Board 8 > Do you side with martin scorcese or the mcu films?

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Eddv 10/14/19 7:04:23 PM #51:	No in order to understand captain america 2 you need to be well versed in the Marvel universe built by the preceding movies. Complicating matters is that Captain America 1 is not in fact one of those movies. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/AWY4xHy <cite>Eddv posted [p:928768340] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>No in order to understand captain america 2 you need to be well versed in the Marvel universe built by the preceding movies. Complicating matters is that Captain America 1 is not in fact one of those movies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/14/19 7:08:40 PM #52:	Eddv posted... No in order to understand captain america 2 you need to be well versed in the Marvel universe built by the preceding movies. Complicating matters is that Captain America 1 is not in fact one of those movies. ...That's like, completely ass backwards. You need to know very little of the general Marvel Universe to understand what's going on in Winter Soldier, and if anything you really only need Captain America 1 since it contains most of the important characters or atleast the organization they are from when it comes to the villains (granted one/technically two are literally from CA1 so) --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:928768504] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>No in order to understand captain america 2 you need to be well versed in the Marvel universe built by the preceding movies. Complicating matters is that Captain America 1 is not in fact one of those movies.</quote> ...That's like, completely ass backwards. You need to know very little of the general Marvel Universe to understand what's going on in Winter Soldier, and if anything you really only need Captain America 1 since it contains most of the important characters or atleast the organization they are from when it comes to the villains (granted one/technically two are literally from CA1 so)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 10/14/19 7:10:32 PM #53:	Yeah, what do you need to know from the other MCU movies to appreciate Winter Soldier? It's not like you need to know Black Widow's background. All you really need to know is why you should care about Bucky, which is established in Cap 1. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:928768569] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, what do you need to know from the other MCU movies to appreciate Winter Soldier? It's not like you need to know Black Widow's background. All you really need to know is why you should care about Bucky, which is established in Cap 1.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 10/14/19 7:14:25 PM #54:	I think the concept of what SHIELD is, what Hydra is, and why it's shocking that one infiltrated the other is sort of important to understanding the impact of Winter Soldier, but I think you can pretty much understand it without knowing that stuff <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:928768708] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>I think the concept of what SHIELD is, what Hydra is, and why it's shocking that one infiltrated the other is sort of important to understanding the impact of Winter Soldier, but I think you can pretty much understand it without knowing that stuff</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/14/19 7:14:28 PM #55:	Bucky and Hydra are the two main components in MCU that have history that matter, and they're both Cap 1. Widow/Fury/SHIELD are all pretty well self contained for what they lend to TWS itself. EDIT: Like, it's pretty easy to fill in any blanks on SHIELD from TWS itself. They're the good guys and they've been infiltrated by the bad guys. Boom. Obviously there's more nuance to it, but that's all you need to know to enjoy the movie, and the movie tells you that itself. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:928768711] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Bucky and Hydra are the two main components in MCU that have history that matter, and they're both Cap 1. Widow/Fury/SHIELD are all pretty well self contained for what they lend to TWS itself. EDIT: Like, it's pretty easy to fill in any blanks on SHIELD from TWS itself. They're the good guys and they've been infiltrated by the bad guys. Boom. Obviously there's more nuance to it, but that's all you need to know to enjoy the movie, and the movie tells you that itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/14/19 7:17:14 PM #56:	Hard disagree Winter Soldier gets benefits in order from watching Captain America (Bucky backstory and Captain America/Hydra backstory) Avengers (Black Widow and Nick Fury/Shield have big roles so having some extra familiarity with them is nice) I wouldn't say any of the other films add a single thing, and neither one is necessary to watch to follow Winter Soldier Helps that Avengers is also quite good and requires nothing to follow it either so it's an ANH thing of "why not watch it" you know. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:928768823] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Hard disagree Winter Soldier gets benefits in order from watching Captain America (Bucky backstory and Captain America/Hydra backstory) Avengers (Black Widow and Nick Fury/Shield have big roles so having some extra familiarity with them is nice) I wouldn't say any of the other films add a single thing, and neither one is necessary to watch to follow Winter Soldier Helps that Avengers is also quite good and requires nothing to follow it either so it's an ANH thing of "why not watch it" you know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 10/14/19 7:19:47 PM #57:	The whole thing about how the interconnectivity of the MCU movies ruins them as standalone films isn't really something I agree with anyway - the fact that they have that connecting tissue is what makes them sort of unique among movies, and I think it's something that has value for its own sake <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:928768918] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>The whole thing about how the interconnectivity of the MCU movies ruins them as standalone films isn't really something I agree with anyway - the fact that they have that connecting tissue is what makes them sort of unique among movies, and I think it's something that has value for its own sake</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/14/19 7:25:39 PM #58:	I think the Infinity War movies kinda jump too deep into that but in general I agree with the idea that movies enhancing other movies is not a bad thing. The important thing is that it's kept to enhancing and not as necessary knowledge, which I do feel the MCU is generally good at doing. The movies are fairly good at introducing you to the relevant ideas in a brief enough way that it doesn't feel excessive to people who are unfamiliar, but with enough detail that it gets the unfamiliar people sufficiently up to speed to follow the plots. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:928769135] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>I think the Infinity War movies kinda jump too deep into that but in general I agree with the idea that movies enhancing other movies is not a bad thing. The important thing is that it's kept to enhancing and not as necessary knowledge, which I do feel the MCU is generally good at doing. The movies are fairly good at introducing you to the relevant ideas in a brief enough way that it doesn't feel excessive to people who are unfamiliar, but with enough detail that it gets the unfamiliar people sufficiently up to speed to follow the plots.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/14/19 7:26:15 PM #59:	Yeah, the movies all connecting is great, but other than like, Infinity War -> Endgame, most of them do a pretty good job of being self-contained enough and giving you just enough information to enjoy the movie by itself. Hell, I'm in the process of finishing up watching the last few of them with my mother, and we've only been watching them one every other month at most, so she remembers very little from movie to movie, but she's rarely ever gotten lost or needed something explained, and that's a woman in her 60s who is much less interested to begin with. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:928769157] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, the movies all connecting is great, but other than like, Infinity War -> Endgame, most of them do a pretty good job of being self-contained enough and giving you just enough information to enjoy the movie by itself. Hell, I'm in the process of finishing up watching the last few of them with my mother, and we've only been watching them one every other month at most, so she remembers very little from movie to movie, but she's rarely ever gotten lost or needed something explained, and that's a woman in her 60s who is much less interested to begin with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/14/19 7:29:18 PM #60:	Yeah I watched most of them with my mother too and many out of order that's sort of the barometer I use to gauge how easily followed they are without having seen/remembered the pieces. Endgame requires Infinity War, and I would argue Infinity War itself is a bit too involved in references to tackle as a first movie unlike most of them, but beyond those two? Nah. You get by. Ultron is probably the third worst in this regard but I would argue that movie simply isn't very good even if you "get it" so that's just a symptom of that to an extent. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:928769262] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I watched most of them with my mother too and many out of order that's sort of the barometer I use to gauge how easily followed they are without having seen/remembered the pieces. Endgame requires Infinity War, and I would argue Infinity War itself is a bit too involved in references to tackle as a first movie unlike most of them, but beyond those two? Nah. You get by. Ultron is probably the third worst in this regard but I would argue that movie simply isn't very good even if you "get it" so that's just a symptom of that to an extent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nrrr 10/14/19 7:39:51 PM #61:	You can understand the gist of what's going on without seeing the other movies, but you can't appreciate what little meat to the film there is without context. The first film in the captain america series is definitely the most traditionally cinematic of them all - a largely standalone piece that introduces us to a kid from Brooklyn who wants to fight the good fight but lacks the tools to do it, and when he is blessed with those tools, how it causes him to lose his entire world. But it's still a fucking advertisement. The whole thing is a hypetrain, the choices aren't organic and are made to interconnect everything and set up other movies and nod to other events. And it's all to sell more merch, and more mcu movies. For the studios, it's obvious why they love this. But it's a bunch of cover bands. Especially after the first film in the series, there are hardly any artistic decisions to make, it's just keeping it fresh. The point isn't to make us understand captain america and experience his journey, it's to introduce us to captain america, so we can decide he's cool and buy his t shirts. I feel bad for the directors, it's like having an insane amount of talent and your job is making hamburglar commercials. --- I'm baby <cite>Nrrr posted [p:928769616] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>You can understand the gist of what's going on without seeing the other movies, but you can't appreciate what little meat to the film there is without context. The first film in the captain america series is definitely the most traditionally cinematic of them all - a largely standalone piece that introduces us to a kid from Brooklyn who wants to fight the good fight but lacks the tools to do it, and when he is blessed with those tools, how it causes him to lose his entire world. But it's still a fucking advertisement. The whole thing is a hypetrain, the choices aren't organic and are made to interconnect everything and set up other movies and nod to other events. And it's all to sell more merch, and more mcu movies. For the studios, it's obvious why they love this. But it's a bunch of cover bands. Especially after the first film in the series, there are hardly any artistic decisions to make, it's just keeping it fresh. The point isn't to make us understand captain america and experience his journey, it's to introduce us to captain america, so we can decide he's cool and buy his t shirts. I feel bad for the directors, it's like having an insane amount of talent and your job is making hamburglar commercials. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xiahou Shake 10/14/19 7:41:54 PM #62:	Endgame is actually the only movie I'd say has major issues with being standalone, and that's easy to forgive since the whole point of the movie was tying everything to that point up. There's a video or a post somewhere that perfectly highlights this and I wish I could remember it, but even Infinity War is brilliantly yet subtly crafted to get newcomers up to speed instantly. Like the scene where Thor and Starlord meet feels like a silly joke fest for (I'm guessing) everyone here since we already know who they are, but BECAUSE we know, we miss the fact that they're also literally spelling out who these people are and what their pasts are for those who didn't see their movies. Edit: Like yes obviously you get way more out of these movies if you have that 10 year connection and know literally everything about the characters and larger world, but to say they don't work as films without all of that stuff simply isn't true. --- Let the voice of love take you higher, With this gathering power, go beyond even time! <cite>Xiahou Shake posted [p:928769687] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Endgame is actually the only movie I'd say has major issues with being standalone, and that's easy to forgive since the whole point of the movie was tying everything to that point up. There's a video or a post somewhere that perfectly highlights this and I wish I could remember it, but even Infinity War is brilliantly yet subtly crafted to get newcomers up to speed instantly. Like the scene where Thor and Starlord meet feels like a silly joke fest for (I'm guessing) everyone here since we already know who they are, but BECAUSE we know, we miss the fact that they're also literally spelling out who these people are and what their pasts are for those who didn't see their movies. Edit: Like yes obviously you get way more out of these movies if you have that 10 year connection and know literally everything about the characters and larger world, but to say they don't work as films without all of that stuff simply isn't true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seginustemple 10/14/19 7:46:48 PM #63:	I'd love to see a Scorsese-directed mobster hamburglar commercial I mean at one point they had David Lynch doing Playstation commercials, anything's possible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msMehuZo3x8" data-time=" <cite>Seginustemple posted [p:928769865] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>I'd love to see a Scorsese-directed mobster hamburglar commercial I mean at one point they had David Lynch doing Playstation commercials, anything's possible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msMehuZo3x8" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 10/14/19 7:55:15 PM #64:	I hadn't seen any of the movies with Scarlet Witch or Vision or those mercenary-type dudes when I saw Infinity War and the movie did a very nonexistent job of explaining who they are or why I should care. Like they jump into a romance between Witch and Vision and you're like ????? I'm not saying this really as a negative because IW is one MCU movie where you should be expected to know largely what's going on and some characters it probably did introduce well. Just, at the very least, not the ones I didn't already know about. --- Video Game Music Contest 14 winner: Terraria Calamity - Scourge of the Universe <cite>NFUN posted [p:928770183] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>I hadn't seen any of the movies with Scarlet Witch or Vision or those mercenary-type dudes when I saw Infinity War and the movie did a very nonexistent job of explaining who they are or why I should care. Like they jump into a romance between Witch and Vision and you're like ????? I'm not saying this really as a negative because IW is one MCU movie where you should be expected to know largely what's going on and some characters it probably did introduce well. Just, at the very least, not the ones I didn't already know about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 10/14/19 8:12:29 PM #65:	well in the case of Scarlet Witch and Vision, no, they're just handled very badly and watching Avengers 2 and Civil War doesn't change that --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:928770820] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>well in the case of Scarlet Witch and Vision, no, they're just handled very badly and watching Avengers 2 and Civil War doesn't change that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nelson_Mandela 10/14/19 11:54:45 PM #67:	Man I have never seen a fanbase so virulently defensive about their entertainment. It's almost as if their MCU is the only thing that makes them feel unique despite being literally the most mainstream IP of all time. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:928780840] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Man I have never seen a fanbase so virulently defensive about their entertainment. It's almost as if their MCU is the only thing that makes them feel unique despite being literally the most mainstream IP of all time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 10/14/19 11:55:45 PM #68:	I've thoroughly enjoyed most of the MCU movies I've watched and I don't feel the strong need to defend them from Scorcese's correct and valid criticism. --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Smash Ultimate Switch Code: SW-6933-1523-8505 <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:928780874] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>I've thoroughly enjoyed most of the MCU movies I've watched and I don't feel the strong need to defend them from Scorcese's correct and valid criticism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 10/14/19 11:56:41 PM #70:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Man I have never seen a fanbase so virulently defensive about their entertainment. don't get out much huh --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:928780900] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Man I have never seen a fanbase so virulently defensive about their entertainment.</quote> don't get out much huh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 10/14/19 11:57:24 PM #71:	I think people like Seph who are huge film nerds are more like to be frustrated and burnt out by the deluge of superhero flicks is coz they are hugely attached to the idea that movies are a higher art form. Writing still superior! --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Smash Ultimate Switch Code: SW-6933-1523-8505 <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:928780932] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>I think people like Seph who are huge film nerds are more like to be frustrated and burnt out by the deluge of superhero flicks is coz they are hugely attached to the idea that movies are a higher art form. Writing still superior!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CoolCly 10/15/19 12:26:46 AM #73:	The MCU is a very character driven franchise, and it explores these characters expertly. This focus allows fans to develop emotional connection and reactions to the growth and events that these characters go through. Is characterization not valid cinema? Is provoking emotional feelings or thoughts not an accomplishment? This is very similar to the "literature vs genre fiction" debate in the book world, and it's just as dumb here is as it is there. --- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG <cite>CoolCly posted [p:928781888] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>The MCU is a very character driven franchise, and it explores these characters expertly. This focus allows fans to develop emotional connection and reactions to the growth and events that these characters go through. Is characterization not valid cinema? Is provoking emotional feelings or thoughts not an accomplishment? This is very similar to the "literature vs genre fiction" debate in the book world, and it's just as dumb here is as it is there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 10/15/19 4:27:56 AM #74:	CoolCly posted... The MCU is a very character driven franchise, and it explores these characters expertly. This is where the source of my disagreement is on the large scale. The characterization is shallow, forced and ultimately uninteresting these 20 odd films later. Especially so when I am already familiar with the characters prior to even seeing the film. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/AWY4xHy <cite>Eddv posted [p:928786154] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>CoolCly posted...</cite> <quote>The MCU is a very character driven franchise, and it explores these characters expertly.</quote> This is where the source of my disagreement is on the large scale. The characterization is shallow, forced and ultimately uninteresting these 20 odd films later. Especially so when I am already familiar with the characters prior to even seeing the film.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 10/15/19 6:16:22 AM #75:	Scorsese thought he was too high-brow to do the Godfather until he had no money left for film-making. He's a hypocrite snob who can go fuck himself. Imagine how good of an MCU movie he'd make today if he was out of funding. --- Advokaiser, 2018 character battle guru champ! <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:928787439] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Scorsese thought he was too high-brow to do the Godfather until he had no money left for film-making. He's a hypocrite snob who can go fuck himself. Imagine how good of an MCU movie he'd make today if he was out of funding.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 10/15/19 6:29:13 AM #76:	banananor posted... I can't remember the last time one posed an actual question, showed me something new, or gave me an insight about life. Killmonger is angry about the black experience and thinks an African nation should take revenge on the world in Black Panther. That's not an actual question? It wasn't new? It didn't give you insight to life? It might be shallow on all three, but it does them all. There are many people with good reason to be upset and they actually tried to speak to that. You can't be upset it didn't resolve it because no one has, but it addressed it. --- Advokaiser, 2018 character battle guru champ! <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:928787590] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted...</cite> <quote>I can't remember the last time one posed an actual question, showed me something new, or gave me an insight about life.</quote> Killmonger is angry about the black experience and thinks an African nation should take revenge on the world in Black Panther. That's not an actual question? It wasn't new? It didn't give you insight to life? It might be shallow on all three, but it does them all. There are many people with good reason to be upset and they actually tried to speak to that. You can't be upset it didn't resolve it because no one has, but it addressed it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 10/15/19 7:02:49 AM #77:	NFUN posted... I hadn't seen any of the movies with Scarlet Witch or Vision or those mercenary-type dudes when I saw Infinity War and the movie did a very nonexistent job of explaining who they are or why I should care. Like they jump into a romance between Witch and Vision and you're like ????? I'm not saying this really as a negative because IW is one MCU movie where you should be expected to know largely what's going on and some characters it probably did introduce well. Just, at the very least, not the ones I didn't already know about. Vision and Scarlet Witch get maybe 15-20 minutes and I understand their relationship better than Moll and Pascal from Beast and they get the whole movie together. You get told they have a relationship, others would prefer they didn't, and one of them gets attacked to the point the other has to kill him at his request... I could grok that in a 5 minute short film made by a student. --- Advokaiser, 2018 character battle guru champ! <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:928788014] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>NFUN posted...</cite> <quote>I hadn't seen any of the movies with Scarlet Witch or Vision or those mercenary-type dudes when I saw Infinity War and the movie did a very nonexistent job of explaining who they are or why I should care. Like they jump into a romance between Witch and Vision and you're like ????? I'm not saying this really as a negative because IW is one MCU movie where you should be expected to know largely what's going on and some characters it probably did introduce well. Just, at the very least, not the ones I didn't already know about.</quote> Vision and Scarlet Witch get maybe 15-20 minutes and I understand their relationship better than Moll and Pascal from Beast and they get the whole movie together. You get told they have a relationship, others would prefer they didn't, and one of them gets attacked to the point the other has to kill him at his request... I could grok that in a 5 minute short film made by a student.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 10/15/19 8:59:42 AM #78:	ChichiriMuyo posted... Scorsese thought he was too high-brow to do the Godfather until he had no money left for film-making. He's a hypocrite snob who can go fuck himself. Imagine how good of an MCU movie he'd make today if he was out of funding. Scorcese had nothing to do with the Godfather --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:928790127] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>ChichiriMuyo posted... </cite> <quote>Scorsese thought he was too high-brow to do the Godfather until he had no money left for film-making. He's a hypocrite snob who can go fuck himself. Imagine how good of an MCU movie he'd make today if he was out of funding.</quote>Scorcese had nothing to do with the Godfather </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 10/15/19 10:07:22 AM #79:	ChichiriMuyo posted... NFUN posted... I hadn't seen any of the movies with Scarlet Witch or Vision or those mercenary-type dudes when I saw Infinity War and the movie did a very nonexistent job of explaining who they are or why I should care. Like they jump into a romance between Witch and Vision and you're like ????? I'm not saying this really as a negative because IW is one MCU movie where you should be expected to know largely what's going on and some characters it probably did introduce well. Just, at the very least, not the ones I didn't already know about. Vision and Scarlet Witch get maybe 15-20 minutes and I understand their relationship better than Moll and Pascal from Beast and they get the whole movie together. You get told they have a relationship, others would prefer they didn't, and one of them gets attacked to the point the other has to kill him at his request... I could grok that in a 5 minute short film made by a student. you seem to think that this is a defense? --- Video Game Music Contest 14 winner: Terraria Calamity - Scourge of the Universe <cite>NFUN posted [p:928791833] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>ChichiriMuyo posted...</cite> <quote>NFUN posted...</cite> <quote>I hadn't seen any of the movies with Scarlet Witch or Vision or those mercenary-type dudes when I saw Infinity War and the movie did a very nonexistent job of explaining who they are or why I should care. Like they jump into a romance between Witch and Vision and you're like ????? I'm not saying this really as a negative because IW is one MCU movie where you should be expected to know largely what's going on and some characters it probably did introduce well. Just, at the very least, not the ones I didn't already know about.</quote> Vision and Scarlet Witch get maybe 15-20 minutes and I understand their relationship better than Moll and Pascal from Beast and they get the whole movie together. You get told they have a relationship, others would prefer they didn't, and one of them gets attacked to the point the other has to kill him at his request... I could grok that in a 5 minute short film made by a student.</quote> you seem to think that this is a defense?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 10/15/19 11:36:51 AM #80:	Francis Ford Scorcese --- rip imgcake <cite>KingButz posted [p:928794866] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Francis Ford Scorcese</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 10/15/19 11:45:33 AM #81:	KingButz posted... Francis Ford Scorcese Yeah wait wtf? --- Video Game Music Contest 14 winner: Terraria Calamity - Scourge of the Universe <cite>NFUN posted [p:928795199] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>KingButz posted...</cite> <quote>Francis Ford Scorcese</quote> Yeah wait wtf?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 10/15/19 1:19:03 PM #82:	If MCU movies are so great, then why aren't they the best comic book superhero movies? OK, it's easily the best franchise just for being consistently good if nothing else, but how many of the individual films would anyone put on a top 10 superhero movie list? It's hard for me to say the MCU really deserves the same respect that great films get when most of the MCU isn't even up there with the best in their genre. --- Congrats to 2019 Guru champ Advokaiser! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:928798845] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>If MCU movies are so great, then why aren't they the best comic book superhero movies? OK, it's easily the best franchise just for being consistently good if nothing else, but how many of the individual films would anyone put on a top 10 superhero movie list? It's hard for me to say the MCU really deserves the same respect that great films get when most of the MCU isn't even up there with the best in their genre.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/15/19 1:26:42 PM #83:	Xeybozn posted... but how many of the individual films would anyone put on a top 10 superhero movie list? Hmm. Got curious... 1. The Dark Knight 2. The Avengers 3. Batman Begins 4. Captain America: Civil War 5. Captain America: The Winter Soldier 6. X-Men: Days of Future Past 7. Logan 8. Deadpool 9. Thor: Ragnarok 10. Guardians of the Galaxy Decent amount I guess? You are right that relative to the volume they put out it's not a great ratio though. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:928799134] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted...</cite> <quote>but how many of the individual films would anyone put on a top 10 superhero movie list?</quote> Hmm. Got curious... 1. The Dark Knight 2. The Avengers 3. Batman Begins 4. Captain America: Civil War 5. Captain America: The Winter Soldier 6. X-Men: Days of Future Past 7. Logan 8. Deadpool 9. Thor: Ragnarok 10. Guardians of the Galaxy Decent amount I guess? You are right that relative to the volume they put out it's not a great ratio though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 10/15/19 1:27:25 PM #84:	Avengers is like, a top 3 superhero movie to me --- Not to be confused with XIII_Stones. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:928799162] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Avengers is like, a top 3 superhero movie to me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 10/15/19 2:24:59 PM #85:	Xeybozn posted... If MCU movies are so great, then why aren't they the best comic book superhero movies? OK, it's easily the best franchise just for being consistently good if nothing else, but how many of the individual films would anyone put on a top 10 superhero movie list? It's hard for me to say the MCU really deserves the same respect that great films get when most of the MCU isn't even up there with the best in their genre. I mean I'd say they get anywhere from 6-8 spots, so. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:928801425] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted...</cite> <quote>If MCU movies are so great, then why aren't they the best comic book superhero movies? OK, it's easily the best franchise just for being consistently good if nothing else, but how many of the individual films would anyone put on a top 10 superhero movie list? It's hard for me to say the MCU really deserves the same respect that great films get when most of the MCU isn't even up there with the best in their genre.</quote> I mean I'd say they get anywhere from 6-8 spots, so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 10/15/19 2:32:16 PM #86:	Yeah, if you can take up half of the top ten, that's pretty solid. There have been some good non-MCU comics movies. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:928801716] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, if you can take up half of the top ten, that's pretty solid. There have been some good non-MCU comics movies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 10/15/19 3:12:05 PM #87:	I didn't really think too hard about an actual ranking before I made that post, but I'll admit the MCU looks better than I was expecting. My guess was that most people would have about 3-5 MCU movies on such a list, but I'll also admit I'm a lot less into MCU stuff than most people. I suppose it's just that even that seems kind of disappointing considering how popular the MCU is and how there aren't really that many good comicbook movies outside the MCU. They're better than most things in their genre, but I'd expect crazy dominance if we're going to argue they're among the best films overall. --- Congrats to 2019 Guru champ Advokaiser! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:928803325] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>I didn't really think too hard about an actual ranking before I made that post, but I'll admit the MCU looks better than I was expecting. My guess was that most people would have about 3-5 MCU movies on such a list, but I'll also admit I'm a lot less into MCU stuff than most people. I suppose it's just that even that seems kind of disappointing considering how popular the MCU is and how there aren't really that many good comicbook movies outside the MCU. They're better than most things in their genre, but I'd expect crazy dominance if we're going to argue they're among the best films overall.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/15/19 3:25:20 PM #88:	Depends. I really like comic book movies as a genre so like, Marvel 'only' having 5/10 on mine isn't really that damning cause like my top 25 movies might actually have the entirety of that top 10 in it-- definitely the top 7 at least. I think among people who are into them, it does things really well. But most movie snobs probably scoff at my movie tastes anyway so I'm not really the right guy to have this discussion with on a lot of fronts. That being said I'll still take Nolan Batman over the entire MCU even with the disappointing mediocrity that is Rises. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:928803825] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Depends. I really like comic book movies as a genre so like, Marvel 'only' having 5/10 on mine isn't really that damning cause like my top 25 movies might actually have the entirety of that top 10 in it-- definitely the top 7 at least. I think among people who are into them, it does things really well. But most movie snobs probably scoff at my movie tastes anyway so I'm not really the right guy to have this discussion with on a lot of fronts. That being said I'll still take Nolan Batman over the entire MCU even with the disappointing mediocrity that is Rises.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 10/15/19 3:55:09 PM #89:	Xeybozn posted... but I'd expect crazy dominance if we're going to argue they're among the best films overall. But.... ....who is doing this? Seems like a pretty dumb strawman to me. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:928805034] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted... </cite> <quote>but I'd expect crazy dominance if we're going to argue they're among the best films overall.</quote> But.... ....who is doing this? Seems like a pretty dumb strawman to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClyTheCool 10/15/19 3:57:03 PM #90:	Xeybozn posted... I didn't really think too hard about an actual ranking before I made that post, but I'll admit the MCU looks better than I was expecting. My guess was that most people would have about 3-5 MCU movies on such a list, but I'll also admit I'm a lot less into MCU stuff than most people. I suppose it's just that even that seems kind of disappointing considering how popular the MCU is and how there aren't really that many good comicbook movies outside the MCU. They're better than most things in their genre, but I'd expect crazy dominance if we're going to argue they're among the best films overall. So you have the top 10 movies in your genre to even be considered cinema and have artistic merit? --- Cly at Work So more power to North Korea for this one. Good show. - MWC <cite>ClyTheCool posted [p:928805111] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't really think too hard about an actual ranking before I made that post, but I'll admit the MCU looks better than I was expecting. My guess was that most people would have about 3-5 MCU movies on such a list, but I'll also admit I'm a lot less into MCU stuff than most people. I suppose it's just that even that seems kind of disappointing considering how popular the MCU is and how there aren't really that many good comicbook movies outside the MCU. They're better than most things in their genre, but I'd expect crazy dominance if we're going to argue they're among the best films overall.</quote> So you have the top 10 movies in your genre to even be considered cinema and have artistic merit?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 10/15/19 4:24:36 PM #91:	Xeybozn posted... I didn't really think too hard about an actual ranking before I made that post, but I'll admit the MCU looks better than I was expecting. My guess was that most people would have about 3-5 MCU movies on such a list, but I'll also admit I'm a lot less into MCU stuff than most people. I suppose it's just that even that seems kind of disappointing considering how popular the MCU is and how there aren't really that many good comicbook movies outside the MCU. They're better than most things in their genre, but I'd expect crazy dominance if we're going to argue they're among the best films overall. I mean, to be fair, other movies being in the top ten when it's still half/majority MCU doesn't automatically mean MCU movies are bad, it could just mean other movies are good. Like, somebody could have 6/10 MCU in their top 10 and you could say "That's not dominance." But what if their top 25 is like then 20/25 MCU Though also yeah I'm not sure where this "Among the best films overall" argument is coming from? --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:928806154] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't really think too hard about an actual ranking before I made that post, but I'll admit the MCU looks better than I was expecting. My guess was that most people would have about 3-5 MCU movies on such a list, but I'll also admit I'm a lot less into MCU stuff than most people. I suppose it's just that even that seems kind of disappointing considering how popular the MCU is and how there aren't really that many good comicbook movies outside the MCU. They're better than most things in their genre, but I'd expect crazy dominance if we're going to argue they're among the best films overall.</quote> I mean, to be fair, other movies being in the top ten when it's still half/majority MCU doesn't automatically mean MCU movies are bad, it could just mean other movies are good. Like, somebody could have 6/10 MCU in their top 10 and you could say "That's not dominance." But what if their top 25 is like then 20/25 MCU Though also yeah I'm not sure where this "Among the best films overall" argument is coming from?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 10/15/19 4:26:22 PM #92:	The better question though is why does dominance even matter? Where did this ridiculous standard come from? --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:928806225] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>The better question though is why does dominance even matter? Where did this ridiculous standard come from? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xiahou Shake 10/15/19 4:55:07 PM #93:	Too bad Shawshank Redemption doesn't have a flood of top 10 genre films placed in a dominant cinematic universe and therefore isn't a real movie --- Let the voice of love take you higher, With this gathering power, go beyond even time! <cite>Xiahou Shake posted [p:928807430] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Too bad Shawshank Redemption doesn't have a flood of top 10 genre films placed in a dominant cinematic universe and therefore isn't a real movie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ngamer64 10/15/19 5:00:13 PM #94:	MCU would easily take 7 of my 10 Best Superhero spots, and that's saying lots as I see all comic book movies. (Except the Fantastic Fours.) --- Advo bested even The Show hosts in 2018, yowza! board8.wikia.com \| thengamer.com/xstats <cite>Ngamer64 posted [p:928807620] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>MCU would easily take 7 of my 10 Best Superhero spots, and that's saying lots as I see all comic book movies. (Except the Fantastic Fours.) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroicSpiderPig 10/15/19 5:04:17 PM #95:	I notice no discussion about the best comic book movie: https://a.ltrbxd.com/resized/sm/upload/b3/fj/5k/es/t9uXmc321EzCp6uUYU3XtghjqTq-0-230-0-345-crop.jpg?k=c267561096 ;) --- Congrats on Advokaiser for winning the 2018 Guru Contest! Yesmar <cite>HeroicSpiderPig posted [p:928807778] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>I notice no discussion about the best comic book movie: https://a.ltrbxd.com/resized/sm/upload/b3/fj/5k/es/t9uXmc321EzCp6uUYU3XtghjqTq-0-230-0-345-crop.jpg?k=c267561096 ;) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 10/15/19 5:04:58 PM #96:	HeroicSpiderPig posted... I notice no discussion about the best comic book movie: https://a.ltrbxd.com/resized/sm/upload/b3/fj/5k/es/t9uXmc321EzCp6uUYU3XtghjqTq-0-230-0-345-crop.jpg?k=c267561096 ;) I was hoping this would be about the original TMNT movie (still holds up) --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:928807810] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>HeroicSpiderPig posted...</cite> <quote>I notice no discussion about the best comic book movie: https://a.ltrbxd.com/resized/sm/upload/b3/fj/5k/es/t9uXmc321EzCp6uUYU3XtghjqTq-0-230-0-345-crop.jpg?k=c267561096 ;) </quote> I was hoping this would be about the original TMNT movie (still holds up)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi1 10/15/19 5:45:05 PM #97:	MCU haters are so funny. --- PSN, and GT: Waluigi1 Switch FC: SW-6848-3841-9099 <cite>Waluigi1 posted [p:928809372] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>MCU haters are so funny.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 10/15/19 6:03:57 PM #98:	Nelson_Mandela posted... ChichiriMuyo posted... Scorsese thought he was too high-brow to do the Godfather until he had no money left for film-making. He's a hypocrite snob who can go fuck himself. Imagine how good of an MCU movie he'd make today if he was out of funding. Scorcese had nothing to do with the Godfather You're right, I had a bit too much to drink and got things mixed up. --- Advokaiser, 2018 character battle guru champ! <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:928810156] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>ChichiriMuyo posted... </cite> <quote>Scorsese thought he was too high-brow to do the Godfather until he had no money left for film-making. He's a hypocrite snob who can go fuck himself. Imagine how good of an MCU movie he'd make today if he was out of funding.</quote>Scorcese had nothing to do with the Godfather </quote> You're right, I had a bit too much to drink and got things mixed up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AxemRedRanger 10/15/19 11:19:34 PM #99:	LeonhartFour posted... I was hoping this would be about the original TMNT movie (still holds up) huh. Yeah, never thought of it like that but that would be my #1 movie based on a comic book. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] [NO Advokaiser NO PEACE] <cite>AxemRedRanger posted [p:928822887] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>LeonhartFour posted... </cite> <quote>I was hoping this would be about the original TMNT movie (still holds up)</quote>huh. Yeah, never thought of it like that but that would be my #1 movie based on a comic book. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
demonfang178 10/16/19 9:11:06 AM #100:	banananor posted... However, I can't remember the last time one posed an actual question, showed me something new, or gave me an insight about life. They just nail the tropes super solidly and then show you the door. Really? Civil War and Infinity War didn't make you ask any questions at all? <cite>demonfang178 posted [p:928834317] in Do you sid... [t:78084541]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted...</cite> <quote>However, I can't remember the last time one posed an actual question, showed me something new, or gave me an insight about life. They just nail the tropes super solidly and then show you the door. </quote> Really? Civil War and Infinity War didn't make you ask any questions at all?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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