Current Events > If Bernie actually wins the nomination, do you think he can beat Trump?

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Thats a big if. The media is currently trying to sabotage him again...even Trump tweeted about it yesterday.

Bernie has a TON of support. But his anti-corporation philosophy is making news sources not want him to win, so the coverage is basically just everyone now trying to slander him.

If he somehow does win the primary, I think he has a GREAT shot at actually beating Trump. But with his age, I think hed only be a 1 term president.

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I wouldn't mind him losing as bad as Hillary, since she won the popular vote, and nobody even liked her.

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HellRatUFO posted...

No. Hed have lost just as bad as Hillary, if not worse, had he gotten the nomination. The youth that rally behind his asscrack that exclusively live in social media echo chambers do not understand how polarizing Bernie and his Socialism are among older left-wing liberal voters lol. Hillary 2016/Biden 2020 voters would more than likely vote for fucking Trump...Trump than they would Bernie if the General was between those two.

I stopped reading after you tried to claim that he would have lost just as bad as Hillary.

1. Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump. Thats hardly losing.
2. A large number of people wrote in Bernie in 2016, or just didnt vote at all because of how jaded they were at the whole situation.


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HellRatUFO posted...

No. Hed have lost just as bad as Hillary, if not worse, had he gotten the nomination.

Doubt it. Michigan might have flipped for Bernie, he had a lot of support among rural voters who voted for Trump. If one state in the rust belt had flipped, Trump would have lost.

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Evening_Dragon posted...

I wouldn't mind him losing as bad as Hillary, since she won the popular vote, and nobody even liked her.

Exactly. Bernies got the highest percentage of support amongst black and Hispanic voters, too. Which Hillary did NOT have.

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No. He will get endlessly tarred as a socialist, and Bernie won't be able to defend himself since he actually is one this time.

HellRatUFO posted...

Youre operating under the scope that Bernie didnt have a bunch of baggage that could be used against him that wouldve resulted in countless people not voting for him. You think Trump being cozy to Putin and Kim is bad? Wait until all the Gen Xers and Boomers saw all the footage of Bernie praising Fidel Castro, the Sandinistas, the Soviet Union, and so on being aired nonstop on television lol.

Fact remains, Trump's been buttfucking farmers for the last 2 years, and he has to take the entire rust belt to win the next election unless he flips two small states or a big one elsewhere. Right now he can't do it. It literally doesn't matter what they put on TV about Bernie at this point, people have lost their livelihoods to Trump's idiot trade war. The suicide rate among farmers is up. Even his 'deal' comes too late to keep a lot of farmers from losing an entire year of income.

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vigorm0rtis posted...

and he has to take the entire rust belt to win the next election

It's the opposite. The Democrats have to take the entire rust belt to win. Trump only has to win one of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania to win, which should be relatively easy to do, even if he loses the popular vote again as a result.

HellRatUFO posted...

Learn how the Electoral College works. Bragging about leading in the popular vote in a General Election, but losing the electoral map is like a basketball player bragging about how he lead in shooting but his team scored 40 points less than who they were playing against.

Youre operating under the assumption that there wouldnt have been countless liberal voters that wouldve abstained from voting, voted 3rd Party, or voted for Trump had Bernie gotten the nomination. Reddit and Twitter echo chambers of wokeness is not a reflection of the world outside of it.

Im fully aware of how the electoral college works. I take issue with you saying Hillary lost horribly. Wrong word, dawg. Winning the popular vote by 3 million is hardly losing Hahahaha

Even worse, is look at the districts that were created FOR the electoral college. Its horribly unbalanced, and incredibly racist. Gerrymandering has corrupted the electoral college to the point where its nowhere close to a true representation of the American people.


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I absolutlely think he could. I don't actually think there is a left candidate aside from him that can win.

A lot of what Bernie says people actually want.

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miki_sauvester posted...

It's the opposite. The Democrats have to take the entire rust belt to win. Trump only has to win one of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania to win, which should be relatively easy to do, even if he loses the popular vote again as a result.

... no, I get it. Math's hard.

One state in the rust belt would have flipped the last election.

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vigorm0rtis posted...

... no, I get it. Math's hard.

One state in the rust belt would have flipped the last election.

You must be really bad at math.

miki_sauvester posted...

You must be really bad at math.

For some reason, it's a really common myth among my liberal friends that the next Democrat only needs to win "1 more rust belt state" to win the election. I assume it spread on twitter at some point, and then everyone started believing it, including people like @vigorm0rtis

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Definitely, his supporters are just as gung-ho as Trumps.

Trump won because Bernie supporters didnt give a fuck about Hillary.
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miki_sauvester posted...

You must be really bad at math.

You're right-- it would have taken two states.

Trump's not gonna win the whole rust belt again. He's likely going to lose Michigan, and there are a lot of soy farmers in Ohio and Indiana.

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4chan5739 posted...

For some reason, it's a really common myth among my liberal friends that the next Democrat only needs to win "1 more rust belt state" to win the election. I assume it spread on twitter at some point, and then everyone started believing it, including people like @vigorm0rtis

...yeah, that doesn't exactly make things better. You either can't do basic math, or you believe dumb twitter rumors. Not sure which is worse.

miki_sauvester posted...

...yeah, that doesn't exactly make things better. You either can't do basic math, or you believe dumb twitter rumors. Not sure which is worse.

Apparently neither of you realize that electoral votes are zero sum.

And I'm not on any social media.

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vigorm0rtis posted...

Apparently neither of you realize that electoral votes are zero sum.

And you don't realize that a Democrat would have to flip three rust belt states to win, not one or two. At least you admitted you are bad at math though.

The media doesn't like him but if gets nominated you can bet they will suddenly love him. And yes I think he can beat trump

don't pay attention to hellrat, he has no idea what he's talking about.

Bernie would crush Trump

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I find that hellrat is quite informed. He just uses that information to come to really doomy conclusions.

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No. He'll win the popular vote though

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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

No. He'll win the popular vote though

It's sad that America is a country where this can actually be said.

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Bernie would definitely win
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hockeybub89 posted...

It's sad that America is a country where this can actually be said.

America was always designed with checks against popular mob rule.

miki_sauvester posted...

America was always designed with checks against popular mob rule.

I know. It's sad.

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EffectAndCause posted...

Definitely, his supporters are just as gung-ho as Trumps.

Trump won because Bernie supporters didnt give a fuck about Hillary.

This. People keep forgetting this.

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I think Bernie has the worst shot of any of the front runners of beating Trump. Most Americans dont want a socialist, despite what the Twitter user base makes it seem like.

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The Top Crusader posted...

I think Bernie has the worst shot of any of the front runners of beating Trump. Most Americans dont want a socialist, despite what the Twitter user base makes it seem like.

Lol hes not a socialist but ok.

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Biden is probably the safest bet at this point, but I think Bernie could still do it

I would definitely prefer Bernie
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Bernie is the only one who can beat Trump.
This is because Bernie is an honest man.
Trump does well when his opponents are typical scumbag politicians. In the last election, Trumps main critiques where they were beholden to giant corps, dishonest, conspirators, etc.
Now you may think"but Trump is too!" Yet we saw that it worked in his favor.

But none of those work on Bernie. For Bernie he would have to mock his age and his socialists plan. But mocking his plan would likely be ineffective.

Meanwhile, for Biden he can call him creepy with kids.
For Warren, Pochahontas.

MarqueeSeries posted...

Biden is probably the safest bet at this point, but I think Bernie could still do it

I would definitely prefer Bernie

Lollll Biden is the least safe. He wont get the nomination. The guy is senile and literally losing his mind. Just listen to him speak. He cant form coherent sentences.

Just imagine ole Joe in a debate against Trump. Donnie boy would DESTROY Biden.

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MFBKBass5 posted...

Lollll Biden is the least safe. He wont get the nomination. The guy is senile and literally losing his mind. Just listen to him speak. He cant form coherent sentences.

Just imagine ole Joe in a debate against Trump. Donnie boy would DESTROY Biden.

I didn't think it was possible, but you sound less coherent than either of them.

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Evening_Dragon posted...

I didn't think it was possible, but you sound less coherent than either of them.

I guess youve been brainwashed by the media to believe Biden is a decent candidate. Thats too bad.

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MFBKBass5 posted...

I guess youve been brainwashed by the media to believe Biden is a decent candidate. Thats too bad.

Nope. You just sound like a legume.

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Dunno.

But I know Biden can't beat Trump.
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Yes, but the media and DNC hate him. I don't know if they will, they worship Biden as a god.

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If his supporters are right about the DNC and liberal media trying to sabotage Bernie then why do they think that if Bernie wins the nomanation that suddenly the whole left would unite behind him?

Note I think they would but I also think the the DNC are not out to get him.

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The electoral college is a trash American invention that gets in the way of actual democracy. The majority of people spoke in favor of Hillary in 2016, despite her own faults and foibles, but their voices were ignored because of your shitty little colouring-in map.

You're the only country that does this electoral college shit, and twice in the 21st century has that shit given you a garbage president. Bootlick all you want about how the electoral college is democracy too, even as it continues to obstruct the spirit of democracy - everyone casting their vote with a fair and equal voice.

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I honestly don't think anyone's beating Trump unless they are willing to allow the corporations and rich people even more free reign than Trump is willing to give them

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Sanders has the best chance of beating Trump by a very long shot. But i dont think its a sure thing.

creativerealms posted...

If his supporters are right about the DNC and liberal media trying to sabotage Bernie then why do they think that if Bernie wins the nomanation that suddenly the whole left would unite behind him?

Note I think they would but I also think the the DNC are not out to get him.

The DNC elite are not the normal people supporting Bernie. The higher ups at the DNC are the same people who sabotaged him in 2016 and got Hillary the nomination.

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