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MisterPorn 02/12/20 11:14:14 AM #1:	https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/impeachment-gave-trump-exactly-what-he-wanted/606172/ The impeachment struggle is now over. Historians may one day vindicate Democrats for exposing Donald Trumps abuse of power. But as of now, they have lost. Not only will Trump remain president, and not only does he appear stronger politically than before the impeachment battle began, but he has succeeded in doing precisely what he wanted in the first place: He tarred Joe Biden, who last year looked like Trumps most formidable Democratic rival, with the kind of vague suspicion of wrongdoing that presidential candidates cant easily shake. Ironically, the impeachment effort and the Republican counterattack against it have largely accomplished Trumps goal. By keeping Hunter Bidens business dealings in Ukraine in the news, they have turned them into a rough analogue to Hillary Clintons missing emails in 2016a pseudo-scandal that undermines a leading Democratic candidates reputation for honesty. --- I am un chien andalusia. <cite>MisterPorn posted [p:934273165] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/impeachment-gave-trump-exactly-what-he-wanted/606172/ The impeachment struggle is now over. Historians may one day vindicate Democrats for exposing Donald Trumps abuse of power. But as of now, they have lost. Not only will Trump remain president, and not only does he appear stronger politically than before the impeachment battle began, but he has succeeded in doing precisely what he wanted in the first place: He tarred Joe Biden, who last year looked like Trumps most formidable Democratic rival, with the kind of vague suspicion of wrongdoing that presidential candidates cant easily shake. Ironically, the impeachment effort and the Republican counterattack against it have largely accomplished Trumps goal. By keeping Hunter Bidens business dealings in Ukraine in the news, they have turned them into a rough analogue to Hillary Clintons missing emails in 2016a pseudo-scandal that undermines a leading Democratic candidates reputation for honesty. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 02/12/20 11:17:29 AM #2:	Joe Biden admits to quid pro quo with ukraine ON CAMERA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY&list=LLkhEKQbfC99erYyK4evhOGg&index=5&t=16s --- Trump 2020 <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:934273285] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Joe Biden admits to quid pro quo with ukraine ON CAMERA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY&list=LLkhEKQbfC99erYyK4evhOGg&index=5&t=16s </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 02/12/20 11:17:56 AM #3:	Get this shit outta here --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:934273307] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Get this shit outta here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 02/12/20 11:19:06 AM #4:	karlpilkington4 posted... Joe Biden admits to quid pro quo with ukraine ON CAMERA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY&list=LLkhEKQbfC99erYyK4evhOGg&index=5&t=16s Quid pro quo is perfectly fine when its done through official channels. Not the presidents personal lawyer --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:934273347] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>karlpilkington4 posted... </cite> <quote>Joe Biden admits to quid pro quo with ukraine ON CAMERA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY&list=LLkhEKQbfC99erYyK4evhOGg&index=5&t=16s</quote> Quid pro quo is perfectly fine when its done through official channels. Not the presidents personal lawyer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 02/12/20 11:19:14 AM #5:	Biden isn't collapsing because of Ukraine. He's collapsing because he's literally always been a terrible campaigner. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:934273351] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Biden isn't collapsing because of Ukraine. He's collapsing because he's literally always been a terrible campaigner. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/12/20 11:20:12 AM #6:	Eh. Biden was polling just fine well into January. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934273383] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Eh. Biden was polling just fine well into January.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 02/12/20 11:21:10 AM #7:	thronedfire2 posted... Quid pro quo is perfectly fine when its done through official channels the issue isn't the channel, but whether the candidate was personally benefiting karl regularly suggests biden personally benefited from the pressure to remove Shokin, which is a lie --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:934273414] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite> <quote>Quid pro quo is perfectly fine when its done through official channels</quote> the issue isn't the channel, but whether the candidate was personally benefiting karl regularly suggests biden personally benefited from the pressure to remove Shokin, which is a lie </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 02/12/20 11:21:23 AM #8:	thronedfire2 posted... Quid pro quo is perfectly fine when its done through official channels. Not the presidents personal lawyer Quote the law where that is found --- Trump 2020 <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:934273426] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite> <quote>Quid pro quo is perfectly fine when its done through official channels. Not the presidents personal lawyer</quote> Quote the law where that is found </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kolibri X 02/12/20 11:21:26 AM #9:	You lying dog faced pony soldier Poor kids are just as bright as white kids and so on. --- Platinum GameFAQs Member <cite>Kolibri X posted [p:934273428] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>You lying dog faced pony soldier Poor kids are just as bright as white kids and so on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 02/12/20 11:22:24 AM #10:	Antifar posted... Eh. Biden was polling just fine well into January. Maybe polls aren't reliable? --- The personal is the political is a totalitarian progressive decree that I reject entirely. <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:934273472] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Eh. Biden was polling just fine well into January.</quote> Maybe polls aren't reliable? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 02/12/20 11:22:49 AM #11:	Sackgurl posted... the issue isn't the channel, but whether the candidate was personally benefiting karl regularly suggests biden personally benefited from the pressure to remove Shokin, which is a lie His Son literally benefited from that removal. Investigating Biden for corruption is of the interest of the UNITED STATES, not just Trump. You always ignore that part. --- Trump 2020 <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:934273484] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>the issue isn't the channel, but whether the candidate was personally benefiting karl regularly suggests biden personally benefited from the pressure to remove Shokin, which is a lie</quote> His Son literally benefited from that removal. Investigating Biden for corruption is of the interest of the UNITED STATES, not just Trump. You always ignore that part. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 02/12/20 11:23:50 AM #12:	Sackgurl posted... the issue isn't the channel, but whether the candidate was personally benefiting karl regularly suggests biden personally benefited from the pressure to remove Shokin, which is a lie Karl lying isn't a new thing. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:934273518] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>the issue isn't the channel, but whether the candidate was personally benefiting karl regularly suggests biden personally benefited from the pressure to remove Shokin, which is a lie</quote> Karl lying isn't a new thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 02/12/20 11:23:50 AM #13:	karlpilkington4 posted... His Son literally benefited from that removal that is a lie i pay as much attention to when you claim this as i possibly can because it's a lie --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:934273520] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>karlpilkington4 posted... </cite> <quote>His Son literally benefited from that removal</quote> that is a lie i pay as much attention to when you claim this as i possibly can because it's a lie </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VilliscaMurders 02/12/20 11:26:50 AM #14:	karlpilkington4 posted... Joe Biden admits to quid pro quo with ukraine ON CAMERA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY&list=LLkhEKQbfC99erYyK4evhOGg&index=5&t=16s <cite>VilliscaMurders posted [p:934273631] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>karlpilkington4 posted... </cite> <quote>Joe Biden admits to quid pro quo with ukraine ON CAMERA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY&list=LLkhEKQbfC99erYyK4evhOGg&index=5&t=16s</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 02/12/20 11:26:53 AM #15:	I don't think he intentionally lies, or anything. He just regurgitates the nonsense from fake news sites. --- "A guy talking into the camera about politics? My favorite." - Phantom_Nook Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:934273633] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>I don't think he intentionally lies, or anything. He just regurgitates the nonsense from fake news sites. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 02/12/20 11:27:39 AM #16:	Evening_Dragon posted... I don't think he intentionally lies, or anything. He just regurgitates the nonsense from fake news sites. he's very intentionally lying now. we all know by now that shokin was fired for not investigating burisma (and other companies), and that the investigation didn't even cover the period that included hunter's employment. it's come up repeatedly, and he returns to the same talking point as though the prior discussions never took place. what he's doing is basically this https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/ --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:934273664] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Evening_Dragon posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think he intentionally lies, or anything. He just regurgitates the nonsense from fake news sites.</quote> he's very intentionally lying now. we all know by now that shokin was fired for not investigating burisma (and other companies), and that the investigation didn't even cover the period that included hunter's employment. it's come up repeatedly, and he returns to the same talking point as though the prior discussions never took place. what he's doing is basically this https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheater87 02/12/20 11:28:20 AM #17:	Biden is doing horribly in polls. --- Doom, the game with unlimited ways to play. <cite>Cheater87 posted [p:934273685] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Biden is doing horribly in polls. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinxray 02/12/20 11:29:22 AM #18:	karlpilkington4 posted... Joe Biden admits to quid pro quo with ukraine ON CAMERA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY&list=LLkhEKQbfC99erYyK4evhOGg&index=5&t=16s "Theres no proof!!" lol --- Served 10 years in the army. Now living good. <cite>Hinxray posted [p:934273729] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>karlpilkington4 posted... </cite> <quote>Joe Biden admits to quid pro quo with ukraine ON CAMERA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY&list=LLkhEKQbfC99erYyK4evhOGg&index=5&t=16s</quote> "Theres no proof!!" lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sylverlolol 02/12/20 11:29:58 AM #19:	Biden as Trump's strongest competitor...LOL. Whatever the conservaturds of America have to tell themselves to sleep better at night...double LOLOL --- This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. <cite>sylverlolol posted [p:934273746] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Biden as Trump's strongest competitor...LOL. Whatever the conservaturds of America have to tell themselves to sleep better at night...double LOLOL </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BLAKUboy 02/12/20 11:32:01 AM #22:	Also, Trump didn't want to damage Biden's primary campaign, he wanted dirt to use against Biden in the general because he's an idiot and thought Biden would sail to the nomination. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:934273808] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Also, Trump didn't want to damage Biden's primary campaign, he wanted dirt to use against Biden in the general because he's an idiot and thought Biden would sail to the nomination. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 02/12/20 11:34:02 AM #23:	Sackgurl posted... that is a lie i pay as much attention to when you claim this as i possibly can because it's a lie No, its not a lie at all. Its hilarious that you'd try and ignore literal facts But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didnt mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Bidens younger son, Hunter, as a board member... Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made specific plans for the investigation that included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden. https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived --- Trump 2020 <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:934273873] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>that is a lie i pay as much attention to when you claim this as i possibly can because it's a lie</quote> No, its not a lie at all. Its hilarious that you'd try and ignore literal facts <quote> But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didnt mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Bidens younger son, Hunter, as a board member...</quote> <quote>Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made specific plans for the investigation that included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.</quote> https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 02/12/20 11:36:32 AM #24:	Why did you share an opinion piece by this guy as a definitive source? https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d9b9880e4b099389804c81b Other than the fact that you're full of shit, I mean. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:934273968] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Why did you share an opinion piece by this guy as a definitive source? https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d9b9880e4b099389804c81b Other than the fact that you're full of shit, I mean. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 02/12/20 11:39:48 AM #25:	Intro2Logic posted... Why did you share an opinion piece by this guy as a definitive source? https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d9b9880e4b099389804c81b Other than the fact that you're full of shit, I mean. Sources and quotes from those sources, are opinions now? LOL --- Trump 2020 <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:934274084] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted... </cite> <quote>Why did you share an opinion piece by this guy as a definitive source? https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d9b9880e4b099389804c81b Other than the fact that you're full of shit, I mean.</quote> Sources and quotes from those sources, are opinions now? LOL </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sackgurl 02/12/20 11:46:59 AM #27:	oh, look: an opinion piece that relies on statements from Shokin to make verifiably false claims about the nature of the Burisma investigation. fits right in to the 'fill the airwaves with lies' approach. The prosecutor-general of Ukraine at the time, Lutsenko, says Shokin was lying. From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything, former Ukrainian prosecutor general Yuri Lutsenko told The Washington Post in his first interview since the disclosure of a whistleblower complaint alleging pressure by President Trump on Ukraines president, Volodymr Zelensky. As vice president, Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire Lutsenkos predecessor, Viktor Shokin, who Biden and other Western officials said was not sufficiently pursuing corruption cases. At the time, the investigation into Burisma was dormant, according to former Ukrainian and U.S. officials. Hunter Biden cannot be responsible for violations of the management of Burisma that took place two years before his arrival, Lutsenko said. The 'violations of management' were the subject of the investigation. Shokin made zero arrests and any claims he makes about a 'wide ranging corruption investigation' are simply lies. https://tinyurl.com/yyn6wxep --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:934274345] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>oh, look: an opinion piece that relies on statements from Shokin to make verifiably false claims about the nature of the Burisma investigation. fits right in to the 'fill the airwaves with lies' approach. The prosecutor-general of Ukraine at the time, Lutsenko, says Shokin was lying. <quote>From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything, former Ukrainian prosecutor general Yuri Lutsenko told The Washington Post in his first interview since the disclosure of a whistleblower complaint alleging pressure by President Trump on Ukraines president, Volodymr Zelensky. As vice president, Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire Lutsenkos predecessor, Viktor Shokin, who Biden and other Western officials said was not sufficiently pursuing corruption cases. At the time, the investigation into Burisma was dormant, according to former Ukrainian and U.S. officials. Hunter Biden cannot be responsible for violations of the management of Burisma that took place two years before his arrival, Lutsenko said.</quote> The 'violations of management' were the subject of the investigation. Shokin made zero arrests and any claims he makes about a 'wide ranging corruption investigation' are simply lies. https://tinyurl.com/yyn6wxep </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/12/20 11:47:10 AM #28:	The assumption here is that Biden couldn't manage to crash and burn all on his own. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:934274349] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>The assumption here is that Biden couldn't manage to crash and burn all on his own. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sackgurl 02/12/20 11:55:35 AM #30:	Here are comments from the current prosecutor-general of Ukraine, also indicating that Shokin is lying. Asked whether he had any evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden, Ryaboshapka told Reuters: I have no such information. https://tinyurl.com/tu37rug --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:934274645] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Here are comments from the current prosecutor-general of Ukraine, also indicating that Shokin is lying. <quote>Asked whether he had any evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden, Ryaboshapka told Reuters: I have no such information.</quote> https://tinyurl.com/tu37rug </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 02/12/20 11:55:37 AM #31:	Sackgurl posted... Shokin made zero arrests and any claims he makes about a 'wide ranging corruption investigation' are simply lies. Its always amusing how you just say everyone else is lying, to make your argument sound good. It's not fooling anyone though. Lutsenko was the one who replaced the guy Biden had fired. The one doing the investigation (Shokin) is the one who's statements ACTUALLY matter. --- Trump 2020 <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:934274651] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>Shokin made zero arrests and any claims he makes about a 'wide ranging corruption investigation' are simply lies.</quote> Its always amusing how you just say everyone else is lying, to make your argument sound good. It's not fooling anyone though. Lutsenko was the one who replaced the guy Biden had fired. The one doing the investigation (Shokin) is the one who's statements ACTUALLY matter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 02/12/20 11:56:35 AM #32:	Sackgurl posted... Here are comments from the current prosecutor-general of Ukraine, also indicating that Shokin is lying. https://tinyurl.com/tu37rug Thats a weird way of saying someone is lying (i.e not at all) --- Trump 2020 <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:934274687] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>Here are comments from the current prosecutor-general of Ukraine, also indicating that Shokin is lying. https://tinyurl.com/tu37rug</quote> Thats a weird way of saying someone is lying (i.e not at all) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/12/20 11:56:45 AM #33:	But every candidate is beating Trump head to head --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:934274698] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>But every candidate is beating Trump head to head </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 02/12/20 11:58:10 AM #34:	karlpilkington4 posted... Its always assuming how you just say everyone else is lying, to make your argument sound good. It's not fooling anyone though. Lutsenko was the one who replaced the guy Biden had fired. The one doing the investigation (Shokin) is the one who's statements ACTUALLY matter. Not everyone else: just you. Shokin was replaced by Yuriy Sevruk, who was later replaced by Lutsenko. Lutsenko inherited all investigation materials left behind by Shokin and Sevruk. He and Ryaboshapka have both gone on the record and stated explicitly that the investigations did not cover a period of time in which Hunter was employed. This makes Shokin a liar. They made these statements with the full weight of their office behind them; Shokin lied from his bedroom to republican pundits. --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:934274750] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>karlpilkington4 posted... </cite> <quote>Its always assuming how you just say everyone else is lying, to make your argument sound good. It's not fooling anyone though. Lutsenko was the one who replaced the guy Biden had fired. The one doing the investigation (Shokin) is the one who's statements ACTUALLY matter.</quote> Not everyone else: just you. Shokin was replaced by Yuriy Sevruk, who was later replaced by Lutsenko. Lutsenko inherited all investigation materials left behind by Shokin and Sevruk. He and Ryaboshapka have both gone on the record and stated explicitly that the investigations did not cover a period of time in which Hunter was employed. This makes Shokin a liar. They made these statements with the full weight of their office behind them; Shokin lied from his bedroom to republican pundits. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 02/12/20 11:59:34 AM #35:	Imagine getting an impeachment over a guy who wasn't going to make it to the election anyways. --- https://imgur.com/i9oVpG0 <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:934274822] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Imagine getting an impeachment over a guy who wasn't going to make it to the election anyways. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 02/12/20 12:02:43 PM #36:	Sackgurl posted... Not everyone else: just you. Shokin was replaced by Yuriy Sevruk, who was later replaced by Lutsenko. Lutsenko inherited all investigation materials left behind by Shokin and Sevruk. He and Ryaboshapka have both gone on the record and stated explicitly that the investigations did not cover a period of time in which Hunter was employed. This makes Shokin a liar. Shokin didnt lie about anything. He said he was investigating possible corruption, which he was and it's is verified. He never claimed to find corruption, only that he was going to interrogate the companies workers. You are literally making up things in every post now. In your last post, you lied and said that Lutsenko called Shokin a liar. He never said that. Now you're lying about this. --- Trump 2020 <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:934274965] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>Not everyone else: just you. Shokin was replaced by Yuriy Sevruk, who was later replaced by Lutsenko. Lutsenko inherited all investigation materials left behind by Shokin and Sevruk. He and Ryaboshapka have both gone on the record and stated explicitly that the investigations did not cover a period of time in which Hunter was employed. This makes Shokin a liar.</quote> Shokin didnt lie about anything. He said he was investigating possible corruption, which he was and it's is verified. He never claimed to find corruption, only that he was going to interrogate the companies workers. You are literally making up things in every post now. In your last post, you lied and said that Lutsenko called Shokin a liar. He never said that. Now you're lying about this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 02/12/20 12:10:01 PM #37:	Karl's source is an opinion piece --- #TravestyTrump #LockTrumpUp <cite>Machete posted [p:934275283] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Karl's source is an opinion piece</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 02/12/20 12:11:27 PM #38:	karlpilkington4 posted... Shokin didnt lie about anything. He said he was investigating possible corruption, which he was and it's is verified. He never claimed to find corruption, only that he was going to interrogate the companies workers. You are literally making up things in every post now. In your last post, you lied and said that Lutsenko called Shokin a liar. He never said that. Now you're lying about this. Everything Shokin said--just like everything you have said--was a complete lie, and documents provided by the assistant prosecutor general to Shokin at the time, Vitaly Kasko, backs that up. Legal documents provided to US news agencies show that he was not investigating corruption. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-07/timeline-in-ukraine-probe-casts-doubt-on-giuliani-s-biden-claim There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky, Kasko said in an interview last week. It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015. Kasko's statement indicates the exact opposite of Shokin. Unlike Shokin, he provided legal documents that proved his claims. Kasko has since been re-appointed. All other members of the office of the prosecutor general--former and current--have made clear that Hunter Biden was never a subject of the 15 investigations against Burisma. Their position is in direct opposition to Shokin, and Kasko has provided documents that prove it; ergo, evidence has been presented by Ukraine that Shokin was lying. The actual subject of the investigation was that the owner of the company, Zlochevsky, was also in the Ukranian government prior to 2014, and used his position in government to hand his company resource contracts, evade taxes, and launder money. All of the investigations that were on Shokin's desk--dormant--covered the time period before Hunter was hired. This is documented, this is proven, this has been confirmed by the former, current, and deputy prosecutor general of Ukraine. They all say the opposite of what Shokin says. Machete posted... Karl's source is an opinion piece Specifically, an opinion piece whose main source was Shokin, the guy who was fired after pressure from Biden. He's the least reliable source on the matter possible--nothing to lose, axe to grind, no evidence and no vetting of his statement's reliability (which is why his comments are in opinion pieces only). --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:934275340] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>karlpilkington4 posted... </cite> <quote>Shokin didnt lie about anything. He said he was investigating possible corruption, which he was and it's is verified. He never claimed to find corruption, only that he was going to interrogate the companies workers. You are literally making up things in every post now. In your last post, you lied and said that Lutsenko called Shokin a liar. He never said that. Now you're lying about this.</quote> Everything Shokin said--just like everything you have said--was a complete lie, and documents provided by the assistant prosecutor general to Shokin at the time, Vitaly Kasko, backs that up. Legal documents provided to US news agencies show that he was not investigating corruption. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-07/timeline-in-ukraine-probe-casts-doubt-on-giuliani-s-biden-claim <quote>There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky, Kasko said in an interview last week. It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.</quote> Kasko's statement indicates the exact opposite of Shokin. Unlike Shokin, he provided legal documents that proved his claims. Kasko has since been re-appointed. All other members of the office of the prosecutor general--former and current--have made clear that Hunter Biden was never a subject of the 15 investigations against Burisma. Their position is in direct opposition to Shokin, and Kasko has provided documents that prove it; ergo, evidence has been presented by Ukraine that Shokin was lying. The actual subject of the investigation was that the owner of the company, Zlochevsky, was also in the Ukranian government prior to 2014, and used his position in government to hand his company resource contracts, evade taxes, and launder money. All of the investigations that were on Shokin's desk--dormant--covered the time period before Hunter was hired. This is documented, this is proven, this has been confirmed by the former, current, and deputy prosecutor general of Ukraine. They all say the opposite of what Shokin says. Machete posted... </cite> <quote>Karl's source is an opinion piece</quote> Specifically, an opinion piece whose main source was Shokin, the guy who was fired after pressure from Biden. He's the least reliable source on the matter possible--nothing to lose, axe to grind, no evidence and no vetting of his statement's reliability (which is why his comments are in opinion pieces only). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DezDroppedFreak 02/12/20 12:17:57 PM #41:	Why do yall respond seriously to Karl --- I feel like Ratatouille when I'm whipping that cheddar <cite>DezDroppedFreak posted [p:934275590] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Why do yall respond seriously to Karl </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Evening_Dragon 02/12/20 12:23:40 PM #43:	shockthemonkey posted... No seriously, can someone make the shitty troll go away? He's not trolling. He really, honestly believes the things he says. --- "A guy talking into the camera about politics? My favorite." - Phantom_Nook Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:934275840] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>No seriously, can someone make the shitty troll go away?</quote> He's not trolling. He really, honestly believes the things he says. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sackgurl 02/12/20 12:25:16 PM #45:	Evening_Dragon posted... He's not trolling. He really, honestly believes the things he says. his repetition of the same debunked arguments verbatim with the exact same text makes me think otherwise even the text before he links that video is the same --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:934275900] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Evening_Dragon posted... </cite> <quote>He's not trolling. He really, honestly believes the things he says.</quote> his repetition of the same debunked arguments verbatim with the exact same text makes me think otherwise even the text before he links that video is the same </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 02/12/20 12:32:09 PM #46:	karlpilkington4 posted... Quote the law where that is found Did you even watch the impeachment hearings? The fact that quid pro quo is a normal thing was the only defense the republicans had --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:934276199] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>karlpilkington4 posted... </cite> <quote>Quote the law where that is found</quote> Did you even watch the impeachment hearings? The fact that quid pro quo is a normal thing was the only defense the republicans had </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 02/12/20 1:15:26 PM #47:	Sackgurl posted... Everything Shokin said--just like everything you have said--was a complete lie, and documents provided by the assistant prosecutor general to Shokin at the time, Vitaly Kasko, backs that up. Legal documents provided to US news agencies show that he was not investigating corruption. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-07/timeline-in-ukraine-probe-casts-doubt-on-giuliani-s-biden-claim Kasko's statement indicates the exact opposite of Shokin. Unlike Shokin, he provided legal documents that proved his claims. Kasko has since been re-appointed. All other members of the office of the prosecutor general--former and current--have made clear that Hunter Biden was never a subject of the 15 investigations against Burisma. Their position is in direct opposition to Shokin, and Kasko has provided documents that prove it; ergo, evidence has been presented by Ukraine that Shokin was lying. The actual subject of the investigation was that the owner of the company, Zlochevsky, was also in the Ukranian government prior to 2014, and used his position in government to hand his company resource contracts, evade taxes, and launder money. All of the investigations that were on Shokin's desk--dormant--covered the time period before Hunter was hired. This is documented, this is proven, this has been confirmed by the former, current, and deputy prosecutor general of Ukraine. They all say the opposite of what Shokin says. Specifically, an opinion piece whose main source was Shokin, the guy who was fired after pressure from Biden. He's the least reliable source on the matter possible--nothing to lose, axe to grind, no evidence and no vetting of his statement's reliability (which is why his comments are in opinion pieces only). You wrote all of that and didnt actually EXPLICITLY say what Shokin lied about. All you're doing is hiding your lack of argument in a wall of text that's not relevant to the ONE thing, I'm referring to. You can certainly prove me wrong. State the EXACT lies that Shokin made. ACTUAL QUOTES. --- Trump 2020 <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:934277993] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>Everything Shokin said--just like everything you have said--was a complete lie, and documents provided by the assistant prosecutor general to Shokin at the time, Vitaly Kasko, backs that up. Legal documents provided to US news agencies show that he was not investigating corruption. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-07/timeline-in-ukraine-probe-casts-doubt-on-giuliani-s-biden-claim Kasko's statement indicates the exact opposite of Shokin. Unlike Shokin, he provided legal documents that proved his claims. Kasko has since been re-appointed. All other members of the office of the prosecutor general--former and current--have made clear that Hunter Biden was never a subject of the 15 investigations against Burisma. Their position is in direct opposition to Shokin, and Kasko has provided documents that prove it; ergo, evidence has been presented by Ukraine that Shokin was lying. The actual subject of the investigation was that the owner of the company, Zlochevsky, was also in the Ukranian government prior to 2014, and used his position in government to hand his company resource contracts, evade taxes, and launder money. All of the investigations that were on Shokin's desk--dormant--covered the time period before Hunter was hired. This is documented, this is proven, this has been confirmed by the former, current, and deputy prosecutor general of Ukraine. They all say the opposite of what Shokin says. Specifically, an opinion piece whose main source was Shokin, the guy who was fired after pressure from Biden. He's the least reliable source on the matter possible--nothing to lose, axe to grind, no evidence and no vetting of his statement's reliability (which is why his comments are in opinion pieces only).</quote> You wrote all of that and didnt actually EXPLICITLY say what Shokin lied about. All you're doing is hiding your lack of argument in a wall of text that's not relevant to the ONE thing, I'm referring to. You can certainly prove me wrong. State the EXACT lies that Shokin made. ACTUAL QUOTES. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 02/12/20 1:17:10 PM #48:	Evening_Dragon posted... He's not trolling. He really, honestly believes the things he says. This guy blocks me after he routinely gets dismissed in intellectual discussion, and is still talking about me, like I'm the problem. LOL --- Trump 2020 <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:934278056] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Evening_Dragon posted... </cite> <quote>He's not trolling. He really, honestly believes the things he says.</quote> This guy blocks me after he routinely gets dismissed in intellectual discussion, and is still talking about me, like I'm the problem. LOL </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 02/12/20 1:24:24 PM #49:	karlpilkington4 posted... EXPLICITLY say what Shokin lied about specific plans for the investigation that included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden. documents from the deputy prosecutor general state no such plans were made the former and current prosecutor general have stated that no criminal investigation of hunter was ever called for, that he has committed no crimes in ukraine, that there is no evidence that he did so, and that all 15 of the (dormant under shokin) investigations were about actions taken by Zlochevsky that preceded hunter's tenure --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:934278349] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>karlpilkington4 posted... </cite> <quote>EXPLICITLY say what Shokin lied about</quote> <quote>specific plans for the investigation that included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.</quote> documents from the deputy prosecutor general state no such plans were made the former and current prosecutor general have stated that no criminal investigation of hunter was ever called for, that he has committed no crimes in ukraine, that there is no evidence that he did so, and that all 15 of the (dormant under shokin) investigations were about actions taken by Zlochevsky that preceded hunter's tenure </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 02/12/20 1:26:12 PM #50:	Machete posted... Karl's source is an opinion piece Its not, thats the funny part. You can instantly see who is even following the facts, based on comments like this. The only relevant part that I was quoting in that article is the fact that Shokin was investing Burisma while Hunter Biden was working there. He was then fired, with heavy influence from Joe Biden. None of that is an opinion, which is why its hilarious that Sackgurl thinks she is "owning" anyone, when that fact cant be dismissed. She thinks she can smokescreen people with a clear red herring. Not that you were entering this topic to have an honest discussion anyway. --- Trump 2020 <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:934278421] in Impeachmen... [t:78400000]...</cite> <quote>Machete posted... </cite> <quote>Karl's source is an opinion piece</quote> Its not, thats the funny part. You can instantly see who is even following the facts, based on comments like this. The only relevant part that I was quoting in that article is the fact that Shokin was investing Burisma while Hunter Biden was working there. He was then fired, with heavy influence from Joe Biden. None of that is an opinion, which is why its hilarious that Sackgurl thinks she is "owning" anyone, when that fact cant be dismissed. She thinks she can smokescreen people with a clear red herring. Not that you were entering this topic to have an honest discussion anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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