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DoctorBIind 05/14/20 2:11:39 AM #354: |
I know I'm late to the party watching on the west coast, but maaaaan, I almost let myself believe Tony could lose. He's fine and all, but I was really rooting for Michelle/Natalie there. And to see Michelle receive zero votes is tragic.
I did appreciate how unique their games were compared to each other and I acknowledge Tony deserved the win, but it would've been nice to see a fave of mine win for the first time S32. Great, unpredictable final in terms of those voted out prior to the final 3, but ultimately a very predictable winner. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 05/14/20 2:23:57 AM #355: |
Good finale. I wish they would scrap the final four firemaking. Then it's 3-1 against Tony or 2-2 with Tony facing Michelle at firemaking. I would also support bringing back the Final 2.
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Underleveled 05/14/20 9:57:42 AM #356: |
So here's a piece of trivia that should be some consolation to Michele and her fans. Unless I'm missing someone, I believe she is currently the only Survivor to play multiple times who has never been voted out, medivac'd, or quit.
Anyway Probst seems committed to getting S41 filmed and aired for the fall. Considering there will still be restrictions on social gatherings and travel, and Jeff's somewhat cryptic "we're always trying new things" comment last night, I'm bracing for it to be the TAR8 of Survivor, in terms of content, not necessarily quality - something different than we're used to, maybe a bit simplified (fewer players, shorter game, filmed in the US, etc.). --- darkx ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Inviso 05/14/20 10:03:20 AM #357: |
Underleveled posted...
So here's a piece of trivia that should be some consolation to Michele and her fans. Unless I'm missing someone, I believe she is currently the only Survivor to play multiple times who has never been voted out, medivac'd, or quit. If they cast the Weaver family, I'm all for it. Although, I feel like I heard rumors that Rolly became a neo-Nazi...so...maybe not. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Mana Sword 05/14/20 11:32:54 AM #358: |
Underleveled posted...
So here's a piece of trivia that should be some consolation to Michele and her fans. Unless I'm missing someone, I believe she is currently the only Survivor to play multiple times who has never been voted out, medivac'd, or quit. Yeah this is accurate. <Redacted> and Jenna M. being the other two that were technically never voted out, but removed early for other reason. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Underleveled 05/14/20 12:06:11 PM #359: |
The Mana Sword posted...
Redacted and Jenna M. being the other two that were technically never voted out, but removed early for other reason.And Colton --- darkx ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CoolCly 05/14/20 3:15:50 PM #360: |
where the hell are the michelle votes
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CoolCly 05/14/20 3:42:03 PM #362: |
So yeah i just finished the finale, my rough thoughts
Tony played a great game all throughout so him winning is good. I like him a lot. But I really liked Michelle and thought she had a decent shot. I think Natalie did not play well at all. She had idols and won an immunity so she was completely safe from being voted out, but whenever she had strategic choice, I think she chose poorly
2) taking control of tribal and voting out Ben 3) beating Tony Vlachos, big papa of the season at fire. 4) joint credit for a lot of Ton'ys moves It's just all such bad choices, and I think we see enough of Michelle pointing out to Natalie why these are all bad ideas that these weren't her ideas I think MIchelle saw the right path through all of this, just like she did earlier with Nick and Jeremy, but her biggest weakness is not being able to convince her allies not to make stupid choices. Probably the biggest failure in this regard was not pushing harder to get Natalie to put her in for fire against Tony (another last minute dumb decision by Natalie) I don't necessarily think Michelle should have won even though I was rooting for her, I think she always had a really good sense of what was going on and what her path was and that's how she kept wiggling through every situation to the end. I'm unhappy she got no votes because I think she deserves a lot more credit for her game instead of Natalie I'm a lot more pro edge than most but I feel like Natalie got her votes because of the standard Edge bias of people who got to spend so much time with her throughout the game. I don't think she should have gotten that much credit. Ben should never be allowed on Survivor again. --- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Inviso 05/14/20 4:02:34 PM #363: |
In both cases, they returned to a group of five in which there was a CLEAR winner standing head and shoulders above all of the others. The difference is that in EoE, Rick was on the outs with the tribe and everyone KNEW he was a big threat, so it was easy for Chris to utilize Rick as a shield and temporary ally. With Natalie, she comes back into the game and the obvious winner (Tony) is insulated in a solid foursome with two players who seemed checked out of the game, and a third who seemed oblivious to the perception that she was a goat. Chris was able to hide his threat level behind Rick, whereas Natalie immediately became public enemy number one, since the only other outsider was someone more non-threatening, like Michele. I just think the collection of Victoria/Gavin/Lauren/Julie offered far more flexibility and maneuverability than we saw from Denise/Sarah/Ben. With that in mind, I think it was difficult for Natalie to play the kind of strong game she needed to play, and ultimately, I think the season came down to Tony being able to idol himself at six, win immunity at five, and win the fire-making at four. The EoE players were actually able to take Rick out, whereas the WaW cast couldn't take Tony out. That shouldn't necessarily be an indictment of Natalie's game. Tony just played REALLY well this season, and I think a far-too-large portion of the endgame cast allowed him to run circles around them, which limited options for the counteralliance of Natalie and Michele (particularly for Michele prior to the finale). --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Peridiam 05/14/20 4:23:34 PM #364: |
I think Sarah stands a good chance at winning that F3 if she makes fire faster than Tony.
I also think Natalie should've given up her necklace. The "wow" factor goes a long way, especially for someone who had only been in the main game for like 5 days. She did well to pull 4 votes but I think the right play was giving up the necklace and beating Tony at fire. I said it live before she lost and I still believe it -- that's the winning move. Understandable why she wouldn't though. She had confidence in herself to pull the win regardless, but oh well. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Naye745 05/14/20 4:25:43 PM #365: |
for what it's worth, i think the crux of rob's argument was: if you're worried that tony is going to win that you want him out (and are clearly openly rooting for sarah), go do it yourself. the fact that he made it to the finals is on natalie's hands, so to speak.
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Mewtwo59 05/14/20 4:28:24 PM #366: |
CoolCly posted...
where the hell are the michelle votes Apparently Danni, Wendell, Adam, and Nick all said they were considering voting for Michele, but they didn't want to risk Natalie winning so they voted for Tony. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartinFF7 05/14/20 4:38:09 PM #367: |
I saw a screenshot from a news article somewhere claiming Tony created a fake idol (with the legit rules sheet from his real idol) that he gave to Sarah which is why it was Ben instead of her targeted at the final 5.
...just another scene that would've been nice to have, can always use more Tony antics. Also I forgot to mention this when it came on pages 1/2 but EOE Victoria is still one of my fav contestants from the past few seasons and yeah, really hope they bring her back for another go-around. Sooner rather than later. Without EOE. https://twitter.com/veebaamonde/status/1260729016744579073 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SavageInTheBox 05/14/20 4:42:47 PM #368: |
I saw an interview with Natalie where she said she voted out Denise instead of Sarah because she thought Sarah was more open to working with her. I don't know if that held true for the Ben vote. I'm not sure Natalie would buy a fake idol when Tony and Ben both played one at the previous tribal and she found the replacement.
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SavageInTheBox 05/14/20 4:45:17 PM #369: |
Mewtwo59 posted...
Apparently Danni, Wendell, Adam, and Nick all said they were considering voting for Michele, but they didn't want to risk Natalie winning so they voted for Tony. Yeah Nick posted his full tribal testimonial on Instagram to explain why the edit made it seem like he voted for Michele. He said he really wanted to vote for her because she was his best friend on the island and he knows what it's like to play from the bottom, but Tony played the best game ever and he didn't want to cast his vote for who should get second place. --- TimJab ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SavageInTheBox 05/14/20 4:48:46 PM #370: |
Underleveled posted...
And I really truly do hate the sexism card, but even I can't deny that 80% of the last 15 seasons being won by men is problematic, and 100% of the winners since Me Too being male is particularly uncomfortable. On the other hand, you could just realize that you're being dramatic and it's not a big deal at all --- TimJab ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SavageInTheBox 05/14/20 4:58:11 PM #371: |
Natalie made pretty much the worst possible choice at firemaking. Either she should have put herself in it to take out Tony, or put Michele in Sarah's place.
If she beats Tony, she has a much better chance at winning. If Michele beats Tony, Michele's chances improve somewhat but so do Natalie's. If Tony beats Michele, now you're in a final 3 with Tony and Sarah where they potentially split the votes and make your threshold for winning much lower. --- TimJab ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SavageInTheBox 05/14/20 4:59:44 PM #372: |
One last sidenote, I felt bad when "totally still getting a paycheck" essential worker Tony was talking about how his winnings would help with financial security in uncertain times in front of "definitely out of a job" bartender Michele
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Mewtwo59 05/14/20 5:00:40 PM #373: |
Michele isn't a bartender anymore. The Survivor wiki says she's a business development manager now.
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Inviso 05/14/20 5:18:15 PM #374: |
I actually thought it came across as a bit more tone deaf when Tony's video showed him sitting with his back to a pretty lush-looking kitchen/dining room, while Natalie and Michele were at least up against walls. That was my initial thought when he started talking about financial hardships, at least. Like, I'm sure that two million is gonna go a long way, but like...it's like Brian Heidik's home video (no, not one of those) all over again. >_>
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FFDragon 05/14/20 5:40:05 PM #375: |
I mean, I get it, times are rough and all.
But these people are all - by definition of playing the game this season - millionaires. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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X_Dante_X 05/14/20 6:01:45 PM #376: |
FFDragon posted...
not necessarily! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQGWY0woy0 --- boring and mundane signature Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 05/14/20 6:20:01 PM #377: |
Survivor also pays a significant amount for 2nd and 3rd place. All of this season's contestants are probably doing fine financially.
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FFDragon 05/14/20 6:23:54 PM #378: |
thanks, obama
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Moonroof 05/14/20 8:38:45 PM #379: |
Just when I thought I couldn't hate Sarah anymore, she goes and plays the gender card. And everybody ate it up and went along with it. Barf.
Ben trolling Sarah to vote for him made zero sense. He clearly quit at that point and deserved to go home. Sarah voting for him made negative sense. She could've voted for literally anyone else. Sarah getting eliminated in the fire building challenge might have been the most satisfying result in Survivor history. Especially when she talked shit to Tony right before it began. Tony deserved to win. I felt bad that Michelle didn't have a single vote. Natalie did well to fight her way back but like Rob said, she needed to get rid of Tony. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CoolCly 05/15/20 12:47:28 AM #380: |
Peridiam posted...
I think Sarah stands a good chance at winning that F3 if she makes fire faster than Tony. I definitely think Sarah had a good shot of winning by beating Tony. I think her chances of winning against a Natalie or Michele that beat Tony is. I agree with Tim, putting Sarah up just seems bad on all fronts I have to think that if Natalie's confidence about beating Tony and fire, can you even go forward with that choice of doing it yourself? I like this meme https://i.redd.it/7k7cnzddysy41.jpg --- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SavageInTheBox 05/15/20 11:08:14 AM #381: |
Moonroof posted...
Just when I thought I couldn't hate Sarah anymore, she goes and plays the gender card. And everybody ate it up and went along with it. Barf. As groan inducing as it was, I have to assume Ben figured out (probably from Natalie) that he was headed for 0 votes and a raking over the coals by the jury. I guess the difference between 5th place and 3rd place wasn't much for him amd it was worth it to avoid that while also helping Sarah's game. --- TimJab ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SavageInTheBox 05/15/20 11:13:05 AM #382: |
I don't understand Michele's narrative at all. Her entire story was about proving that she deserved the votes she got at FTC the first go round, then she gets there again and...gets no votes. I love her but it doesn't feel like she proved anything.
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CoolCly 05/15/20 11:34:00 AM #383: |
Rob C said something like they set up a narrative reversal - first everyone thinks she didn't deserve her win, now she was robbed!
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Inviso 05/15/20 11:35:58 AM #384: |
CoolCly posted...
Rob C said something like they set up a narrative reversal - first everyone thinks she didn't deserve her win, now she was robbed! Yeah, but no one thinks she should've won...just that she should have come in second place over Natalie. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mewtwo59 05/15/20 12:09:28 PM #385: |
SavageInTheBox posted...
As groan inducing as it was, I have to assume Ben figured out (probably from Natalie) that he was headed for 0 votes and a raking over the coals by the jury. I guess the difference between 5th place and 3rd place wasn't much for him amd it was worth it to avoid that while also helping Sarah's game. The funny thing was that it probably hurt Sarah more than it helped. If she votes out Michele there, Sarah has a virtually guaranteed spot in the final 3. The only situation I see where Sarah doesn't make it is if Natalie decides Ben is such a good goat that she has to bring him to the end, and I don't think she'd want that considering Sarah would get the credit for taking out Tony if she won. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SavageInTheBox 05/15/20 2:46:00 PM #386: |
I don't think it was about creating a path for Sarah to get to the end, it was about giving her a resume to beat Tony. A move she could call her own where Tony was left out of the loop.
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eaedwards6400 05/15/20 2:53:40 PM #387: |
The point is that she's a good player and very much got to the end of the game on her own merit and like Ben and Sarah, she is happy with her performance and feels she deserved her win now.
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SavageInTheBox 05/15/20 2:55:56 PM #388: |
Yeah but she has already gotten to the end before. Her getting to the end and getting no votes kinda vindicates the trolls.
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Mewtwo59 05/15/20 3:00:39 PM #389: |
SavageInTheBox posted...
I don't think it was about creating a path for Sarah to get to the end, it was about giving her a resume to beat Tony. A move she could call her own where Tony was left out of the loop. That's the problem with "resume building". It wouldn't have mattered how well Tony played if Ben takes him out in fire. Ben was such a goat that even taking out Tony wouldn't have gotten him a vote, so Sarah gets all of the Tony votes and wins. It doesn't matter how good your game is if you don't even get to the final 3 in the first place, and Sarah forgot that. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SavageInTheBox 05/15/20 3:59:59 PM #390: |
Well yeah, but that's assuming Tony doesn't win F4 immunity. You can't be sure that Tony will end up making fire. And is Ben really a guaranteed fire making winner? I can't remember how dominant he was in his first season. Tony seemed pretty competent.
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Underleveled 05/15/20 6:23:59 PM #391: |
My biggest doubt about Ben throwing in the towel because he thought he had no shot with the jury is that last time he was so good at winning the jury over that he managed to get votes from Joe, who he'd gotten into a screaming match with, Lauren, who he taunted after unilaterally voting out, and JP, whose two closest allies in the game were the other two finalists. Two million dollars seems enticing enough to try and repeat that. Don't get me wrong, he definitely threw in the towel, but I don't know if realizing he was the goat influenced that.
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bwburke94 05/15/20 11:14:33 PM #392: |
I consider Ben more or less a quitter.
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Underleveled 05/15/20 11:20:05 PM #393: |
I mean, he's basically in the same boat as Fairplay 2.0 however you consider that.
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Mewtwo59 05/16/20 2:31:01 AM #394: |
SavageInTheBox posted...
Well yeah, but that's assuming Tony doesn't win F4 immunity. You can't be sure that Tony will end up making fire. And is Ben really a guaranteed fire making winner? I can't remember how dominant he was in his first season. Tony seemed pretty competent. If Tony wins F4 immunity, then Sarah loses regardless. The last thing she needs is Tony to be able to say that he tied the immunity record in addition to everything else. But yeah, you're right that I'm overstating Ben's ability based on his fluke win over Devon. Everyone out there seemed scared to go against him in fire, but it's unclear if that's based off of reputation or if he really was that good at it. Underleveled posted... I mean, he's basically in the same boat as Fairplay 2.0 however you consider that. I'd say that Ian is a better comparison. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SavageInTheBox 05/16/20 8:42:18 AM #395: |
I've read that Ben was basically disrespected the entire game due to his reputation as a winner. He said early on he went to Jeremy to propose an alliance and while he was talking, Jeremy was rolling his eyes and making faces to production like "Can you believe this guy?" A lot of Survivor legends get pretty big egos so I find it pretty believable. 30+ days of that, plus working with Tony a lot of the way and getting none of the credit, probably gave Ben a pretty good idea he was getting dragged to FTC.
I don't condone quitting but it seems like he had a pretty good reason to give up and try to help his friend. --- TimJab ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Inviso 05/16/20 8:43:11 AM #396: |
SavageInTheBox posted...
I've read that Ben was basically disrespected the entire game due to his reputation as a winner. He said early on he went to Jeremy to propose an alliance and while he was talking, Jeremy was rolling his eyes and making faces to production like "Can you believe this guy?" A lot of Survivor legends get pretty big egos so I find it pretty believable. 30+ days of that, plus working with Tony a lot of the way and getting none of the credit, probably gave Ben a pretty good idea he was getting dragged to FTC. Makes sense to me, given that we saw the same attitude displayed towards Michele. That sucks. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Underleveled 05/16/20 9:57:17 AM #397: |
That story makes Jeremy's edit seem really fabricated, since the whole time the edit showed him being the one saying Ben won't even talk/listen to him. Would've been nice to have that context.
This whole season, specifically Ben and Michele's acknowledgment of their reputations as "controversial" winners, really made me take a step back and reevaluate how harshly I've judged many Survivors over the years, other than ones like Dan who did totally inexcusable things or Will who is reportedly just as nasty IRL as he was on the show. --- darkx ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SavageInTheBox 05/16/20 11:05:19 AM #398: |
Sometimes these things show up in the edit. I remember Rupert acting really high and mighty after being cast as a "hero" and feeling like he had moral superiority over the "villains."
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red sox 777 05/16/20 4:07:39 PM #399: |
Yeah, those Heroes were awful. So glad the Villains won.
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Mewtwo59 05/16/20 5:12:31 PM #400: |
Rupert always super played up whatever was the theme of the season. He was really into PI's pirate theme, and he sacrificed himself for his wife in BvW. That's just who Rupert is.
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Underleveled 05/18/20 9:26:53 AM #401: |
CBS actually released an official opening to WaW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIgOflMXQP0 To my knowledge, we're still stuck with the fan-made one of IoI. --- darkx ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Mana Sword 05/18/20 9:34:30 AM #402: |
I think some of those clips are from their previous seasons? I feel like the Yul swimming one is, but I dont have encyclopedic knowledge of openings.
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X_Dante_X 05/18/20 10:25:33 AM #403: |
what do we even pay you for
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Underleveled 05/19/20 8:12:21 AM #404: |
Four episodes through my TAR26 rewatch. Hmm, I'm wondering what happens with the winners. Because for some reason I had them last in my ranking, but couldn't remember anything about them other than that she looked kinda like a pudgy-faced Taylor Swift. And so far they're actually mildly likable.
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