Current Events > Why is it racist to support strict Immigration?

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I'm dating an immigrant and most of my friends are immigrants or kids of immigrants. I just think it is lazy for the rich to support this because this means less economic investment in the native population.

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Why is someone that denies the Holocaust asking a dumb question?

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Imagine needing attention this bad lol

Why does the person support strict immigration?

Because there's no logical argument against immigration.

Depends if you're white or not

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BadderHare posted...

Because there's no logical argument against immigration.

I'm not against immigration
Dragonblade01 posted...

Why does the person support strict immigration?

economic well being of the native population

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BadderHare posted...

Because there's no logical argument against immigration.

suppressed wages

assimilation takes time and effort, mass immigration slows this process down, taking a toll on collective social trust

prejudices from native country

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

economic well being of the native population

So they are valuing the population that's already there over the population that arrives later? Despite the fact that both are equally present within the population?

It's less that supporting strict immigration is inherently racist, and more that strict immigration tends to enable racism.

Basically, the act itself isn't necessarily bad, but it pushes a general ill view of the people it's set against that masses tend to adopt.

In almost every case it's way more trouble than it's worth as any perceived upside would be short lived and fixing the shitstorm that comes after would likely take decades.

I think the better question TC is whether or not Shoothouse is a good map on CoD MW 2K19.

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Dragonblade01 posted...

So they are valuing the population that's already there over the population that arrives later? Despite the fact that both are equally present within the population?

except they aren't, being an immigrant gives you a leg up in most developed nations

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Xenozoa425 posted...

I think the better question TC is whether or not Shoothouse is a good map on CoD MW 2K19.

so you can't come up with a serious rebuttal mr bernie supporter?.... aww you need a cookie? You need a safe space for your feewings :(

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

except they aren't, being an immigrant gives you a leg up in most developed nations

They aren't what? Equally present in the population? Immigrants have it better off on most developed countries than the native populace?

RoadsterUFO posted...

Every conservative argument against immigration is rooted in ironically enough...socialist flavored collective ownership over property.

You can easily call their bullshit out too on how theyre only against ILLEGAL immigration by suggesting to make it as easy as possible to immigrate here for employment with the catch being that they can pass a vaccine check, background check, disease check, and are illegible for any welfare assistance. They always move the goal posts too. They legit just hate brown people and will throw out another zero-sum fallacy about how theyre going to take someone elses job, when employment is not a fixed pie as there are no static set finite number of jobs in existence.

yet im dating a brown person right now?!

Dragonblade01 posted...

They aren't what? Equally present in the population? Immigrants have it better off on most developed countries than the native populace?

They come here with established networks, programs by uncle sams, and even private companies going out of their way to lend them **** like vehicles, leases, mortgages, and etc . If your born in the USA, you are most likely at the mercy of your parents financial status.


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TheMikh posted...

suppressed wages

might want to read up on the mountain of data showing the opposite before buying in to zero-sum economic illiteracy

TheMikh posted...

assimilation takes time and effort, mass immigration slows this process down, taking a toll on collective social trust

check this shit out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

RoadsterUFO posted...

Every conservative argument against immigration is rooted in ironically enough...socialist flavored collective ownership over property.

what

You can easily call their bullshit out too on how theyre only against ILLEGAL immigration by suggesting to make it as easy as possible to immigrate here for employment with the catch being that they can pass a vaccine check, background check, disease check, and are illegible for any welfare assistance. They always move the goal posts too. They legit just hate brown people and will throw out another zero-sum fallacy about how theyre going to take someone elses job, when employment is not a fixed pie as there are no static set finite number of jobs in existence.

true that the size of the pie is not fixed; it grows at a certain rate

when the pie grows faster than the population, wages rise and job availability increases; when the population grows faster, wages stagnate

bad monetary policy exacerbates this but that's another discussion, though it's important to note that the economic growth of the past decade is unsustainable and driven by dovish monetary policy; a bubble, if you will, and the real state of affairs will be ugly when it catches up with us

there is absolutely room for immigration but any policy that does not factor its relationship with wages into the equation is not approaching policy from an economically pragmatic standpoint

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

so you can't come up with a serious rebuttal mr bernie supporter?.... aww you need a cookie? You need a safe space for your feewings :(

It's ok, I understand, if I were you I'd also feel the constant need to take out my anger against random people in an online message board, especially if I had spent hundreds of dollars on CoD cosmetics like emotes and anime girl skins for my guns that should magically guarantee me wins but don't, because that dang SBMM makes finding a match take forever.

But let's be honest though, Picadilly is where it's at.

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BadderHare posted...

might want to read up on the mountain of data showing the opposite before buying in to zero-sum economic illiteracy

i'll make a point to look for such studies as there is a case to be made, after all, that comprehensive productivity gains would drive down real prices long-term, stimulating purchasing power

barring that, however, the hypothesis that a saturated labor market boosts wages flies in the face of basic economics

perhaps i'm biased against business on this issue, but labor competing for employment rather than employers competing for labor seems downright regressive

check this shit out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

elaborate

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TheMikh posted...

true that the size of the pie is not fixed; it grows at a certain rate

when the pie grows faster than the population, wages rise and job availability increases; when the population grows faster, wages stagnate

bad monetary policy exacerbates this but that's another discussion, though it's important to note that the economic growth of the past decade is unsustainable and driven by dovish monetary policy; a bubble, if you will, and the real state of affairs will be ugly when it catches up with us

there is absolutely room for immigration but any policy that does not factor its relationship with wages into the equation is not approaching policy from an economically pragmatic standpoint

Do you have any evidence that actually conclusively demonstrates immigration having had a depressive impact on average US wages at any point in US history?

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Fun fact: Many Democrats supported a fence/wall on the southern border back in the late 2000s, the likes of Obama as a then U.S. Senator voted for it. Many Republicans voted against it on the grounds of it being too costly lol. Funny how the parties have swapped a decade later on this.

republicans only care about the budget when they're out of power, though with the latest wave they haven't really given a damn at all

from a policy standpoint the paleocon insurgency seems to resemble the democratic party with respect to everything but social progressivism, immigration, and some less hot-button issues like the exact degree of state intervention and the bureaucratic industrial complex

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TheMikh posted...

barring that, however, the hypothesis that a saturated labor market boosts wages flies in the face of basic economics

The US does not have anything close to a saturated labor market, and you also don't seem to realize that immigrants impact the supply AND demand for labor. Again, this is zero-sum stuff that's long been debunked:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy

TheMikh posted...

elaborate

The US has 250 years worth of mass immigration that shits over every dumb assimilation argument ever made.

Frolex posted...

Do you have any evidence that actually conclusively demonstrates immigration having had a depressive impact on average US wages at any point in US history?

a key area of past reading has been the dynamics of northern and southern wages during the great migration, the findings from which i've extrapolated

BadderHare posted...

The US has 250 years worth of mass immigration that shits over every dumb assimilation argument ever made.

and the most xenophobic reaction to integration and related developments outside the south itself notably came from unassimilated enclaves of european immigrants in the in the north, severely lagging behind much of the country's gradual embrace of civil rights

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because basically every argument against immigration is just a paraphrasing of the fourteen words

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TheMikh posted...

a key area of past reading has been the dynamics of northern and southern wages during the great migration, the findings from which i've extrapolated

So you don't actually have the evidence to back up your argument. should have just said so off the bat, would have made this a whole lot faster

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

I'm dating an immigrant and most of my friends are immigrants or kids of immigrants. I just think it is lazy for the rich to support this because this means less economic investment in the native population.

Whats the difference between a new person being born in the United States compared to a new person coming in from another country?

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Most people wouldnt let a hobo or random person in the street into their home or leave their doors unlocked so anyone can come in as they please. So why should countries expect to do it on a wider scale?

Heck most people ask a tradesperson to show some ID or a work badge if they are expecting someone to come to fix something.

^Wow, that was an impressive fart.

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Frolex posted...

So you don't actually have the evidence to back up your argument. should have just said so off the bat, would have made this a whole lot faster

god of the gaps

i'm aware of studies in both directions, but do not consider myself in a position to comment on either at this time

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There are 700,000 illegal immigrants here from Europe, most of them white. How many of them do you think are stripped from their kids and stuck in concentration camps on the border?

Remember that big raid they had at some factory a while back? Being here illegally is a misdemeanor. Hiring an illegal immigrant is a felony. How many of those owners and supervisors are sitting in jail right now?

THAT'S why it's racist.

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toyota posted...

Most people wouldnt let a hobo or random person in the street into their home or leave their doors unlocked so anyone can come in as they please. So why should countries expect to do it on a wider scale?

Heck most people ask a tradesperson to show some ID or a work badge if they are expecting someone to come to fix something.

There are a lot of assholes I don't want coming in my house, but I'm okay with them living in the same town as me. I'm not the local king.

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jumi posted...

There are 700,000 illegal immigrants here from Europe, most of them white. How many of them do you think are stripped from their kids and stuck in concentration camps on the border?

Remember that big raid they had at some factory a while back? Being here illegally is a misdemeanor. Hiring an illegal immigrant is a felony. How many of those owners and supervisors are sitting in jail right now?

THAT'S why it's racist.

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It's not racist. Next.

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TheMikh posted...

god of the gaps

i'm aware of studies in both directions, but do not consider myself in a position to comment on either at this time

1: There have been numerous studies which demonstrate immigration has a positive impact on average wages, but not a single one that concludes immigration depresses the overall average wages of workers in the US. Even the most conservative research studies have only managed to show negative impacts on specific demographics in specific neighborhoods (i.e. unskilled laborers without high school diplomas) and even these studies still conclude that immigration to the US has a positive influence on both economy and wages for the native US population. The overwhelming research consensus on the topic points to immigration being a net positive for wages, and pretending there exists some major contention on that point among researchers or economists shows you're either lying or comically misinformed on the topic.

2:"god of the gaps" is not a synonym for willful ignorance, and even if it were, it still wouldn't be an excuse for making arguments that you cannot back up with empirical evidence.

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Frolex posted...

1: There have been numerous studies which demonstrate immigration has a positive impact on average wages, but not a single one that concludes immigration depresses the overall average wages of workers in the US. Even the most conservative research studies have only managed to show negative impacts on specific demographics in specific neighborhoods (i.e. unskilled laborers without high school diplomas) and even these studies still conclude that immigration to the US has a positive influence on both economy and wages for the native US population. The overwhelming research consensus on the topic points to immigration being a net positive for wages, and pretending there exists some major contention on that point among researchers or economists shows you're either lying or comically misinformed on the topic.

2:"god of the gaps" is not a synonym for willful ignorance, and even if it were, it still wouldn't be an excuse for making arguments that you cannot back up with empirical evidence.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

meanwhile the rich and immigrants, documented and undocumented are eating a gourmet buffet


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JBaLLEN66 posted...

meanwhile the rich and immigrants, documented and undocumented are eating a gourmet buffet

Its the rich that are screwing us over, dude, not working class and impoverished immigrants.

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Shablagoo posted...

Its the rich that are screwing us over, dude, not working class and impoverished immigrants.

yeah and the rich benefit off of immigration and refuse to redistribute the wealth to the other classes

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

Why don't you try actually reading the articles you post, rather than just furiously googling "immigration wages us" and posting the first link you think proves your point. That article gives numerous factors that contribute to wage stagnation in the us and spoiler alert not a single one of them is immigration. Or do you need someone to sit you down like a child and explain to you how immigration can contribute to wage growth but still not be enough overcome the causes of wage stagnation? Because in that cause, your priority should probably be in finding a way to get your money back from whoever taught you rudimentary statistics.

JBaLLEN66 posted...

meanwhile the rich and immigrants, documented and undocumented are eating a gourmet buffet

What the fuck are you even on about? Average earnings for foreign born workers in the US are lower than those of the native population
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2017/foreign-born-workers-made-83-point-1-percent-of-the-earnings-of-their-native-born-counterparts-in-2016.htm
What kind of reality do you exist in where all immigrants, let alone fucking undocumented immigrants, are earning "gourmet buffet" wages? For someone who is constantly getting clowned on for their history of holocaust denial, you'd think you'd be a little more subtle about your inability to engage with the truth.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

yeah and the rich benefit off of immigration and refuse to redistribute the wealth to the other classes

oh yeah. Like someone said earlier though, for some reason the justice system punishes the workers instead of the people who hire them (often at wages well below minimum).

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Not an argument.

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Its not racist, proponents of illegal immigration (which is dangerous) call opposition to it racist because they cant debate it honestly and with merit. Its an attempt to discredit because they have nothing else.

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jumi posted...

There are 700,000 illegal immigrants here from Europe, most of them white. How many of them do you think are stripped from their kids and stuck in concentration camps on the border?

Remember that big raid they had at some factory a while back? Being here illegally is a misdemeanor. Hiring an illegal immigrant is a felony. How many of those owners and supervisors are sitting in jail right now?

THAT'S why it's racist.

That seems like classism. I dont consider immigrant, owner, and supervisor to be races

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@JBaLLEN66 so which is it

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/265239-call-of-duty-modern-warfare/78244849

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/265239-call-of-duty-modern-warfare/78237055

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/265239-call-of-duty-modern-warfare/78210465

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Rebel_Patriot posted...

That seems like classism. I dont consider immigrant, owner, and supervisor to be races

Brown people are punished, white people are not, is what I'm saying.

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jumi posted...

Brown people are punished, white people are not, is what I'm saying.

punished by who?

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