Current Events > Why does the ******* Electoral College still exist?

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Sackgurl posted...

what percent of the votes that matter should they be

People who live in cities depend on the people who dont. This is common sense. The entire system would break down

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solosnake posted...

People who live in cities depend on the people who dont. This is common sense. The entire system would break down

If the city would let us keep cows in the back yard, this wouldn't be as much an issue.

Theres so much butthurt and anger in this topic. Why be so mad about things you cant fix at this moment ?

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SSMajinVegeta2 posted...

Why be so mad about things you cant fix at this moment ?

But, it can.
Each state, right now, can allocate its electoral votes any way it wants. None do, apart from maybe Maine and Nebraska, because of some sort of "bastion" principle or something.

Questionmarktarius posted...

But, it can.
Each state, right now, can allocate its electoral votes any way it wants. None do, apart from maybe Maine and Nebraska, because of some sort of "bastion" principle or something.

also state legislatures can commit to the interstate popular vote compact

NV's governor vetoed it despite his own party wanting it. dumb dumb dumb.

solosnake posted...

People who live in cities depend on the people who dont. This is common sense. The entire system would break down

what percent of the votes that matter should people in cities be?

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Ving_Rhames posted...

Most shouldn't.

They all should, which is why we have the electoral college in the first place.

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The_OD posted...

The electoral college is important to our elections.

98 votes in just 3 states as far as electoral college goes.
https://www.270towin.com/maps/bRgO6.png

By county. Between California and NY, They have a combined population of almost 60 million people.
https://metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/election-map-by-county-3d-1.png

It would take, the top 9 most populated states: California, Texas, Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, Georgia, North Carolina, which some of them are known to be very liberal, to win where as if NC voted red, along with the other 42 other states (counting DC) would win. so if those states voted blue every single GD time, we would never have a red president. Thats why the electoral college is so important..

it gives the less dense states like : Delaware, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska, District of Columbia, Vermont, Wyoming more of a voice in the elections since all those states combined only has a population of 5.2 million people

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The_OD posted...

By county. Between California and NY, They have a combined population of almost 60 million people.
https://metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/election-map-by-county-3d-1.png

And if every single one of them (which includes a whole bunch of children) voted for the same candidate, they'd have fewer votes than Trump in 2016
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I don't mind that it still exists.

The_OD posted...

The electoral college is important to our elections.

98 votes in just 3 states as far as electoral college goes.
https://www.270towin.com/maps/bRgO6.png

By county. Between California and NY, They have a combined population of almost 60 million people.
https://metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/election-map-by-county-3d-1.png

It would take, the top 9 most populated states: California, Texas, Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, Georgia, North Carolina, which some of them are known to be very liberal, to win where as if NC voted red, along with the other 42 other states (counting DC) would win. so if those states voted blue every single GD time, we would never have a red president. Thats why the electoral college is so important..

it gives the less dense states like : Delaware, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska, District of Columbia, Vermont, Wyoming more of a voice in the elections since all those states combined only has a population of 5.2 million people

Yes we get it, you don't understand how the Electoral College works and why people want to bet rid of it. You literally just described why we should get rid of the Electoral College. Because red states vs blue states is how the president is determined, not by individual votes. Do you think literally every single person in California or New York is some far left wing raging liberal? This says more about you then anything. As of right now WITH the Electoral College if you are a Republican in California your vote for President doesn't count. There are more Democrats then Republicans in the state so casting an R vote has no effect on the outcome of the race.

If we got right of the Electoral College then do you know what would happen? Your vote would count. Popular vote is the most votes wins. So all those Republicans in California who either didn't vote or their vote didn't matter, well now their vote counts towards the total votes for whatever candidate they vote for. This means their vote actually matters now, unlike before. This also shows you didn't read my previous post describing exactly why it wouldn't become some silly thing like "only the coasts will matter."

And just as a general fyi, there are just as many red states on a coast as there are blue states.

Edit: Not being able to quote just a quote in this new system sucks. I had to copy and paste andnit put the name up as undefined. It wouldn't let me change it until I posted it then I could edit the name. Further it then gets rid of the hyperlink of the name like it is for all other posts. If this is working as intended then that is completely stupid.

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It obviously exists because Republicans need a social safety net to get into office so they can take away the social safety net of others.
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Probably for a similar reason as to why we have two houses in our legislative branch. Because they didn't want states with disproportionately high populations to have all the say.

There is no reason for the electoral college to exist. People always talk about state representation when this topic comes up, but that's a completely separate issue and not relevant to the existence of a group of random ass people that cast the "real" votes for president.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

It obviously exists because Republicans need a social safety net to get into office so they can take away the social safety net of others.

Imagine believing this.

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@karlpilkington4

How am I wrong?
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DeadBankerDream posted...

@karlpilkington4

How am I wrong?

Because its set at a state level. If you dont like it, do something about it. Its not some crazy conspiracy like you're making it out to be

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When will people realize that New York and California alone are not enough to win an election?

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Whatsa matter the person you wanted to win the election didnt?

karlpilkington4 posted...

Because its set at a state level. If you dont like it, do something about it. Its not some crazy conspiracy like you're making it out to be

@karlpilkington4

I'm not sure what that means or how it's in any way, shape or form related to what I said. I suspect that's a connection that is only viewable when you're high on something.

Also nothing I said was a consiracy.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

When will people realize that New York and California alone are not enough to win an election?

They've realized it. They pretend not to.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

@karlpilkington4

I'm not sure what that means or how it's in any way, shape or form related to what I said. I suspect that's a connection that is only viewable when you're high on something.

Also nothing I said was a consiracy.

I'm talking about the electoral college, bro. What are you talking about?

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Sure helps hive mentality

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ChrisTaka posted...

Wouldn't some smaller states lose power in votes if we didn't have the electoral college?

States wouldn't have any power with regards to the Presidential election. They'd have to survive on Congress and local politics to get their say

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solosnake posted...

People who live their entire lives inside cities shouldnt be the only votes that matter.

Assuming that everyone that lives within a certain region of land thinks the same way is exponentially dumber than assuming that everyone left or right is hivemind. Even if both coasts voted 100% for a single candidate, that still wouldn't be enough votes. I feel like no one can properly envision a change in our system because American politics have polluted their brain. It's all Electoral College and two-party system and us vs them all the time


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But you also have to take into consideration, how many people, especially the older population, who regardless is running for pres, automatically just straight up party votes.. and I mentioned earlier, yes cali and NY by themselves won't win..it takes at least the top 9 most populated states to win an election via popular vote, while fuck all for the other 42. especially considering the bottom 7 (counting DC) each have less than 1 mil in population.

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It was created to protect the interests of slaveholders, who, while having large numbers of slaves, could only count them as 3/5 a person (who couldn't vote anyway). Look it up.

It has been retconned into a big state-small state thing, but that's all too often by the same people who want to retcon and defend the Confederate flag.

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The_OD posted...

it takes at least the top 9 most populated states to win an election via popular vote, while fuck all for the other 42.

If I were running for president, I would simply get 100% of the popular vote across all 9 of the most populous states in the country

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Also, where are people getting this idea that voters in highly populated states want to fuck over voters in low populated states?

You gotta love this idea about making sure everyone's vote matters, but at the same time there's an idea that a Republican would never win another election, thereby making all Republican votes not matter.

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At this point it's about which states have the most sway, the biggest states or a handful of smaller states.

Because it's certainly not getting replaced with a different system altogether.

DuranOfForcena posted...

that's not a problem with the structure of the voting process, that's a problem with the appeal of the Republican platform

And I think a party as focused on winning as the GOP would change its approach if a popular vote were in place. They wouldn't just resign themselves to losing every election; they would adapt.
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