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The Mana Sword
05/21/20 4:40:48 PM
#102:


FFDragon posted...
You have obviously forgotten the peak of Final Fantasy battle systems:

X-2

And I will fight anyone on this.

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BK_Sheikah00
05/21/20 4:46:37 PM
#103:


Eh. The problem with X-2 is that a lot of mechanics can be safely ignored. I got 100% and I don't think I ever bothered with traveling a dressphere to get a bunch of bonuses. The combos are cool but again can be ignored. I feel 7R and Lightning Returns make you work a lot more with its systems and I prefer that.

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htaeD
05/21/20 4:52:04 PM
#104:


I guess I am one of the few who liked FFX's battle system... at least the CTB part of it.

ATB never resonated with me much, until this game.
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BlackDra90n
05/21/20 5:01:24 PM
#105:


I really liked FFX's battle system when I first played it but it feels a bit too slow for me now. At least with ATB you can chain together attacks fairly quickly.

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TheRock1525
05/21/20 5:02:59 PM
#106:


LR is X-2 but better.

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foolm0r0n
05/21/20 10:53:57 PM
#107:


FFDragon posted...
You have obviously forgotten the peak of Final Fantasy battle systems:

X-2

And I will fight anyone on this.
7R is very similar to it but better tbh

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foolm0r0n
05/21/20 10:58:58 PM
#108:


X's system is definitely the best for strategy. The timeline based mechanics are just too good. So many little nuances that you can learn to hyper optimize your moves. I remember having to grind SO much to beat some of these bosses, and now I can flee from all random battles (other than some for spheres) and still beat everything easily.

20 years later it is slow, but honestly even 10-15 years later it was still keeping up with most RPG systems, even action ones. The instant responsiveness and cinematic camera have aged super well. I wish 7R had more of that dynamic camera stuff actually (it does with limits which is the best).

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Steiner
05/22/20 12:48:26 AM
#109:


X is easily my favourite battle system. I ended up not disliking this one but I'd still take any turn based RPG, that's just what I prefer

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MoogleKupo141
05/22/20 12:50:26 AM
#110:


Im also on team X. Its the best turned based battle system in any game.
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davidponte
05/22/20 6:41:22 AM
#111:


X all the way

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Steiner
05/22/20 6:54:11 AM
#112:


i wish they would just release some more ffx. they made a perfect battle system and it'll never be seen again. tragic

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BlackDra90n
05/22/20 9:36:34 AM
#113:


I wonder if they'll remake FFX anytime soon. I could see FF8R coming first but I wonder what would be next.

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MartinFF7
05/22/20 10:11:44 AM
#114:


I'd like to point out that all three Xenosaga games use a turn-based combat system like FFX has, which is really way better than any ATB system. And also allows for switching out characters mid-battle (in eps 2 and 3) like FFX.

So, uh, everybody go play Xenosaga.
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ctesjbuvf
05/22/20 10:16:27 AM
#115:


I'd expect FFIX before FFX. FFX looks pretty great on in the remaster, which is out on everything basically.

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davidponte
05/22/20 10:24:53 AM
#116:


I will gladly buy FFX for a fourth time.

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ctesjbuvf
05/22/20 10:27:31 AM
#117:


My roommate has it on four consoles. I'm at two personally. But 7 must be maximum now? It's nice they're available everywhere basically.

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BlackDra90n
05/22/20 10:52:39 AM
#118:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I'd expect FFIX before FFX. FFX looks pretty great on in the remaster, which is out on everything basically.

Can someone explain to me FFIX btw. I finally got around to playing it in the last month and I can't say I'm impressed with the game. I totally missed it when it first came out so maybe that's a reason why I don't think it's all that good.

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FFDragon
05/22/20 11:21:21 AM
#119:


It's not good.

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The Mana Sword
05/22/20 11:23:27 AM
#120:


FFDragon posted...
It's not good.

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FFDragon
05/22/20 11:25:05 AM
#121:


You telling me you liked 9's Gilgamesh?

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The Mana Sword
05/22/20 11:29:52 AM
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Rollthebones2
05/22/20 11:33:01 AM
#123:


FFIX is damn near perfect. The main cast, overall, has more satisfying character arcs than any other FF I can recall. In my view, it has a more interesting world than its contemporaries, the music is flawless, and the minigames are excellent (even if tetra master is a bit difficult to comprehend at first).

FFIX does character-based storytelling as well as any RPG I've played, all set against the backdrop of a more interesting world than we see in previous FF games. FFIX is aging the best of the series because the paths of Vivi, Zidane, Steiner, Garnet, and Freya (and to a lesser extent Eiko and Quina, but never Amarant) feel like they matter and feel relatable.

Just my opinion, but as someone who initially ignored FFIX when played through the series when they were new, it has quickly become my second favourite FF (behind only Tactics).

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FFDragon
05/22/20 11:34:23 AM
#124:


I will give you Chocobo Hot and Cold, but that's all you'll get from me.

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Rollthebones2
05/22/20 11:38:15 AM
#125:


FFDragon posted...
I will give you Chocobo Hot and Cold, but that's all you'll get from me.

Chocobo Hot and Cold and the Friendly Monsters (I suppose this is more a sidequest than minigame - maybe I'm conflating my ideas here) are both absolutely amazing. I can appreciate that the rest - skipping rope, races, tetra master, frog-hunting, etc - could be very 'take it or leave it' to seasoned RPG fans.

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BlackDra90n
05/22/20 12:37:49 PM
#126:


Rollthebones2 posted...
FFIX is damn near perfect. The main cast, overall, has more satisfying character arcs than any other FF I can recall. In my view, it has a more interesting world than its contemporaries, the music is flawless, and the minigames are excellent (even if tetra master is a bit difficult to comprehend at first).

FFIX does character-based storytelling as well as any RPG I've played, all set against the backdrop of a more interesting world than we see in previous FF games. FFIX is aging the best of the series because the paths of Vivi, Zidane, Steiner, Garnet, and Freya (and to a lesser extent Eiko and Quina, but never Amarant) feel like they matter and feel relatable.

Just my opinion, but as someone who initially ignored FFIX when played through the series when they were new, it has quickly become my second favourite FF (behind only Tactics).

Hm, well, it's definitely subjective. I thought that Vivi and Steiner's arcs were good but I wasn't really impressed with any of the other characters. The minigames also just seemed super tedious to me.

Overall I don't think it's a bad game but it's just not really my style of game I guess.

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Rollthebones2
05/22/20 1:09:58 PM
#127:


BlackDra90n posted...
Hm, well, it's definitely subjective. I thought that Vivi and Steiner's arcs were good but I wasn't really impressed with any of the other characters. The minigames also just seemed super tedious to me.

Overall I don't think it's a bad game but it's just not really my style of game I guess.

Fair enough - if the characters aren't resonating and the world doesn't have a particular appeal, the game's charms definitely won't take hold. I do think Zidane has the best characterization of a mainline FF hero, although it does take a long time to unfold (beginning at the end of disc 3 and culminating in the last few scenes of the epilogue).

I should say that each time I replay an FF game from FF4 to FFX, I tend to re-evaluate my ranking, as I love part of them all. They all do particular things very well and are probably worth playing (something that I'm not sure is true of the series since FFXIII)

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TheRock1525
05/22/20 3:46:17 PM
#128:


Man I never thought I'd say this, but I'm so happy to be in a sewer level.

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htaeD
05/22/20 4:01:23 PM
#129:


Rollthebones2 posted...


Chocobo Hot and Cold and the Friendly Monsters (I suppose this is more a sidequest than minigame - maybe I'm conflating my ideas here) are both absolutely amazing. I can appreciate that the rest - skipping rope, races, tetra master, frog-hunting, etc - could be very 'take it or leave it' to seasoned RPG fans.


They are lighyears ahead of FFX's minigames (all of them)
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Not_an_Owl
05/22/20 4:05:33 PM
#130:


IX is a fantastically crafted game in regards to everything except the battle and ability learning systems.

Which is ironic, because that's exactly how I feel about 7R!

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Lucavi000
05/22/20 4:11:33 PM
#131:


IX is so slow that it's painful

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Murphiroth
05/22/20 4:15:52 PM
#132:


IX is the best game in the series and the ability system is probably my favorite in any RPG.

Slow battle speed is the biggest complaint, but setting it to fast mitigates most of that problem for me personally, and in the remasters you have turbo mode which completely removes the problem.

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MartinFF7
05/22/20 5:51:54 PM
#133:


Yeah first thing I do in a new game is set battle speed to max, and then you're set.

Especially set once you got the Auto-Haste + Auto-Regen tandem in place, almost unfair at that point....

TheRock1525 posted...
Man I never thought I'd say this, but I'm so happy to be in a sewer level.

I lol'ed

But now I wonder if you still feel that way even after how tedious it was (and the frog spells, and the defensive crab postures, and the fish sleep spells)
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Ayvuir
05/22/20 6:04:18 PM
#134:


Rollthebones2 posted...
FFIX is damn near perfect. The main cast, overall, has more satisfying character arcs than any other FF I can recall. In my view, it has a more interesting world than its contemporaries, the music is flawless, and the minigames are excellent (even if tetra master is a bit difficult to comprehend at first).

FFIX does character-based storytelling as well as any RPG I've played, all set against the backdrop of a more interesting world than we see in previous FF games. FFIX is aging the best of the series because the paths of Vivi, Zidane, Steiner, Garnet, and Freya (and to a lesser extent Eiko and Quina, but never Amarant) feel like they matter and feel relatable.

Just my opinion, but as someone who initially ignored FFIX when played through the series when they were new, it has quickly become my second favourite FF (behind only Tactics).

100% agree with your opinion. FFIX is not only my favorite FF game of all time, it's my favorite game of all time, for the reasons exactly stated in your post.

The whole point of Final Fantasy, for me, is that its meant to be fantastical. FFIX had so many non-human and wonderful characters and creatures spread throughout the game, and the whole aesthetic of the world was so fairy-tale-esque and old style. Obviously this is all on preference, but to me FFIX personified exactly what an FF game should be.


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GANON1025
05/22/20 6:09:02 PM
#135:


I guess you could say, I'm drawn towards FF8

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GANON1025
05/22/20 6:09:39 PM
#136:


Though i'll spira the details and just say that FFX is probably me favorite of them all.

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SavageInTheBox
05/22/20 6:24:30 PM
#137:


MartinFF7 posted...


I lol'ed

But now I wonder if you still feel that way even after how tedious it was (and the frog spells, and the defensive crab postures, and the fish sleep spells)

Not to mention having to go back

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foolm0r0n
05/22/20 6:33:53 PM
#138:


Crabs can be ohko'd with Tifa's chi ball attack

As for the frogging, I still haven't figured that one out... It's the absolute worst

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MartinFF7
05/22/20 6:39:49 PM
#139:


It's weird watching streamers use all these techniques I never did... like I dont think I used divekick or chi trap once in my initial playthrough. Was too set in my ways! Also friggin love Starshower, lol

In hard mode I had Resist-All deployed for some key fights and that def takes care of the curse...
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skullbone
05/22/20 6:42:55 PM
#140:


The frog attack is a pretty slow spell that you can easily dodge

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BK_Sheikah00
05/22/20 6:46:38 PM
#141:


Frog attack has an aoe you move out of. Firaga+Magnify makes Sahagin a joke. Add Arcane Ward for good measure.

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SavageInTheBox
05/22/20 7:55:09 PM
#142:


Is there any use for that auto-Frog accessory? Is it just for solo runs?

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lordjers
05/22/20 10:51:25 PM
#143:


7R's battle system is what made me dislike it the most.

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Epyo
05/22/20 11:21:15 PM
#144:


I love the combat, I think it's brilliant.

...Buuuuuut while I'm participating in the combat, I often kinda feel frustrated, and have to remind myself that I like it, and try to ignore the frustration.

For one thing, it's very unusual to have a game where you can dodge and block but you're basically guaranteed to be taking damage throughout a fight. In most games, taking damage means you made a mistake, well, except in turn-based games (like original FF7, or most RPGs) where you're clearly taking turns hurting each other, and there's clearly no avoiding it.

...But in FF7R, you're not necessarily taking turns hitting each other, you're fully participating in the action. I often felt bad about healing during a fight--I'd have to logically remind myself that this was okay and expected, I'm expected to be healing a lot just like the original FF7, I shouldn't feel bad.

The other main frustration is when there are boss-like enemies that just take excruciatingly long to kill if you don't understand the trick, or if you simply didn't bring the correct magic element. There were 2 or 3 bosses in the game that took me over 45 minutes to kill (one single fight, without starting over) because I didn't bring the right stuff. That's way too long to be in one fight.

But on the other hand, I admit, it was fantastic how every encounter felt quite fresh and unique, throughout the game. In the original game, 95% of the fights felt identical.

Anyway, what impresses me most about the combat is how differently everyone approaches it, and successfully. I've watched several streamers play through the game after I finished, and they all had extremely different styles, and I could tell everyone in the chats had very different advice as well.

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ctesjbuvf
05/23/20 5:10:17 AM
#145:




SavageInTheBox posted...
Is there any use for that auto-Frog accessory? Is it just for solo runs?

I'm assuming it has been put in there for fun and to give players some weird challenge.

It does however help you if you don't want to end the fight for a while, like when trying to steal an item or learn an enemy skill. It's nothing major, but the characters you don't control can end the fight before you manage and they're way less likely to if they're a frog. I think that's the only actual use you can make of it.

Also, as annoying as it is, I do like the unique frog designs this time.

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Murphiroth
05/23/20 5:19:00 AM
#146:


SavageInTheBox posted...
Is there any use for that auto-Frog accessory? Is it just for solo runs?

You can do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB_Gxcq6yc0&t=74s

But yeah overall seems useless.

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TheRock1525
05/24/20 1:39:43 PM
#147:


Man the train graveyard change completely shifts the concept from the original. Especially with the change in music.

Not sure if for better or worse.

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turbopuns3
05/24/20 9:07:14 PM
#148:


Yeah, the sewer and train graveyard are a pair of consecutive chapters that feel like the purpose of their padding is to give you a chance to develop feelings for Tifa and Aerith
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colliding
05/24/20 11:11:53 PM
#149:


The Train Graveyard is absolutely better. The sewers are meh.
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turbopuns3
05/24/20 11:17:44 PM
#150:


Yeah I'm a fan, just to be clear on that. I support the idea that a series of small insignificant events does cause you to bond with the characters and the world a little, too.
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_stingers_
05/24/20 11:27:44 PM
#151:


I very much enjoyed the train graveyard in this version compared to the original

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