, ICE, DHS and reactionary right-wing groups - all of which have actively incited violence against left-wing protest. The left trends towards taking the high ground, but look at what they're up against. You can't expect people to just bow to a force who've actively sought to maim them for over a month. Antifascist protestors are protesting against a force who've taken to firing tear gas canisters straight into the faces of protestors, who have blinded people by shooting them in the face with rubber bullets. So what, after protestors have shed blood at the hands of an aggressive police force turning to brutality to quell dissent, they need to be good little eggs who go home and do what the police tell them to do, in hopes that their moral high ground will outshine the actions of the police to attack them, the white house to equate them to neo-Nazi groups and the government agencies who illegally detained them, forced them to sign legal documents under duress and took identifying pictures of their faces? That's not a realistic standard. Going high meant that the Democrats lost out on a Supreme Court appointment they should have been able to fill. Going high leaves the left wing open to slander that won't be tolerated against the right wing in response. If going high means accepting the sheer depths of brutality that has been levelled against legal protestors, then all that's left to do is let the right get away with whatever they want with no pushback. The only reason you're seeing a left-wing that's willing to fight back is because there is a right-wing willing to attack them. --- Are you proud to be a Mayonnaise American? <cite>MrMallard posted [p:942694353] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>nemu posted... </cite> <quote>I don't get why it matters if they aren't as shitty as the other group. Petty Thieves Against Rapists wouldn't be a group I'd support just because they're against something shittier than themselves. They do more shady shit than good, and the inherent issues with group anonymity makes it bad concept from the get go. You can protest against white supremisist shitbags without needing to follow their particular MO.</quote>I think it's important because they're being compared directly to radical right-wing hate groups, who have a three-figure body count in the same amount of time. There's an argument that's being circulated by the president of the United States that there's "left-wing fascism", that the left is just as violent as the right, but the current radical left scapegoat doesn't have a body count - while radical right-wing groups have been tied to over 100 deaths. I feel like reducing this to "Petty Thieves Against Rapists" is a pretty gross generalisation, because it furthers this idea that antifa are a bunch of crooks pushing over old ladies to steal their purse. At least from what I've seen, any violence from left-wing protestors has been reactive, not proactive - not really comparable to the actions of a mugger. Antifa is just a label that antifascist protestors adopt when protesting organisations, groups and laws that would seek to normalise elements of fascism - they're not going out with billy clubs, knocking in heads with no impunity. But you've got the Boogaloo Boys and the Proud Boys who actively start conflicts so they can gang up on left-wing protestors and beat the fuck out of them - and what's particularly fucked up is that that's a pattern of behaviour that the police and homeland security are adopting as well. Give them the least amount of leeway possible, yell that you feel threatened, then start firing tear gas into people's faces. So again - it matters to counter this false equivalency that the left is just as violent as the right, and equating Antifa to petty thieves going against a more heinous group of criminals - with the explicit statement that both sides commit crime that's impossible to endorse - is another means to further this false equivalency. I understand the concern about anonymity, in the same sense that you wouldn't want a group like Anonymous conducting mass doxxings or anything like that. But are anonymous antifa protestors actually overstepping their boundaries and committing proactive, violent crime enabled by their anonymity? Because from where I see it, where protestors are being pushed into unmarked vans and detained illegally, and in a world where BLM protestors from 2014 and beyond have increasingly been going missing and turning up dead - anonymity has only been used to prevent people from being unjustly targeted by law enforcement. Compare this to boogaloo boys and proud boys, who don't cover themselves up and who actively seek to commit violent crime against left-wing protestors, but who aren't being dragged into unmarked vans or being treated violently by the police despite actively taking part in targeted violence. Anonymity is a slippery slope, but the alternative is being catalogued by the police and targeted by them afterwards with mass arrest or unlawful abduction. And while I understand what you're getting at with "you don't need to stoop to their level to fight them", that line of rhetoric - appealing to some sense of honour, like the only way to fight back against unjust practices is to be better than that - contributes to this continuing idea of "you go high, we go low". The right partakes in some scummy action to undermine the left, and if the left retaliates in any way, they're held to higher scrutiny than the group who sought to undermine them to begin with. You saw it in 2016 when the Republicans blocked any and all Democratic nominations for the Supreme Court in the wake of Scalia's death - the Democratic party could have convened a vote to appoint a replacement anyway, but doing so would have attracted a disproportionate amount of backlash from the right, despite their own underhanded tactics. Any violence I've seen from Antifa has been in defence. Their MO is to protest policies like migrant child detention, and excessive police force, and laws that seek to strip back regulations and give the government more power than they really need. They're facing excessive violence from the far right, the police force, ICE and the DHS, as well as unlawful detention from those last three organisations, over protests that start peaceful before the police move in to escalate the situation. Simply by defending themselves in the face of violence, they're being held to a higher standard than the police, ICE, DHS and reactionary right-wing groups - all of which have actively incited violence against left-wing protest. The left trends towards taking the high ground, but look at what they're up against. You can't expect people to just bow to a force who've actively sought to maim them for over a month. Antifascist protestors are protesting against a force who've taken to firing tear gas canisters straight into the faces of protestors, who have blinded people by shooting them in the face with rubber bullets. So what, after protestors have shed blood at the hands of an aggressive police force turning to brutality to quell dissent, they need to be good little eggs who go home and do what the police tell them to do, in hopes that their moral high ground will outshine the actions of the police to attack them, the white house to equate them to neo-Nazi groups and the government agencies who illegally detained them, forced them to sign legal documents under duress and took identifying pictures of their faces? That's not a realistic standard. Going high meant that the Democrats lost out on a Supreme Court appointment they should have been able to fill. Going high leaves the left wing open to slander that won't be tolerated against the right wing in response. If going high means accepting the sheer depths of brutality that has been levelled against legal protestors, then all that's left to do is let the right get away with whatever they want with no pushback. The only reason you're seeing a left-wing that's willing to fight back is because there is a right-wing willing to attack them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 07/28/20 3:00:45 PM #110:	Slayer_22 posted... Tmaster is really, really bad at it, isn't he? I haven't read any of his posts in this topic Slayer_22 posted... Edit: btw, where'd you get the name? My first thought was Danny Trejo but lol. This was originally an alt and the original name of it was ImTheMacheteGuy. I made it because I randomly bought a machete for no other reason than I was drunk and a buddy of mine happened to see machetes in a store in a mall we were wandering around in and they were only $20 and he was like "I kinda wanna buy one lol" and I was like "I'm buying one if you're buying one. Probably gonna do it anyway" because $20 seemed like a really low price for such a large blade. I thought it was amusing that I did that because I didn't really need it for anything, so I made a gimmick alt based on it and when I closed my original main, I made this one my main and eventually name changed when I could. The Machete movie franchise didn't actually exist yet when I made the account (based on the timeline, the first one may have been filming or in production, but I don't think it had been officially announced yet) --- Who can @ Mention me? -Nobody- <cite>Machete posted [p:942695722] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>Tmaster is really, really bad at it, isn't he?</quote> I haven't read any of his posts in this topic Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>Edit: btw, where'd you get the name? My first thought was Danny Trejo but lol.</quote> This was originally an alt and the original name of it was ImTheMacheteGuy. I made it because I randomly bought a machete for no other reason than I was drunk and a buddy of mine happened to see machetes in a store in a mall we were wandering around in and they were only $20 and he was like "I kinda wanna buy one lol" and I was like "I'm buying one if you're buying one. Probably gonna do it anyway" because $20 seemed like a really low price for such a large blade. I thought it was amusing that I did that because I didn't really need it for anything, so I made a gimmick alt based on it and when I closed my original main, I made this one my main and eventually name changed when I could. The Machete movie franchise didn't actually exist yet when I made the account (based on the timeline, the first one may have been filming or in production, but I don't think it had been officially announced yet) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 07/28/20 6:06:18 PM #111:	100+ posts and this guy is still using Oregon Man as his example? Fucking Christ Slayer did you go to school in the US? I'm blaming our trash education on this one. --- <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:942703532] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>100+ posts and this guy is still using Oregon Man as his example? Fucking Christ Slayer did you go to school in the US? I'm blaming our trash education on this one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 07/28/20 6:47:17 PM #112:	Ruvan22 posted... So are you saying "There ARE murders linked to Antifa" or "This title is too broad, it should have said "There are no Antifa ideology motivated murders"? The second bit. Thank you for reading what I'm saying and not whining because you can't be assed to read. Machete posted... I haven't read any of his posts in this topic This was originally an alt and the original name of it was ImTheMacheteGuy. I made it because I randomly bought a machete for no other reason than I was drunk and a buddy of mine happened to see machetes in a store in a mall we were wandering around in and they were only $20 and he was like "I kinda wanna buy one lol" and I was like "I'm buying one if you're buying one. Probably gonna do it anyway" because $20 seemed like a really low price for such a large blade. I thought it was amusing that I did that because I didn't really need it for anything, so I made a gimmick alt based on it and when I closed my original main, I made this one my main and eventually name changed when I could. The Machete movie franchise didn't actually exist yet when I made the account (based on the timeline, the first one may have been filming or in production, but I don't think it had been officially announced yet) That's probably the most interesting story based on a username I've seen yet. Blue_Dream87 posted... 100+ posts and this guy is still using Oregon Man as his example? Fucking Christ Slayer did you go to school in the US? I'm blaming our trash education on this one. It's almost as if you can't think or read on your own so you just result to insults. --- livingdeadrpg.proboards.com "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:942704969] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote> So are you saying "There ARE murders linked to Antifa" or "This title is too broad, it should have said "There are no Antifa ideology motivated murders"? </quote> The second bit. Thank you for reading what I'm saying and not whining because you can't be assed to read. Machete posted...</cite> <quote> I haven't read any of his posts in this topic This was originally an alt and the original name of it was ImTheMacheteGuy. I made it because I randomly bought a machete for no other reason than I was drunk and a buddy of mine happened to see machetes in a store in a mall we were wandering around in and they were only $20 and he was like "I kinda wanna buy one lol" and I was like "I'm buying one if you're buying one. Probably gonna do it anyway" because $20 seemed like a really low price for such a large blade. I thought it was amusing that I did that because I didn't really need it for anything, so I made a gimmick alt based on it and when I closed my original main, I made this one my main and eventually name changed when I could. The Machete movie franchise didn't actually exist yet when I made the account (based on the timeline, the first one may have been filming or in production, but I don't think it had been officially announced yet) </quote> That's probably the most interesting story based on a username I've seen yet. Blue_Dream87 posted...</cite> <quote>100+ posts and this guy is still using Oregon Man as his example? Fucking Christ Slayer did you go to school in the US? I'm blaming our trash education on this one. </quote> It's almost as if you can't think or read on your own so you just result to insults.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerKhan420 07/28/20 6:48:47 PM #113:	So called "anti fascist" haven't been around for 50 years. They've been known for only these past few years and no, they do have a body count and in these "protest" riots the number only grows. --- "I know how the business works because I'm a wrestling fan"-hulkhogan1 <cite>KillerKhan420 posted [p:942705034] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>So called "anti fascist" haven't been around for 50 years. They've been known for only these past few years and no, they do have a body count and in these "protest" riots the number only grows. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Platoe 07/28/20 10:45:21 PM #114:	but antifa though <cite>Platoe posted [p:942713638] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>but antifa though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 07/28/20 11:53:57 PM #115:	KillerKhan420 posted... So called "anti fascist" haven't been around for 50 years. They've been known for only these past few years and no, they do have a body count and in these "protest" riots the number only grows. youre right, theyve been around for almost 100 years. if you specifically mean in the USA youd be correct, but only because theyve been around for 40 years now, as for the body count go ahead and source that claim. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:942715964] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>KillerKhan420 posted... </cite> <quote>So called "anti fascist" haven't been around for 50 years. They've been known for only these past few years and no, they do have a body count and in these "protest" riots the number only grows.</quote> youre right, theyve been around for almost 100 years. if you specifically mean in the USA youd be correct, but only because theyve been around for 40 years now, as for the body count go ahead and source that claim. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 07/29/20 5:55:42 AM #116:	KillerKhan420 posted... So called "anti fascist" haven't been around for 50 years. They've been known for only these past few years and no, they do have a body count and in these "protest" riots the number only grows. The figures in the OP are from the last 26 years, when antifascist groups and far-right hate groups both existed. --- Are you proud to be a Mayonnaise American? <cite>MrMallard posted [p:942722584] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>KillerKhan420 posted... </cite> <quote>So called "anti fascist" haven't been around for 50 years. They've been known for only these past few years and no, they do have a body count and in these "protest" riots the number only grows.</quote>The figures in the OP are from the last 26 years, when antifascist groups and far-right hate groups both existed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maze_ 07/29/20 5:57:30 AM #117:	Tyranthraxus posted... --- When the going gets tough, the tough go have a little cry in the corner. "Your mustache is crooked" ~ R.I.P Randy Savage. <cite>Maze_ posted [p:942722610] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote></quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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