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karlpilkington4
08/30/19 12:54:44 PM
#103:


Conflict posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
However when you enter a volatile environment like a hospital, with random people coming in and out, who have varying degrees of mental stability, you should know what the realities of the situation are before ever accepting the job.


Cool.

This isn't what the topic is about


Sick and tired of being assaulted by patients


Right...
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Shablagoo
08/30/19 12:57:23 PM
#106:


Conflict posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
However when you enter a volatile environment like a hospital, with random people coming in and out, who have varying degrees of mental stability, you should know what the realities of the situation are before ever accepting the job.


Cool.

This isn't what the topic is about (and you'd notice that if you bothered to read past the first paragraph), so your entire post is completely useless. Congrats on typing up a whole bunch of nothing

lol rekt

EverDownward posted...
Shablagoo posted...
Ah, fair. Ive only done one major hospital stay, I was there last year for a week. After the first couple days I think I started being on the verge of tears when Id get woken up; it was so damn exhausting.

Damn, that sucks. Sorry you had such a shit experience in that regard. I'm in and out all the time, so disgustingly the hospital has kind of become like a second home to me. I used to haaaaate the idea of being admitted, but nowadays I actually bizarrely look forward to it.


Oof, can I ask why you are in-and-out so much nowadays?

And yeah Im with you, despite the sleep thing it was a very positive stay overall. I even tried to stay longer but my doctor said no lol >.>
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Shablagoo
08/30/19 12:58:17 PM
#107:


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Have you figured it out now?


karl is apparently unaware that topic titles have a limit of 80 characters.
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Starmieketone
08/30/19 12:58:28 PM
#108:


I understand your plight entirely. I decided to find an occupation other than teaching after an eighth grader well and truly violated my personal space. He imposed his face a mere two inches from mine and waved his arms about.

To add insult to implied injury, he even made "Bloo-blagh-blargh-blah" noises.

Despite the training I received from my father in the pugilistic arts, I acquiesced to my better nature and simply spoke to him in a measured tone. (All the while thinking of other occupations my genius would be well suited to.)
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karlpilkington4
08/30/19 12:59:19 PM
#110:


Conflict posted...
Have you figured it out now?


Have I figured out the topic title is the main part of the topic? Yes.

You can continue to ramble about what ever the heck it is your rambling about though.
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karlpilkington4
08/30/19 1:00:57 PM
#112:


Shablagoo posted...
Conflict posted...
Have you figured it out now?


karl is apparently unaware that topic titles have a limit of 80 characters.


Im aware that if you dont like your job, and the conditions of it, you're free to go somewhere else. The main part of a hospital job is dealing with patients and the rules around them.

jfc.
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karlpilkington4
08/30/19 1:01:25 PM
#113:


Conflict posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Conflict posted...
Have you figured it out now?


No, because I'm illiterate


Got it. Should've said that from the beginning


Marked for trolling.
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EverDownward
08/30/19 1:02:00 PM
#114:


Shablagoo posted...
Oof, can I ask why you are in-and-out so much nowadays?

Stage IV colon cancer patient, so I'm in a lot for various metastatic issues in regards to the cancer spreading to my lungs and liver, and mostly for pain management. There's been a number of visits where the goal was to get me through an acute bout of pain and every other hour I'd be pumped full of dilaudid through my port-a-cath.

In retrospect, the pain medicine is also probably why I sleep as well as I do in the hospital.

Shablagoo posted...
And yeah Im with you, despite the sleep thing it was a very positive stay overall. I even tried to stay longer but my doctor said no lol >.>

I know this feeling all too well. I've never outright asked "can I stay longer?" but I always want to because...well...the hospital is just so nice. Between knowing I'll be taken care of, knowing I'm in as safe a place I can be in, and getting to talk with people other than just my mom it's honestly kind of depressing when I'm discharged.
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karlpilkington4
08/30/19 1:04:51 PM
#116:


Conflict posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Conflict posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Conflict posted...
Have you figured it out now?


No, because I'm illiterate


Got it. Should've said that from the beginning


Marked for trolling.


"Trolling" isn't even one of the report options anymore. More proof


This is rich coming from the guy who said the topic title isnt what this topic is about. LOL
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fan357
08/30/19 1:06:50 PM
#117:


Paramedics should be allowed to carry guns.

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LividDK
08/30/19 1:15:14 PM
#119:


"My house is on fire! Someone call the fire brigade!"
"No. You should just move out."
"What? But it's my home! I've lived here for years, put so much time and effort in to it!"
"You knew it could catch fire when you moved in. Why would you want to live in a house that could catch fire?"
"Could we not do something about the problem I'm having right now?"
"No, move out or stop whining."
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StealthRock
08/30/19 1:16:07 PM
#120:


karlpilkington4 posted...
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karlpilkington4 posted...
Conflict posted...
rexcrk posted...
Cant believe so many are attacking the guy who said to get a different job.

Sometimes, thats how it is. I dont like my current job much anymore so Im getting an education and (hopefully) leaving when Im done next year.

I thought that was what people generally did when they dont like their job. \_()_/


Probably because it's a very stupid response and reeks of obtuseness


It's not stupid at all. Thats part of the job. Its unfortunate. But its pretty simple to understand.


It's also pretty simple to understand that that doesn't justify employees not being able to defend themselves from clearly dangerous situations.

"It's part of the job" is such a stupid response. As if no work procedure in the entire world has ever changed as a result of shitty things happening


I'm talking about the topic title, and not the procedures of the hospital. If you're being attacked and you push someone off of you, you shouldn't be suspended. However when you enter a volatile environment like a hospital, with random people coming in and out, who have varying degrees of mental stability, you should know what the realities of the situation are before ever accepting the job. Should you have to deal with crazy, violent people at work? No. But I'm sure cops would love to not deal with criminals who shoot at them too.

Good thing cops can shoot back though huh?
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karlpilkington4
08/30/19 1:18:38 PM
#122:


Conflict posted...
LividDK posted...
"My house is on fire! Someone call the fire brigade!"
"No. You should just move out."
"What? But it's my home! I've lived here for years, put so much time and effort in to it!"
"You knew it could catch fire when you moved in. Why would you want to live in a house that could catch fire?"
"Could we not do something about the problem I'm having right now?"
"No, move out or stop whining."


Pretty much


Literally not the same thing at all. A house shouldn't be catching on fire and there is an easy solution (firefighter/rebuild). A hospitals sole job is to deal with varying levels of people coming in and out constantly.

Not that you'll respond to this in an honest way.
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-Ghetsis-
08/30/19 1:22:00 PM
#125:


Fam_Fam posted...
then get a different job if you don't like the conditions of your current one?


yes because no one is allowed to complain about any conditions under any circumstances

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karlpilkington4
08/30/19 1:23:38 PM
#126:


-Ghetsis- posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
then get a different job if you don't like the conditions of your current one?


yes because no one is allowed to complain about any conditions under any circumstances


One doesn't do much of anything, the other literally solves the problem.
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DifferentialEquation
08/30/19 2:06:21 PM
#128:


To what extent are they assaulting you? Are you allowed to conceal carry at work?
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SailorGoon
08/30/19 2:10:00 PM
#129:


-Ghetsis- posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
then get a different job if you don't like the conditions of your current one?


yes because no one is allowed to complain about any conditions under any circumstances

I mean, she can, but it's hard for me to feel sorry for her when it's an issue that's prevalent in this field and many others. It's not like she's the only one that has to deal with it. Again, I don't know her situation so it might be tactless of me to take this position, but she made it seem like these risks and concerns were previously disclosed to her since she received some type of de-escalation training. Others deal with much worse more frequently and get paid much less. It would be nice not to be assaulted, duh. I'm sure many other people share the same sentiment. Especially those in behavioral therapy and special education. However, this isn't a perfect world. These issues will continue to persist and the only thing we can control is how we deal with them and, to a certain extent, if we deal with them.
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CarrieChan
08/30/19 2:14:51 PM
#130:


Conflict living up to his name, by stirring up conflict.
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Dark_SilverX
08/30/19 3:19:39 PM
#132:


Fam_Fam posted...
then get a different job if you don't like the conditions of your current one?

This. Quit now, fuck bills and live the dream until a better job opens up.
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DrizztLink
08/30/19 3:26:34 PM
#133:


Jagr_68 posted...
I never actually thought of this angle, like us getting a dispatch call is basically in the same ballpark as waiting for fucking Amazon to deliver their order of cat litter >_______>

"Thanks for the narcan, now go fuck yoself!"
I saw a video where a guy was obviously ODing outside a store and the EMT administered Narcan.

The guy looked around, got up, screamed "YOU FUCKED UP MY HIGH, BRO!" and kicked the EMT in the balls.

The people around him were about to kick his shit in.

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rexcrk
08/31/19 7:08:53 PM
#134:


fenderbender321 posted...
Conflict posted...
LividDK posted...
"My house is on fire! Someone call the fire brigade!"
"No. You should just move out."
"What? But it's my home! I've lived here for years, put so much time and effort in to it!"
"You knew it could catch fire when you moved in. Why would you want to live in a house that could catch fire?"
"Could we not do something about the problem I'm having right now?"
"No, move out or stop whining."


Pretty much


You guys seem to be ganging up on karl for a comment he made that I see routinely made in almost every topic where somebody is complaining about their job, girlfriend, living situation, etc....

Yeah I thought get a new job was the standard response.

But TC is a girl? That would explain why people are defending her so much lol.

If I made a topic talking about how much I hate dealing with idiotic rude customers all day, I have no doubt that the majority of people would be all get a new job, bro.
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AngelSeven
08/31/19 7:12:48 PM
#135:


Highwind07 posted...
In Darkroast's case she is an MD so it is just so much harder for her to just pack up and leave a job or to change careers.

No, it's not.
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AngelSeven
08/31/19 7:13:14 PM
#136:


Is DarkRoast basically a CE MD?
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TheGleamEyes
08/31/19 7:45:04 PM
#137:


Funny, in the topic where the Las Vegas cop who got to the scene first but was too scared to confront the gunman, the most common response was in the vein of "It's part of his job (to go up against a man with a rifle armed only with a pistol), if he didn't want to do it, then he should find a new job".

Yet apparently TC's case is different? (it's not). Fact is, it's part of your job.

Perhaps the rest of you who came with that conclusion in that cop topic should be consistent.
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AngelSeven
08/31/19 7:53:30 PM
#138:


TheGleamEyes posted...
Funny, in the topic where the Las Vegas cop who got to the scene first but was too scared to confront the gunman, the most common response was in the vein of "It's part of his job (to go up against a man with a rifle armed only with a pistol), if he didn't want to do it, then he should find a new job".

Yet apparently TC's case is different? (it's not). Fact is, it's part of your job.

Perhaps the rest of you who came with that conclusion in that cop topic should be consistent.

The problem is that people who work in medicine don't get enough psychiatry experience. They don't use proper techniques de-escalate patients and they don't assess for risk of violence as well as they should. This has been a growing problem in healthcare especially in the ER where a lot of homeless patients with psychiatric problems end up. I agree that it's part of the job and health professionals who don't work in psychiatry should be better trained on how to handle aggressive patients.
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Notti
09/02/19 10:29:45 PM
#139:


Highwind07 posted...
Notti posted...
_Matchabuu_ posted...
ScazarMeltex posted...
If a dude manages to punch you in the face can you sue the hospital for failing to provide a safr work environment?


Hahahahahahaha no

I feel your pain TC. part of why i am trying to switch to peds.... they cant kick and bite and punch as hard haha


Patients are biting the staff...

What kind of crazy person bites the nurse.


You'll be surprised.

Patients have been known to assault CNAs and nurses alike. It is not uncommon to hear people being scratched, spat on, punched, etc.

The worst case that I have heard was someone that was willingingly trying to spread his HIV by pulling out an IV and spraying his blood everywhere.


O_O

When I was younger I considered becoming a doctor for a bit, but other peoples fluids were something I felt I didn't want to deal with.... and... That story makes me want to close my browser. Perfect nope.
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thronedfire2
09/03/19 12:01:10 AM
#140:


are the people saying 'get a new job' really expecting her to just switch careers after going to medical school?

this isn't an isolated thing, it happens in every healthcare setting
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DifferentialEquation
09/03/19 9:58:52 AM
#141:


Conflict posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
To what extent are they assaulting you? Are you allowed to conceal carry at work?


Lmfao


TC is a doctor. If she's capable of finishing medical school then she's capable of learning how to properly use a firearm.
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pogo_rabid
09/03/19 10:03:25 AM
#142:


DarkRoast posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
then get a different job if you don't like the conditions of your current one?


Seriously?


What's the issue? I changed careers in my mid 20's. Used to build out the helicopter skins for a defense contractor. Hated the work, hated the commute, didn't like my coworkers.

Instead of bitching and complaining (well I did that as well), I worked hard and got my certifications, and now i'm a network admin at a biotech company.
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DarkRoast
09/03/19 10:06:45 AM
#143:


DifferentialEquation posted...
Conflict posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
To what extent are they assaulting you? Are you allowed to conceal carry at work?


Lmfao


TC is a doctor. If she's capable of finishing medical school then she's capable of learning how to properly use a firearm.


Is this satire

I can't tell anymore
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Alpha218
09/03/19 10:23:33 AM
#144:


Do no harm

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bestknicksfan
09/04/19 7:55:47 AM
#145:


Its terrible from a societal perspective for a doctor to change careers after occupying a seat in med school and residency. Thats just one less doctor that will never be replaced

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VTBM
09/04/19 8:30:17 AM
#146:


So according to some of you, we can all just violently and sexually harass hospital workers just because "it's expected" and they can't do anything about it?
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008Zulu
09/04/19 8:36:52 AM
#147:


Does the hospital, or facility, you are employed at not have a policy where you can request a security presence for patients with a history of abusive behaviour? I used to do security for a group welfare home, and there was a list of residents staff were not allowed to be left alone with due to the high risk.
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MrPeppers
09/04/19 10:44:25 AM
#148:


008Zulu posted...
Does the hospital, or facility, you are employed at not have a policy where you can request a security presence for patients with a history of abusive behaviour? I used to do security for a group welfare home, and there was a list of residents staff were not allowed to be left alone with due to the high risk.


Other than the frequent flyers in the ED, its hard to predict in the emergency room at least. Maybe on the wards but even then, you risk harassment on the first handful of days if they arent well known to the hospital.

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KILBOTz
09/04/19 11:03:35 AM
#149:


DarkRoast posted...
We're taught to de-escalate and blah blah blah, but let's be honest here, it's unacceptable that it's your job on the line just for defending yourself.


Employers have a duty to provide a safe work environment for employees. Sexual harassment and sexual assault by patients is still harassment/assault. Start documenting the cases, bring this to your supervisor's attention and escalate to HR. If they don't make systemic changes to address this, get a lawyer and sue.
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FFT-Fan
09/04/19 11:34:04 AM
#150:


KILBOTz posted...
Start documenting the cases, bring this to your supervisor's attention and escalate to HR

I feel this will just get them let go via At-Will Employment.
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Dyinglegacy
09/04/19 11:36:59 AM
#151:


Grope them back. By the testicles

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KILBOTz
09/04/19 11:37:48 AM
#152:


FFT-Fan posted...
KILBOTz posted...
Start documenting the cases, bring this to your supervisor's attention and escalate to HR

I feel this will just get them let go via At-Will Employment.


That would be retaliatory action and he would have an open and shut case if he was fired after showing documentation related to systemic harassment.
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