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garan
02/12/20 5:22:00 PM
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The-19th-Sparta posted...
Are you suggesting they get sex changes and pump themselves full of testosterone and/or steroids?


It isn't just hormones like testosterone that make men & women different. Men have more powerful circulatory systems, larger hearts, and more powerful lungs too. That isn't something that changes with surgery.
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The-19th-Sparta
02/12/20 5:27:22 PM
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garan posted...
It isn't just hormones like testosterone that make men & women different. Men have more powerful circulatory systems, larger hearts, and more powerful lungs too. That isn't something that changes with surgery.

Trust me, I know. I was delivering a half ass response to someone who was saying that naturally born women should just improve to beat trans women.

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02/12/20 5:33:35 PM
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AFrench2
02/12/20 5:34:53 PM
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lil_GoodOlJr_69 posted...
I agree with this lawsuit
I do too, actually.


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Perfectinsanity
02/12/20 5:37:18 PM
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Good, hope they win and set a precedent for not allowing this horseshit.

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glitteringfairy
02/12/20 5:37:34 PM
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FursonaNonGrata posted...
Another thread that will prove that the mods dont give a fuck about blatant transphobia
Daring to even ask questions is transphobia

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Unsugarized_Foo
02/12/20 5:37:36 PM
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AFrench2
02/12/20 5:38:36 PM
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Logical posters on this board: "It totally ruins the competition and the spirit of athletics for any and all girls other than the 1 or 2 transgenders who are brim-filled with Testosterone. I totally get this lawsuit"

CE: "TRANSPHOBIC! ALL OF YOU!"

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viewmaster_pi
02/12/20 5:43:12 PM
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AFrench2 posted...
Logical posters on this board: "It totally ruins the competition and the spirit of athletics for any and all girls other than the 1 or 2 transgenders who are brim-filled with Testosterone. I totally get this lawsuit"

CE: "TRANSPHOBIC! ALL OF YOU!"
tbh it's only a select handful of users who froth at the mouth once trans issues come up and anyone disagrees with them, they're just very vocal and bombastic

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AFrench2
02/12/20 5:46:12 PM
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Seriously, some of the posts in here mocking us normal people are just pathetic.

Sounds more like you want to give participation trophies to the women who came in last.

Uh, no, it sounds like he wants girls to have a chance to win in their own sports against transgenders MTF.

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CyricZ
02/12/20 5:49:09 PM
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AFrench2 posted...
us normal people
Speaking of pathetic.

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AFrench2
02/12/20 5:51:04 PM
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You are pathetic for telling normal posters in here that they're wrong. Just because they want 16 year old girls and 20 year old girls to have a chance in their own sports

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CyricZ
02/12/20 5:52:55 PM
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AFrench2 posted...
normal
Hey say it again.

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karlpilkington4
02/12/20 5:54:18 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
tbh it's only a select handful of users who froth at the mouth once trans issues come up and anyone disagrees with them, they're just very vocal and bombastic

And we know EXACTLY which ones they are

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voldothegr8
02/12/20 6:14:36 PM
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CyricZ posted...

Hey say it again.

Poor choice of words I agree. I think what he's looking for is rational. Rational people.
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AFrench2
02/12/20 6:44:46 PM
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Enlightened people? Is that better?

I dunno, it's such a basic thing to want equal rights for the sexes...what you're advocating for is weird but on top of it your rhetoric is so inflammatory. As if you're holier just because you want girls with way more testosterone and muscle competing against schoolgirls. MTF transexuals have a Mean % of more than 30 percent more muscle building hormones than girls.

You're not better than me or anything.

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karlpilkington4
02/12/20 6:47:33 PM
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AFrench2 posted...
Enlightened people? Is that better?

I dunno, it's such a basic thing to want equal rights for the sexes...what you're advocating for is weird but on top of it your rhetoric is so inflammatory. As if you're holier just because you want girls with way more testosterone and muscle competing against schoolgirls. MTF transexuals have a Mean % of more than 30 percent more muscle building hormones than girls.

You're not better than me or anything.

It's not worth arguing with him. TRUST ME

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Boombam99
02/12/20 7:00:29 PM
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Wasnt there that transgender girl recently who was an amateur wrestler who was just destroying and embarrassing biologically born girls? I remember the parents were rightfully furious with that.
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Unsugarized_Foo
02/12/20 7:06:56 PM
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Boombam99 posted...
Wasnt there that transgender girl recently who was an amateur wrestler who was just destroying and embarrassing biologically born girls? I remember the parents were rightfully furious with that.

I think it was in Texas and it wasnt really her fault she was wrestling girls. She wanted to wrestle boys and just dominated the group to make a point

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voldothegr8
02/12/20 7:13:03 PM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...


I think it was in Texas and it wasnt really her fault she was wrestling girls. She wanted to wrestle boys and just dominated the group to make a point

Then there's Fallon Fox

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallon_Fox

During Fox's fight against Tamikka Brents, Brents suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head in the 1st round. After her loss, Brents took to social media to convey her thoughts on the experience of fighting Fox: "I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can't answer whether it's because she was born a man or not because I'm not a doctor. I can only say, I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right," she stated. "Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn't move at all in Fox's clinch..."[

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CyricZ
02/12/20 7:13:29 PM
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AFrench2 posted...
You're not better than me or anything.
Weird flex.

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inloveanddeath0
02/12/20 7:14:37 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Weird flex.
Can you not come up with a better response?

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CyricZ
02/12/20 7:15:33 PM
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inloveanddeath0 posted...
Can you not come up with a better response?
Am I supposed to? I've already responded to the topic.

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TommyG663513
02/12/20 7:43:32 PM
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Honestly, the only people who don't have a problem with trans women competing against cis women are people who don't follow sports whatsoever. This is such an obvious thing to anyone with a very modest understanding of athletics.

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CADE FOSTER
02/12/20 7:57:41 PM
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such hateful people on this site
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Blue_Dream87
02/12/20 8:10:00 PM
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Slightly off topic, but I wonder what y'all's opinion is on this

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/sports/caster-semenya-loses.html

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STEROLIZER
02/12/20 8:18:27 PM
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gunplagirl
02/12/20 8:20:37 PM
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Cis people with zero understanding of transgender people or their transition being bigots? Yeah. Regular day on CE. The lawsuit is from the ADF, a known hate group that is helping fight marriage equality still. And the girls in the lawsuit wouldn't have made the podium even without the trans girl.

The Texas wrestling thing was a trans boy forced to wrestle girls, it was because of the outcome of a policy like this lawsuit seeks, making a trans boy go against people based on his assigned birth gender. Unlike this where a trans girl won a race, not even districts or state, that was a trans boy sweeping every match up through state.

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AFrench2
02/12/20 8:23:50 PM
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Yo dude, nobody is in here saying Oh wow I want to apply to that law firm, they sound swell.

Stfu about the ADF.

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Lorenzo_2003
02/12/20 8:38:13 PM
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Sayoria posted...
Yep. All you need to see here to know what this is based on.

Nah, not sure that means much. In todays socio-political climate, I do not believe it would be easy to find a non-Conservative group that is willing to champion for cis-women over trans interests.

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gunplagirl
02/12/20 8:39:49 PM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Nah, not sure that means much. In todays socio-political climate, I do not believe it would be easy to find a non-Conservative group that is willing to champion for cis-women over trans interests.

I mean you're not wrong... Because it's conservative lawmakers who are actually proposing policies to discriminate or make discrimination more widespread and protected.

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SomeGuyUO
02/12/20 8:46:38 PM
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Lorenzo_2003
02/12/20 8:47:48 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
I mean you're not wrong... Because it's conservative lawmakers who are actually proposing policies to discriminate or make discrimination more widespread and protected.

Yes, you are right. My bigger point is that even if there was a liberal bloc that agreed with these female high school runners, they are not going to publicly say that, let alone start their own lawsuit or directly support this one. You cant buck intersectionality and all of a sudden start sharing your uncensored feelings without receiving major backlash.

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ColdOne666
02/12/20 9:33:51 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
I mean you're not wrong... Because it's conservative lawmakers who are actually proposing policies to discriminate or make discrimination more widespread and protected.

Not letting biological men compete in biological female sports isnt discrimination. Its common sense. Anyone with half a clue knows that.
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TommyG663513
02/12/20 9:40:10 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Cis people with zero understanding of transgender people or their transition being bigots? Yeah. Regular day on CE. The lawsuit is from the ADF, a known hate group that is helping fight marriage equality still. And the girls in the lawsuit wouldn't have made the podium even without the trans girl.

The Texas wrestling thing was a trans boy forced to wrestle girls, it was because of the outcome of a policy like this lawsuit seeks, making a trans boy go against people based on his assigned birth gender. Unlike this where a trans girl won a race, not even districts or state, that was a trans boy sweeping every match up through state.

This is a bad post that deserves to be pointed out.

The girls in the lawsuit failing to make the podium with or without the trans athletes in competition is irrelevant.

Also, by trans boy are you referring to a FtM? Because I doubt a female born person who transitioned to male swept every match through state. I assume you meant to refer to a MtF trans person.

I'm going to maintain my point that I've never seen a person with any real long standing interest or understanding of athletics argue that MtF should be considered part of a level playing field among cis females.

The reality is that men are bigger, stronger, and faster. Women just can't compete with men physically. We have separated gender divisions in athletics for a very good reason.


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gunplagirl
02/12/20 9:43:11 PM
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TommyG663513 posted...
This is a bad post that deserves to be pointed out.

The girls in the lawsuit failing to make the podium with or without the trans athletes in competition is irrelevant.

Also, by trans boy are you referring to a FtM? Because I doubt a female born person who transitioned to male swept every match through state. I assume you meant to refer to a MtF trans person.

I'm going to maintain my point that I've never seen a person with any real long standing interest or understanding of athletics argue that MtF should be considered part of a level playing field among cis females.

The reality is that men are bigger, stronger, and faster. Women just can't compete with men physically. We have separated gender divisions in athletics for a very good reason.

Mack Beggs, FtM. Go ahead and name all the MtF women who have won a high school state title though. I'm waiting for more unadulterated bullshit based on assumptions by you

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karlpilkington4
02/12/20 9:45:07 PM
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Dont argue with her, its not worth it

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Frolex
02/12/20 9:49:09 PM
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Fat percentage, fat distribution, muscle density, muscle mass, bone density and hemoglobin content in transwomen after treatment with HRT are all in line with the typical levels for those seen in cisgender women

https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0041/ea0041EP397
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27572683
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28945851
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cen.13607
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0004563215587763
https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00896-6/abstract

Age graded race performance statistics among transwomen are equal to those of cis gender women
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1e6a/bd2c1e03ba88e9ac8da94ea1d69ff3f4878a.pdf?_ga=2.254440527.659551599.1550520323-1192624875.1550520323

A meta-analyisis of research into transwomen's performance across a comprehensive range of sports found "Currently, there is no direct or consistent research suggesting transgender female individuals (or male individuals) have an athletic advantage at any stage of their transition (e.g. cross-sex hormones, gender-confirming surgery) and, therefore, competitive sport policies that place restrictions on transgender people need to be considered and potentially revised."
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-016-0621-y

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viewmaster_pi
02/12/20 9:51:51 PM
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i see the certain biased, emotionally compromised mods finally showed up

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TommyG663513
02/12/20 10:02:47 PM
#92:


gunplagirl posted...
Mack Beggs, FtM. Go ahead and name all the MtF women who have won a high school state title though. I'm waiting for more unadulterated bullshit based on assumptions by you

So he was on PEDs?

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TommyG663513
02/12/20 10:05:38 PM
#93:


gunplagirl posted...
Mack Beggs, FtM. Go ahead and name all the MtF women who have won a high school state title though. I'm waiting for more unadulterated bullshit based on assumptions by you

Wrestling also discriminates based on weight so yeah....

Can you be less aggressive and even slightly likable or are you gonna keep calling people bigot?

I'm just going to assume you don't understand sports and continue to talk down to you.

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Summer_Ashigara
02/12/20 10:07:31 PM
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Frolex posted...
Fat percentage, fat distribution, muscle density, muscle mass, bone density and hemoglobin content in transwomen after treatment with HRT are all in line with the typical levels for those seen in cisgender women

https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0041/ea0041EP397
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27572683
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28945851
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cen.13607
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0004563215587763
https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00896-6/abstract

Age graded race performance statistics among transwomen are equal to those of cis gender women
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1e6a/bd2c1e03ba88e9ac8da94ea1d69ff3f4878a.pdf?_ga=2.254440527.659551599.1550520323-1192624875.1550520323

A meta-analyisis of research into transwomen's performance across a comprehensive range of sports found "Currently, there is no direct or consistent research suggesting transgender female individuals (or male individuals) have an athletic advantage at any stage of their transition (e.g. cross-sex hormones, gender-confirming surgery) and, therefore, competitive sport policies that place restrictions on transgender people need to be considered and potentially revised."
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-016-0621-y
This post doesn't fit the broscience narrative itt, so I will disregard it. Unsubscribed.

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gunplagirl
02/12/20 10:11:00 PM
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TommyG663513 posted...
So he was on PEDs?
He was on testosterone as part of his transition

TommyG663513 posted...
Wrestling also discriminates based on weight so yeah....

Can you be less aggressive and even slightly likable or are you gonna keep calling people bigot?

I'm just going to assume you don't understand sports and continue to talk down to you.

I like that you skipped a post with science about how there's no proof of trans women having advantages. Can you make an actual point or are you just going to sit there and say "common sense" all day without actual evidence or examples?

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02/12/20 10:12:59 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Imagine supporting born males fracturing born womens skulls.


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TommyG663513
02/12/20 10:13:13 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
He was on testosterone as part of his transition

I like that you skipped a post with science about how there's no proof of trans women having advantages. Can you make an actual point or are you just going to sit there and say "common sense" all day without actual evidence or examples?

Go watch the WNBA and then the NBA and then the WNBA again

Also, wrestling discriminates based on weight. The FtM was fighting similarly built males.

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jumi
02/12/20 10:19:02 PM
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The FtM wrestler was not wrestling males, he was wrestling females, because he was born female. Because of groups like the one in this lawsuit getting their pet transphobic laws passed.

He wanted to wrestle boys, the girls wanted him to wrestle boys, the boys wanted him to wrestle boys, but he was stuck wrestling girls because of the stupid law.

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TommyG663513
02/12/20 10:23:15 PM
#99:


jumi posted...
The FtM wrestler was not wrestling males, he was wrestling females, because he was born female. Because of groups like the one in this lawsuit getting their pet transphobic laws passed.

He wanted to wrestle boys, the girls wanted him to wrestle boys, the boys wanted him to wrestle boys, but he was stuck wrestling girls because of the stupid law.

Oh I remember hearing about that case. Then LOL that it was used as an example.

But yeah men and women are vastly different in terms of athletic ability. This is super obvious to anyone with any understanding of athletics.

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gatorsPENSbucs
02/12/20 10:30:51 PM
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TommyG663513 posted...
This is super obvious to anyone with any understanding of athletics.
And I think the issue here is that people on this board have no idea what sports are. They type a couple things into google and think theyre experts.

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