Board 8 > 3-3 is the fucking worst

(+) Yeah! (+)

A stupid set-up that I refuse to believe for a second that even the Judge didn't see right through.

Gross, ugly characters that are hard to understand either by speaking in tongues or ridiculous accents/dialects.

Errand-running.

Penalties for pressing.

Even most of the regular crew is at/near their worst in this one, especially Gumshoe.

Say what you want about 2-3, but I never got legitimately pissed playing that one.
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Well
It's either you like the characters in the case or you don't like it at all
Also Phenix trap at the end was great

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Maybe the weakest T&T case (either that or 3-2), but still an above average case overall!
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Maybe the weakest T&T case (either that or 3-2)

3-2 is great despite the bad defendant because of Luke Atmey and Godot, plus the fact that for the first day you're under the impression that for once you're actually in a relatively low-stakes case (ie not a murder) and then the wham moment at the end of the day.

3-3 is easily the worst case in the original trilogy. 4-2 is pretty bad, that might give it a run for its money when I get there.
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3-3 is the worst case in the entire series yes

3-2 pretty good though
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Maybe the weakest T&T case (either that or 3-2), but still an above average case overall!

3-2 is worse. It suffers from lack of character variety. You spend the whole trial questioning the same guy over and over.

Still a good case though, which says a lot about AA3.

1-3 is worse.

I mean, it's convoluted as hell and the killer is blatantly obvious when she's the only one who sees the giant robot.
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Yeah, 3-3 was incredibly stupid. Not just the imposter thing, but that whole business with the mirror was dumb and made so little sense.

Worst in the series is easily 4-2 though.
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wow so many bad opinions here

well except for the "4-2 is terrible" ones
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2-3 is the one with the fucking clown in it. Of course it's the worst. At least 1-5 (which has all those food and lunch Puns GAHFUCKYOU), was optional.

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Kinda thought (and hoped) this topic was about RE4 hyuk

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Kinda thought (and hoped) this topic was about RE4 hyuk

I came in thinking of Super Mario Brothers
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4-2 isn't even the worst case in it's own game.

(It wins word defendant in the series though easily)
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4-2 has the worst defendant as well as the worst character period (Stickler). At least in 3-3 only Armstrong is THAT bad (Kudo and Tigre are bad but not bottom 5 bad).
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Inviso posted...

1-3 is worse.

I mean, it's convoluted as hell and the killer is blatantly obvious when she's the only one who sees the giant robot.

The worst thing about 1-3 is that the case goes to day 3 despite Powers being proven innocent on day 2, but that's the wacky world of Ace Attorney for you - it's not enough to just prove your client innocent, you also have to prove the real killer guilty.

Oh, and Sal Manella, but he isn't in it for that long.

Otherwise 1-3 isn't bad.
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there are zero bad cases in the OT, merely some that are less good
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Underleveled posted...

Inviso posted...

1-3 is worse.

I mean, it's convoluted as hell and the killer is blatantly obvious when she's the only one who sees the giant robot.

The worst thing about 1-3 is that the case goes to day 3 despite Powers being proven innocent on day 2, but that's the wacky world of Ace Attorney for you - it's not enough to just prove your client innocent, you also have to prove the real killer guilty.

Oh, and Sal Manella, but he isn't in it for that long.

Otherwise 1-3 isn't bad.

woosh
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You spelled 2-3 wrong.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Kinda thought (and hoped) this topic was about RE4 hyuk

Same
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3-3 is fine. If you can't suspend your disbelief for the setup in a series that features a testifying parrot, you should play a different game
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KingButz posted...

I came in thinking of Super Mario Brothers

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NFUN posted...

3-3 is fine. If you can't suspend your disbelief for the setup in a series that features a testifying parrot, you should play a different game

3-3 requires so much suspension of disbelief in so many directions that it makes 3-5 look normal.

Then you add on terrible characters (Jean easily being among the worst in the series), Maggey being insufferable, and Gumshoe at one of his lowest points.

Also we've had a Parrot in court in real life that's not exactly the answer you want to make your case with.

3-3 doesn't have any redeeming qualities at all to go with being a cesspool from every direction.
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3-3 is literally the best 3rd case in the OT, and by a fairly decent margin at that. The best thing the anime did was massively improve both 1-3 and 2-3.

Also I'll take Armstrong over Kudo all day, but I can see why others wouldn't agree.
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2-3 Is the worst because it was SO long winded, full of even MORE back and forths, and nobody actually being funny despite being in a circus

I know a murder just happened but they were still TRYING and failing
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3-3 has Viola Cadaverini which is enough to make it not worst

Agree 2-3 is worst. Only AA case I really struggled to get through.
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Off the top of my head I'd say 4-4 is the worst. No other case makes you take a close look at Spark Brushel's sweaty armpits
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3-3 is awful, Tigre is fun and Viola is great. literally every other character involved in that case can fuck off.
the contradiction where kudo's testimony is thrown out because he doesn't remember which hand was used to pick up a tea cup 3 fucking months ago had me fuming when first playing.

hombad46 posted...

Off the top of my head I'd say 4-4 is the worst. No other case makes you take a close look at Spark Brushel's sweaty armpits

4 is just not a great game in general. The frigging tutorial might be the best case.
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Lopen posted...

3-3 has Viola Cadaverini which is enough to make it not worst

I'll admit Viola is pretty great but even she can't save it.
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4-2 has noodle harmonica which makes it not the worst.
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I misread this as 3-13 and thought this was a reference to fire emblem radiant dawn.
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3-3 is arguably the worst AA3 case, but far superior to 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, and 2-3.

the cast on day 1 is rough though, agreed
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2-3 is worse because of the annoying character gimmicks, errand-running, and ridiculous murder.

3-3 is still pretty bad for many of the same reasons and I didn't believe that El Tigre could legitimately pose as Phoenix for a second.

3-2 is amazing, wtf are people talking about?

People still think 4 happened? I've written it off as non-canon.
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malyg posted...

the contradiction where kudo's testimony is thrown out because he doesn't remember which hand was used to pick up a tea cup 3 fucking months ago had me fuming when first playing.

I mean you might have just phased out through section then, because that wasn't really a detail in and of itself that mattered.

He hadn't seen the waitress's face, didn't remember where he was sitting at that time, claimed that the victim was wearing his HMD and the radio on his left ear - which was deaf and undergoing medication - and testified that the victim had broken a vase on his table as he died before realizing that he had done that himself.

It wasn't just one thing that was a problem. Sure you find out later it's because he witnessed a staged event and not the actual murder, but that isn't clear at the time.

Underleveled posted...

4 is just not a great game in general. The frigging tutorial might be the best case.

4-1 is a top tier case, though. The rest of the game was not great for sure, but they could have been much better cases and still not been as good.
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I actually think 4-2 is a fine case in retrospect...if you don't take it seriously at all. It generally succeeds at what it is trying to do, even though it's overly goofy even for the series.

Far better than the actual worst (non-tutorial) case, 2-3, which fails on every possible level! Bad cast, mostly unfunny humor, lame murder, bad villain, and to top it all of is inexplicably Franziska's send-off case as a prosecutor in AA2. 3-3 is just mediocre by comparison.
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4-2 contains the worst investigation day in the series and it's not even close. I dread it every single time I play it.
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3-4 is pretty boring in the first half, then turns into complete nonsense in the second half, AND the victim was great and deserved better.
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Espeon posted...

3-4 is pretty boring in the first half, then turns into complete nonsense in the second half, AND the victim was great and deserved better.

Wow somehow your AA opinions are worse than your FF opinions.
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Leonhart4 posted...

Espeon posted...

3-4 is pretty boring in the first half, then turns into complete nonsense in the second half, AND the victim was great and deserved better.

Wow somehow your AA opinions are worse than your FF opinions.

I'm not sure he's even talking about the right case, because 3-4 has a victim we never meet and is single-day trial-only like an intro case.
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Leonhart4 posted...

4-2 contains the worst investigation day in the series and it's not even close. I dread it every single time I play it.

That's kind of what I mean, for me on a replay it was nowhere near as bad as the first time knowing what it was in advance. It's just...really stupid! But fine.
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I'm pretty sure I took like a six month break in the middle of 4-2. I was like "You know, I'm probably over this series".
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3-3, meanwhile, is pretty fun. You have the cast dividing, and the cult formation is genuinely unsettling.
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kevwaffles posted...

Leonhart4 posted...

Espeon posted...

3-4 is pretty boring in the first half, then turns into complete nonsense in the second half, AND the victim was great and deserved better.

Wow somehow your AA opinions are worse than your FF opinions.

I'm not sure he's even talking about the right case, because 3-4 has a victim we never meet and is single-day trial-only like an intro case.

He must be thinking about 2-2.
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Espeon posted...

3-3, meanwhile, is pretty fun. You have the cast dividing, and the cult formation is genuinely unsettling.

Okay now I'm not sure you're even talking about the right series.
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Inviso is talking about Danganronpa, for those who still don't get it
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I mean I haven't played V3 yet so
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Ya know I might have caught onto that if we didn't put always put on "V" in those case numberings.
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Leonhart4 posted...

4-2 contains the worst investigation day in the series and it's not even close. I dread it every single time I play it.

That's kind of what I mean, for me on a replay it was nowhere near as bad as the first time knowing what it was in advance. It's just...really stupid! But fine.

I know what I'm getting into, but man, that first day feels so utterly pointless and playing errand boy is zero fun at all.
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Normally I hate characters with French accents, but Jean Armstrong is so hilarious that I overlooked it for once. Victor Kudo is the one I could do without, though.
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