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PIITB415
09/03/19 9:02:15 PM
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au_gold
09/03/19 9:02:43 PM
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Factually wrong.
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PIITB415
09/03/19 9:04:00 PM
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au_gold posted...
Factually wrong.


Imagine actually having this opinion. Your favorite Indiana Jones film is with Shia le whatever isn't it?
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joe40001
09/03/19 9:05:47 PM
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It's at least better than any other in the disney era
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TheAnthraxBunny
09/03/19 9:06:41 PM
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Rogue One took everything bad about the franchise and cut it out and took everything good about the franchise and turned it up to 11. The original trilogy is still better though.
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PIITB415
09/03/19 9:25:26 PM
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TheAnthraxBunny posted...
Rogue One took everything bad about the franchise and cut it out and took everything good about the franchise and turned it up to 11. The original trilogy is still better though.


As a solo film it is the strongest. It's sad the originals need a trilogy to compete
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au_gold
09/03/19 9:26:42 PM
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TheAnthraxBunny posted...
Rogue One took everything bad about the franchise and cut it out

They even cut out the character development.
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The X Dawg
09/03/19 9:26:56 PM
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I mean, outside of the OT, it is the bee's knees. Might take it over A New Hope.
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SomeLikeItHoth
09/03/19 9:28:00 PM
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Solo was way better.
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Zack_Attackv1
09/03/19 9:29:06 PM
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lol at actually believing that.
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Behaviorism
09/03/19 9:31:09 PM
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Loved Rogue One. Best Star Wars after Empire

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Tired-Insomniac
09/03/19 9:31:18 PM
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It's the best prequel for sure
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Southernfatman
09/03/19 9:34:02 PM
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ATSTs! ATSTs!

Recognize thing!? Remember character!? I'm glad I can finally take Star Wars seriously now!

For real, that's what RO seemed to me. A movie made so fanboys can ruin their underpants. Nothing really appealed to me. The story didn't need to be told and the characters (if you can call them that) were boring and not memorable.
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meralonne
09/03/19 9:36:11 PM
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I mean, its good and all... but better than all other Star Wars movies?


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Tired-Insomniac
09/03/19 9:39:03 PM
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RedWhiteBlue posted...
The only thing that I'd have done to make the movie better is ramp up the force. Give it more showtime than just I AM ONE WITH THE FORCE AND THE FORCE IS WITH Me and the ending (which was fucking phenomenal).

It's probably a top 3 Star Wars movie for me.


There's one thing that IMO would have made it about 100x better

Completely cut Vader out of the movie, up until the hallway scene. Mention his name in passing once or twice, but don't show him at all until that lightsaber ignited in the dark
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09/03/19 9:41:22 PM
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I Like Toast
09/03/19 9:41:27 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
The story didn't need to be told
No that's solo

Southernfatman posted...
and the characters (if you can call them that) were boring and not memorable.


I am one with the force ,the force is one with me.

Also mads mikkelsen is not forgettable in anything he does.

The droid was also the best comic relief droid, much better than c3p0
Southernfatman posted...
For real, that's what RO seemed to me. A movie made so fanboys can ruin their underpants.


And that's tfa + slave leia in rtj

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billcom6
09/03/19 9:43:39 PM
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Rouge One is my favorite and it's not even close really.
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Touch
09/03/19 9:45:01 PM
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When's Rogue Two
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UnholyMudcrab
09/03/19 9:46:44 PM
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The last 45 minutes are good, but the rest of the movie is pretty dull.
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au_gold
09/03/19 9:51:07 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
Also mads mikkelsen is not forgettable in anything he does.

His character was very forgettable.
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I Like Toast
09/03/19 9:52:39 PM
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au_gold posted...
His character was very forgettable.


Spoken like a pleb

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Hexenherz
09/03/19 9:52:42 PM
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BlueBoy675 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRm0WssOE" data-time="


I'll never get tired of that rofl
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au_gold
09/03/19 9:54:19 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
au_gold posted...
His character was very forgettable.


Spoken like a pleb

He was literally a plot device and nothing more.
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tullock
09/03/19 9:54:29 PM
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Tired-Insomniac posted...
RedWhiteBlue posted...
The only thing that I'd have done to make the movie better is ramp up the force. Give it more showtime than just I AM ONE WITH THE FORCE AND THE FORCE IS WITH Me and the ending (which was fucking phenomenal).

It's probably a top 3 Star Wars movie for me.


There's one thing that IMO would have made it about 100x better

Completely cut Vader out of the movie, up until the hallway scene. Mention his name in passing once or twice, but don't show him at all until that lightsaber ignited in the dark


His scene at the end was so fucking good.
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boxington
09/03/19 9:58:40 PM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Solo was way better.


and while I don't feel strongly about Rogue One in any way, I agree with this:

The droid was also the best comic relief droid, much better than c3p0

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ledbowman
09/03/19 10:06:27 PM
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Rogue One is so tedious. Only Solo is worse
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Skye Reynolds
09/03/19 10:09:58 PM
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It ruined the series in its current incarnation because of how much better Jyn is than Rey.

Why would you kill off a good protagonist and give us multiple films of a bland one who has everything handed to her? If they can retcon Darth Maul, they can retcon the ending of Rogue One as well.
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PIITB415
09/03/19 10:14:53 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
It ruined the series in its current incarnation because of how much better Jyn is than Rey.

Why would you kill off a good protagonist and give us multiple films of a bland one who has everything handed to her? If they can retcon Darth Maul, they can retcon the ending of Rogue One as well.


This 100% Rey is garbage
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Southernfatman
09/03/19 10:32:39 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
No that's solo


It's both.

I Like Toast posted...
I am one with the force ,the force is one with me.

Also mads mikkelsen is not forgettable in anything he does.

The droid was also the best comic relief droid, much better than c3p0


Only kind of remember that line, but only because you mentioned it.
You're generally right about MM, but he is forgettable here to me.
In terms of comic relief droids, CP30 is a low bar.

I Like Toast posted...
And that's tfa + slave leia in rtj


You're right, but I won't complain about that last one.

BlueBoy675 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRm0WssOE" data-time="



I clapped when I saw this video! I know what that is! Seriously, they nailed it.
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BLAKUboy
09/03/19 10:34:21 PM
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I go back and forth whether ESB or RO are my favorite.
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HerpToTheDerp
09/03/19 10:37:18 PM
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au_gold posted...
Factually wrong.
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ledbowman
09/03/19 10:39:46 PM
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RO is literally just a technical exercise
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joe40001
09/04/19 4:10:21 AM
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au_gold posted...
TheAnthraxBunny posted...
Rogue One took everything bad about the franchise and cut it out

They even cut out the character development.


It had great character development, it just wasn't super in your face about it.
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MabusIncarnate
09/04/19 4:19:16 AM
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Rogue One was legitimately fantastic, I feel like even with the praise it's underrated. I can't put it in front of the original trilogy, but it's probably my favorite thereafter.

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au_gold
09/04/19 4:21:35 AM
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joe40001 posted...
au_gold posted...
TheAnthraxBunny posted...
Rogue One took everything bad about the franchise and cut it out

They even cut out the character development.


It had great character development, it just wasn't super in your face about it.

It really didnt, but Id love to hear your case for it.
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joe40001
09/04/19 4:36:13 AM
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au_gold posted...
joe40001 posted...
au_gold posted...
TheAnthraxBunny posted...
Rogue One took everything bad about the franchise and cut it out

They even cut out the character development.


It had great character development, it just wasn't super in your face about it.

It really didnt, but Id love to hear your case for it.


Take Jyn, lots of people site how nothing she is in the first conference room as evidence for lack of character, but the fact that she is basically a passive nothing in the first coference room scene and then she's making a case for action in the second one was a pretty clear example for the audience of "hey this character is different now"

It's like people wanted her to cartoonishly emote like rey does before they noticed her character.

The characters are more realistic than lots of star wars characters and so because their expressiveness isn't turned up to 11 some people didn't see it, but basically every character goes from some sort of conformity or cynicism to rebellion and optimism.

It's hope in the face of bad odds, and not the BS bad odds that the OT deals with where luck saves the day, no this time when the robot says There is a ninety-seven point six percent chance of failure." the percentages matter.

Not everybody can be han solo and luke skywaker, there is a whole universe of people who aren't protected by plot armor whose desperate plays will likely get them killed, and since the stakes are real for those people their commitment to try in the face of that is IMO so much more compelling and impressive.
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au_gold
09/04/19 5:04:37 AM
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You didnt give a single example of character development. Everyone dying at the end is not character development.
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joe40001
09/04/19 5:13:57 AM
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au_gold posted...
You didnt give a single example of character development. Everyone dying at the end is not character development.


Did you read what I wrote? Jfc

I can but it in dumb-dumb terms:
Jyn was timid DEN SHE GOT BRAVE
Cassian was cynic bad man DEN HE GOT HOPE AND GOOD HEART
Baze didn't have faith DEN HE GOT SOME
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au_gold
09/04/19 5:34:16 AM
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You act condescending, yet none of that was in your previous post. And thats preschool-level development at best.

Besides, when was Jyn shown to be timid? From what I remember, she took charge almost immediately.
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ALIEN_WORK2HOP
09/04/19 5:36:51 AM
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only thing that makes it good is it's similarities in designs and such to the OT.

everything else is pretty lame
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joe40001
09/04/19 6:05:16 AM
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au_gold posted...
You act condescending, yet none of that was in your previous post. And thats preschool-level development at best.

Besides, when was Jyn shown to be timid? From what I remember, she took charge almost immediately.


It was in my previous post. And there is nothing intellectually rigorous about you dismissing character development you didn't like and supporting the ones you did.

Prove to me, using whatever apparent standards I am failing with in your metric, of Rey's character development.

I pretty much guarantee that you can't construct evidence for her character arc in a way that is can't be just as easily shurgged off as "preschool level at best".

When will people learn that flippant dismissiveness is not an argument?
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au_gold
09/04/19 6:24:15 AM
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I never said Rey has character development. Straw man argument, etc.

It sounds like youre making excuses for a movie you like. Which is fine, I like Rogue One too, but none of the characters are interesting and none of them have arcs. When the droid is more compelling than the human characters, you know theres a problem.
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Jiek_Fafn
09/04/19 6:30:32 AM
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It reminded me of a mcu movie with a different skin. Darth Vader in the hallway may be my favorite scene in the franchise though.
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joe40001
09/04/19 6:33:39 AM
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au_gold posted...
I never said Rey has character development. Straw man argument, etc.

It sounds like youre making excuses for a movie you like. Which is fine, I like Rogue One too, but none of the characters are interesting and none of them have arcs. When the droid is more compelling than the human characters, you know theres a problem.


Straw manning is me making a bad and knowingly false characterization of your argument, since you were critical of Rogue one's character development it made seen for me to assume you thought the character development in at least some of the other modern star wars movies.

So you don't think Rogue One has character development. But that's not much of a criticism if you don't think any modern star wars movie does.
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