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Maniac64
03/12/20 3:56:35 PM
#251:


And he basically doesnt care about anything comedy/unrealistic.

He openly scoffed when Excalibur was talking about Statlanders alien gimmick.

He also still cant pronounce some Japanese names and doesnt seem to like when Excalibur uses foreign names for moves if there is an english name.

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Steiner
03/12/20 3:56:39 PM
#252:


i understand that there have been a lot of people who were not good at commentary. However, as the announcer's job is to get over the talent and the product, and JR has been an active negative in both of those, being the one to point out all of the flaws in the show to the audience the first 2 months out of the gate, I don't believe there has ever been a worse job done behind the desk.

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Jakyl25
03/12/20 3:57:39 PM
#253:


Steiner posted...
i understand that there have been a lot of people who were not good at commentary. However, as the announcer's job is to get over the talent and the product, and JR has been an active negative in both of those, being the one to point out all of the flaws in the show to the audience the first 2 months out of the gate, I don't believe there has ever been a worse job done behind the desk.


Were you around for Heel Michael Cole
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Steiner
03/12/20 3:58:21 PM
#254:


like... who else have you got? because your booker t, adamle, other horrible wwe announcers are just... not in this league. vampiro? i could see but at least he's passionate usually, the dude is just dumb.

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Steiner
03/12/20 3:59:01 PM
#255:


Jakyl25 posted...
Were you around for Heel Michael Cole

it was an act! he was written that way! i can't even begin to compare these!

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Jakyl25
03/12/20 3:59:12 PM
#256:


Also my trump card in this argument is NJPW Jim Ross
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scarletspeed7
03/12/20 3:59:36 PM
#257:


This is why I like Schiavone so much right now. Especially in comparison to JR, Tony is just so damn positive about everything. He has a fan quality to him that makes me more invested because it's organic excitement and not processed dialogue, but still very positive about the overall product.

But I know a lot of people don't like, and I respect that.

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NBIceman
03/12/20 4:02:53 PM
#258:


Jakyl25 posted...
Also my trump card in this argument is NJPW Jim Ross
The counterpoint to that is I don't think NJPW Jim Ross had the casual fan reach that AEW does.

Big difference in the type of fan that's tuning in to NJPW on AXS vs the one that's tuning into AEW on TNT for the first time. Which one is going to take away a more lasting influence from JR telling them how bad the show is?

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Maniac64
03/12/20 4:03:33 PM
#259:


Let Tony take JRs spot and put Taz in if you insist on a 3 man booth. Or just have Taz sub in whenever Tony is doing interviews or whatever.

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WarThaNemesis2
03/12/20 4:03:41 PM
#260:


Even during the dirt worst of WCW, there were times when Tony was great because all he wants is something to watch and be able to enjoy, so you'd get a fun Goldberg squash and he'd be back to fantastic Tony.

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Jakyl25
03/12/20 4:05:07 PM
#261:


NBIceman posted...

Big difference in the type of fan that's tuning in to NJPW on AXS vs the one that's tuning into AEW on TNT for the first time. Which one is going to take away a more lasting influence from JR telling them how bad the show is?


Sure, but then that circles back around to Heel Michael Cole

Vince McMahon had his lead announcer for the better part of a year scripted to bury the show and all the faces and incessantly squeal about how the Miz is the greatest wrestler who ever lived

Yes its not his fault, but it STILL HAPPENED
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NBIceman
03/12/20 4:07:17 PM
#262:


I think it being Ross's fault and not Cole's is a not-unimportant point, though.

And I still don't think it's comparable anyway. WWE had been around forever by the time Cole went on that run. AEW needed to present themselves as desirable to new fans as quickly as possible.

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Maniac64
03/12/20 4:10:19 PM
#263:


On the flip side. Quackenbush deserves more credit for being a great announcer.

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PrivateBiscuit1
03/12/20 4:13:33 PM
#264:


So okay I haven't seen enough of JR burying shit to really involve myself in this conversation.

I did want to say I think Kris Statlander's alien gimmick is kind of dumb and I don't really get it. I like some of the cute stuff like the nose boop, but for the most part I don't really get it and it doesn't do a whole lot for me. I feel like I would be more into it if she had gone all out with the alien thing but she just sort of has awkward facepaint.

I dunno. I'm not really sold on her. And I can see why JR wouldn't be sold on her either, because no matter what Excalibur says, I'm still having a hard time buying into Statlander and her gimmick.

On the flipside, they had Abaddon on AEW Dark against against Hikaru Shida who is supposed to be an undead wrestler and the facepaint and her mannerisms all reflected that and it was a legitimately fun match too. And I have no idea who the fuck Abaddon is aside from this match.

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Hardcore_Adult
03/12/20 4:13:50 PM
#265:


NBIceman posted...
I think it being Ross's fault and not Cole's is a not-unimportant point, though.

And I still don't think it's comparable anyway. WWE had been around forever by the time Cole went on that run. AEW needed to present themselves as desirable to new fans as quickly as possible.

Well, they seem to be Wednesday Night Fever if only by so much.

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NBIceman
03/12/20 4:21:35 PM
#266:


Statlander's gimmick being stupid or not stupid is really beside the point. I like her a lot and even I think it's stupid, and Ross is free to think that too.

But it's not his job to be the live arbiter of what's stupid and isn't. It's his job to get acts over. He spent years making the Undertaker feel like an unstoppable force of nature and that gimmick was even dumber.

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PrivateBiscuit1
03/12/20 4:33:43 PM
#267:


I don't disagree that JR should be trying to get it over, but I can understand his difficulty doing so since I think the gimmick is just bad.

And I would argue it's much dumber than Undertaker's gimmick. With Undertaker they actually bothered to go all in on saying he's some demonic force controlled by an urn and whatnot and the presentation is all there. With Statlander they just give her a bit of face paint and tell us she's an alien. I think that if they want us to buy into this idea, they need to do more with it.

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HashtagSEP
03/12/20 4:38:14 PM
#268:


I remember this audio skit from a comedy site like twenty years ago where it starts with Schiavone just going apeshit hyping up this match, and it's like "This is the greatest match of all great matches, fans have been waiting their entire lives for this!" and then it starts and it's Disco Inferno vs. Prince Iaukea, and the entire clip is just Schiavone putting this match over as if it's the absolutely greatest moment of wrestling in history.

And I remember laughing at the time because it was making fun of how over the top he would get about stuff, but the more I think about it, especially now, I realize for as funny as it could be, it's a good quality to have. Just getting excited about everything can definitely transfer atleast some excitement to an audience.

Oh, and of course it ended with "Sorry fans, we're out of time!"

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TheRock1525
03/12/20 4:44:40 PM
#269:


Man I didn't realize Corey was so hated.

Remember when he was supposed to be the next Bobby the Brain during his NXT run?

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Hardcore_Adult
03/12/20 4:45:44 PM
#270:


I don't think Corey is *meant* to be *liked*.

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Jakyl25
03/12/20 4:46:37 PM
#271:


I remember a comedy song from the same time frame that I have NEVER been able to find again called My Schiavone set to the tune of My Sharona

The only lyric I remember is the line

give the cruiserweights some TIME, SCHIAVONE!
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Jakyl25
03/12/20 4:47:35 PM
#272:


TheRock1525 posted...
Man I didn't realize Corey was so hated.

Remember when he was supposed to be the next Bobby the Brain during his NXT run?


The main roster is announcer poison
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HashtagSEP
03/12/20 4:48:12 PM
#273:


Jakyl25 posted...
I remember a comedy song from the same time frame that I have NEVER been able to find again called My Schiavone set to the tune of My Sharona

The only lyric I remember is the line

give the cruiserweights some TIME, SCHIAVONE!

I actually think I remember that.

They probably came from the same site.

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TheRock1525
03/12/20 4:50:24 PM
#274:


Jakyl25 posted...
The main roster is announcer poison
But Mauro was better on Smackdown than NXT!

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Jakyl25
03/12/20 4:54:38 PM
#275:


TheRock1525 posted...

But Mauro was better on Smackdown than NXT!


Well he voluntarily left that role so that should say something
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TheRock1525
03/12/20 5:32:44 PM
#276:


That JBL is an asshole.

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Hardcore_Adult
03/12/20 5:37:15 PM
#277:


TheRock1525 posted...
That JBL is an asshole.

Never (!)

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scarletspeed7
03/12/20 5:41:41 PM
#278:


Somehow, Nigel has become equally as insufferable as Mauro on NXT commentary. At this point, I only want Beth Phoenix, and that's mainly for her immaculate taste in jackets.

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ffmasterjose
03/12/20 5:54:13 PM
#279:


Mauros jumped the shark for a while now. I used to think he was really good but his pop culture reference shtick has gotten played out for me. He'll sometimes talk over Beth and Nigel which irks me.

Everyone in any fed is still better than Jerry fucking Lawler whose been trash to me for about a decade. I wasnt happy when Vic and Dio got shuffled off Raw but they kept Lawler of course.


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Hardcore_Adult
03/12/20 5:55:25 PM
#280:


Mauro will most likely become 24/7 champ before the year is out if creative get fed up.

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scarletspeed7
03/12/20 6:01:41 PM
#281:


ffmasterjose posted...
Mauros jumped the shark for a while now. I used to think he was really good but his pop culture reference shtick has gotten played out for me. He'll sometimes talk over Beth and Nigel which irks me.

Everyone in any fed is still better than Jerry fucking Lawler whose been trash to me for about a decade. I wasnt happy when Vic and Dio got shuffled off Raw but they kept Lawler of course.
Mauro lost me the moment a crowd chanted "Holy shit" and he offered, on commentary, "HOLY BLEEP INDEED!" Part of my soul died in that moment. Then he went on to quote 90s rap deep cuts and tell me that Johnny Gargano's charisma was more infectious than the Coronavirus and he had an incurable drive to win.

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Hardcore_Adult
03/12/20 6:20:07 PM
#282:


Well...

https://xflnewshub.com/xfl-news/breaking-xfl-suspending-its-season/


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PrivateBiscuit1
03/12/20 7:03:55 PM
#283:


It's amazing how much better commentary is on AEW even without the JR issues just because they don't have a senile old man screaming in their ear.

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Hardcore_Adult
03/12/20 7:08:26 PM
#284:


I always thought JR would be good in a movie in a bit part as some Cuckoo-Bananas Fire-n-Brimstone Preacher lol.

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TheRock1525
03/12/20 9:20:23 PM
#285:


Hey I'm not saying Mauro is bad. He's still pretty good! But I think Vince actually did a good job restraining him on Smackdown and he was better for it.

I mean, JRs best run as an announcer was in WWF/E so sometimes it works in someone's favor.

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Tom Bombadil
03/12/20 11:06:54 PM
#286:


https://twitter.com/ShaneHelmsCom/status/1238278255804899334

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Lopen
03/12/20 11:56:36 PM
#287:


TheRock1525 posted...
I mean, JRs best run as an announcer was in WWF/E so sometimes it works in someone's favor.

I don't think Vince was screaming at announcers as much back then but maybe I'm wrong

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scarletspeed7
03/13/20 2:11:04 AM
#288:


Lopen posted...
I don't think Vince was screaming at announcers as much back then but maybe I'm wrong
At least not while he was in the ring!

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Hardcore_Adult
03/13/20 7:58:29 AM
#289:


Tom Bombadil posted...
https://twitter.com/ShaneHelmsCom/status/1238278255804899334

Heh.

Lopen posted...
I don't think Vince was screaming at announcers as much back then but maybe I'm wrong

That's what lead Foley to quit in 2008, wasn't it?

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ZeroSignal620
03/13/20 2:27:09 PM
#290:


Briefly mentioned awhile back about having a mass spreadsheet of combined days for all major World titles across companies over the past several decades. I've kept up with it over the past few years, just making updates every few months, and said spreadsheet features the following championships...

All WWE world titles (WWE, WHC, Universal)
Both WCW world titles (World and International)
NWA
AWA
Ring of Honor (debatable, but I'll keep it on for now)
Impact
GFW Global
IWGP Heavyweight (both current and IGF's belt)
AEW

Unofficial reigns not included

As of today, March 13th, here is the all-time top ten for combined days
1) Verne Gagne - 4677 days
2) Bruno Sammartino - 4040 days
3) Ric Flair - 3785 days
4) Lou Thesz - 3749 days
5) Hulk Hogan - 3362 days
6) Nick Bockwinkel - 2990 days
7) Bob Backlund - 2138 days
8) Brock Lesnar - 2057 days
9) Harley Race - 1799 days
10) Kazuchika Okada - 1790 days

Also note the world champions in wrestling history to achieve less than 10 days as world champion: Stan Stasiak, James Storm, Hiroshi Hase, Mighty Igor Vodic, Dick the Bruiser, Vince Russo, Vince Steele, Vince McMahon, Tommy Rich, Rhino, Pentagon Jr, Shane Douglas, Ray Gonzalez, Finn Balor, Andre the Giant

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scarletspeed7
03/13/20 2:33:09 PM
#291:


Pulling for Brock to take it to age 60.

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ZeroSignal620
03/13/20 2:43:37 PM
#292:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Pulling for Brock to take it to age 60.

With his schedule? Easily. Brock's securing that bag for years to come

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Jakyl25
03/13/20 2:45:20 PM
#293:


How did GFW get in there
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scarletspeed7
03/13/20 2:53:18 PM
#294:


Jakyl25 posted...
How did GFW get in there
GLOBAL

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PrivateBiscuit1
03/13/20 3:03:12 PM
#295:


So another AEW though because I don't know if I'm missing something.

I don't really like Joey Janela and I don't get what's supposed to be so great about him.

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Maniac64
03/13/20 3:42:39 PM
#296:


Poor Andre

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TheRock1525
03/13/20 5:25:42 PM
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TheRock1525
03/13/20 5:26:06 PM
#298:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
So another AEW though because I don't know if I'm missing something.

I don't really like Joey Janela and I don't get what's supposed to be so great about him.
Is it just me or does Biscuit come in here just to complain?

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Maniac64
03/13/20 5:30:09 PM
#299:


That's hilarious

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FFDragon
03/13/20 5:36:37 PM
#300:


I've never really been huge on Adam Page, but this is good.

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