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Mead
08/28/19 9:33:51 AM
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promising to pardon individuals for any laws broken outside of imminent domain or construction on private land

https://wapo.st/2Pfxzkz

To think that republicans used to be the party of small government and the rule of law

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Phantom_Nook
08/28/19 9:43:09 AM
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Oh, they'll still claim to be for rule of law while completely ignoring this.
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Yellow
08/28/19 9:44:56 AM
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Is it me or does he seem to be getting more Trumpy lately?
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Mead
08/28/19 9:56:52 AM
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Yellow posted...
Is it me or does he seem to be getting more Trumpy lately?


He is seriously getting worse every week

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rjsilverthorn
08/28/19 9:58:16 AM
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Of course he can only pardon for federal offenses and most of those crimes would probably be at the state level.
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SunWuKung420
08/28/19 10:08:17 AM
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I guess the dictatorship is starting.
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Mead
08/28/19 10:11:36 AM
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Hes been consistently pushing nationalism and autocratic ideals since he took office

Anyone that thinks that will turn out well for the US needs to open up a history book

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redline65
08/28/19 10:32:44 AM
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Got to build that wall. Hell, they take peoples homes to build sports stadiums in this country. That should generate more outrage than this, IMO.
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Peterass
08/28/19 10:34:15 AM
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Good. I think we should invade mexico too and make it part of the US. illegal immigration solved
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OhhhJa
08/28/19 10:41:12 AM
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Peterass posted...
Good. I think we should invade mexico too and make it part of the US. illegal immigration solved

Yeah but trump isnt involved with that so it's ok. Stadiums are more important than border security. No border, no walls, no usa at all!
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SunWuKung420
08/28/19 10:53:52 AM
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Peterass posted...
Good. I think we should invade mexico too and make it part of the US. illegal immigration solved


More violence isn't the solution.
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BeerOnTap
08/28/19 11:01:40 AM
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One former aide (aka anonymous source) said.

It also has another person in the article saying that he was only joking.

Could it be WaPo is taking this out of context just a tad?
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Mead
08/28/19 11:04:23 AM
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He doesnt tell jokes, hes already the punchline of so many he doesnt need to

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dvdjedi
08/28/19 11:11:25 AM
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Truths about Trump:
The billionaire who hides his tax returns.
The genius who hides his college grades.
The businessman who bankrupted 3 casinos and lost over $1B in 10 years.
The playboy who pays for sex.
The Christian who doesnt go to church.
The philanthropist who defrauds charity.
The patriot who dodged the draft.
The innocent man who refuses to testify.

Trump Translator:
"Many People have told me" = Voices in my head and fictional people have complimented me
"A lot of people don't know" = I just learned something most people already knew
"Believe me" = I just lied
"In Fact" = I'm about to lie
"He's a great guy" = I will deny ever knowing this person after they begin to tell the truth about me
"MAGA" = Making my pockets fatter off the American tax payers
"Nobody knew" = Everyone knew except me
"Huge" = moderate to below average in size
"Loser" = someone who makes me feel inferior due to their talent or accomplishments
"Policy Briefing" = Turning on Fox News
"Liar" = Someone telling the truth about me
"Fake News" = Real news
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OhhhJa
08/28/19 11:19:13 AM
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dvdjedi posted...
Truths about Trump:
The billionaire who hides his tax returns.
The genius who hides his college grades.
The businessman who bankrupted 3 casinos and lost over $1B in 10 years.
The playboy who pays for sex.
The Christian who doesnt go to church.
The philanthropist who defrauds charity.
The patriot who dodged the draft.
The innocent man who refuses to testify.

Trump Translator:
"Many People have told me" = Voices in my head and fictional people have complimented me
"A lot of people don't know" = I just learned something most people already knew
"Believe me" = I just lied
"In Fact" = I'm about to lie
"He's a great guy" = I will deny ever knowing this person after they begin to tell the truth about me
"MAGA" = Making my pockets fatter off the American tax payers
"Nobody knew" = Everyone knew except me
"Huge" = moderate to below average in size
"Loser" = someone who makes me feel inferior due to their talent or accomplishments
"Policy Briefing" = Turning on Fox News
"Liar" = Someone telling the truth about me
"Fake News" = Real news

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HornedLion
08/28/19 11:21:56 AM
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dvdjedi posted...
Truths about Trump:
The billionaire who hides his tax returns.
The genius who hides his college grades.
The businessman who bankrupted 3 casinos and lost over $1B in 10 years.
The playboy who pays for sex.
The Christian who doesnt go to church.
The philanthropist who defrauds charity.
The patriot who dodged the draft.
The innocent man who refuses to testify.

Trump Translator:
"Many People have told me" = Voices in my head and fictional people have complimented me
"A lot of people don't know" = I just learned something most people already knew
"Believe me" = I just lied
"In Fact" = I'm about to lie
"He's a great guy" = I will deny ever knowing this person after they begin to tell the truth about me
"MAGA" = Making my pockets fatter off the American tax payers
"Nobody knew" = Everyone knew except me
"Huge" = moderate to below average in size
"Loser" = someone who makes me feel inferior due to their talent or accomplishments
"Policy Briefing" = Turning on Fox News
"Liar" = Someone telling the truth about me
"Fake News" = Real news




Very entertaining and spot on.
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Mead
08/28/19 11:32:51 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
Reposting copypastas doesn't make you as intelligent as the original source


It makes him more intelligent than the people who refuse to admit that the emperor is not wearing clothes

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dvdjedi
08/28/19 11:53:09 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
dvdjedi posted...
Truths about Trump:
The billionaire who hides his tax returns.
The genius who hides his college grades.
The businessman who bankrupted 3 casinos and lost over $1B in 10 years.
The playboy who pays for sex.
The Christian who doesnt go to church.
The philanthropist who defrauds charity.
The patriot who dodged the draft.
The innocent man who refuses to testify.

Trump Translator:
"Many People have told me" = Voices in my head and fictional people have complimented me
"A lot of people don't know" = I just learned something most people already knew
"Believe me" = I just lied
"In Fact" = I'm about to lie
"He's a great guy" = I will deny ever knowing this person after they begin to tell the truth about me
"MAGA" = Making my pockets fatter off the American tax payers
"Nobody knew" = Everyone knew except me
"Huge" = moderate to below average in size
"Loser" = someone who makes me feel inferior due to their talent or accomplishments
"Policy Briefing" = Turning on Fox News
"Liar" = Someone telling the truth about me
"Fake News" = Real news

Reposting copypastas doesn't make you as intelligent as the original source

It doesn't make it any less true. Trump is an embarrassment.
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Lokarin
08/28/19 12:40:29 PM
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They should make a League of Legends clone about seizing land for the border wall...

Call it "Department of the Interior"
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Broken_Zeus
08/28/19 1:13:00 PM
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WaPo's alleged anonymous sources, so take it with a grain of salt.

Mead posted...
Yellow posted...
Is it me or does he seem to be getting more Trumpy lately?


He is seriously getting worse every week


Oh, I thought Yellow was talking about your continued obsession with Trump.

Mead posted...
Anyone that thinks that will turn out well for the US needs to open up a history book


...if you picked up a history book, "America First" was historically a guiding philosophy:
https://theweek.com/articles/627638/brief-history-american-isolationism

And American interventionism is responsible for installing dictators throughout much of the world and played a hand in both the creation of ISIS and the current refugee crisis.
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Broken_Zeus
08/28/19 1:13:05 PM
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dvdjedi posted...
Truths about Trump:
The billionaire who hides his tax returns.
The genius who hides his college grades.
The businessman who bankrupted 3 casinos and lost over $1B in 10 years.
The playboy who pays for sex.
The Christian who doesnt go to church.
The philanthropist who defrauds charity.
The patriot who dodged the draft.
The innocent man who refuses to testify.


Because not showing your tax returns means you're not a billionaire? How does that make sense.

He doesn't "hide" his college grades. I'm honestly not sure how prevalent it was for presidents to disclose their college grades; GWB revealed his, but Obama didn't.

He wasn't involved in the casino day-to-day and was running them at a time when the industry was having trouble.

He didn't "pay" for sex, he allegedly paid them to shut up afterward. And even then, he only paid hush

There are photos of Trump attending church. You could have said "doesn't regularly go to church" because you have wiggle room there, but he clearly goes to church and not just for major events.

The charity thing is ambiguous. In addition to founding his own charitable organization, he's given to other organizations. And the alleged wrongful spending from his charity was later reimbursed.

He had a medical exemption. Getting out of going to war doesn't necessarily make you a draft dodger. And if he had served, people would be questioning his service because it's not about what he actually did or didn't do, but anything people can find to throw at him.

He wasn't compelled to testify and, if you're innocent of something, you don't want to be bothered with testifying especially when it's a witch hunt.

Now for the lightning round!

dvdjedi posted...
Trump Translator:
"Many People have told me" = Voices in my head and fictional people have complimented me
"A lot of people don't know" = I just learned something most people already knew
"Believe me" = I just lied
"In Fact" = I'm about to lie
"He's a great guy" = I will deny ever knowing this person after they begin to tell the truth about me
"MAGA" = Making my pockets fatter off the American tax payers
"Nobody knew" = Everyone knew except me
"Huge" = moderate to below average in size
"Loser" = someone who makes me feel inferior due to their talent or accomplishments
"Policy Briefing" = Turning on Fox News
"Liar" = Someone telling the truth about me
"Fake News" = Real news


"Many people" is standard political rhetoric.

Silly.

Common phrase and he often tells the truth when using it

Meritless

People in the public eye meet countless individuals throughout the course of their lives and are called on to give an opinion of those people. Every politician has praised people they wish they hadn't and, quite honestly, most people have said nice things about somebody they wish they could take back. I complimented Mead once, for example. Boom!

Trump has lost a tremendous amount of money from his stint in politics, so the idea that it's made him richer is something of a laugh.

Embellishment is pretty common in politics and business. And many of the things are pretty major.

And the rest aren't worth even acknowledging.

OhhhJa posted...
Reposting copypastas doesn't make you as intelligent as the original source


I'd hope they wouldn't, since whoever came up with the copypasta wasn't exactly intelligent and I imagine anybody quoting it is probably smarter than the author.
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Mead
08/28/19 1:17:04 PM
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Of course Zeus cant help but adamantly defend Trump on every single line of that post

a clear example of a left leaning centrist view

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Broken_Zeus
08/28/19 1:25:25 PM
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Mead posted...
Of course Zeus cant help but adamantly defend Trump on every single line of that post

a clear example of a left leaning centrist view


I defend the facts, sir. You defend fictions promoting a narrative. Your work is a clear example of a propagandist view.
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Cacciato
08/28/19 1:25:59 PM
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Mead posted...
Of course Zeus cant help but adamantly defend Trump on every single line of that post

a clear example of a left leaning centrist view

Its bizarre, especially when some of those points about Trump are blatantly true. Obama might not have released his grades, but he also didnt run around claiming to be the biggest goddamn stable genius in the country.

And as for the religion thing, that speaks for itself. Especially since anybody dumbass that had been to church on a regular basis wouldnt call it Two Corinthians. You learn that shit in bible school.
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argonautweakend
08/28/19 1:30:17 PM
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When trump had his roast, guests were forbidden from making disparaging jokes about his wealth.

Which isn't that odd, william shatner forbid guests from making jokes about his one wife that drowned in a pool.

But the guy gets really defensive about his wealth, so its not a stretch at all he wouldnt want his tax returns released so we'd see he isn't as rich as he claims. I mean, it was proven he lost well over a billion dollars at one point, which isn't a good look at all, so it just makes sense.
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Broken_Zeus
08/28/19 1:36:07 PM
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Cacciato posted...
Its bizarre, especially when some of those points about Trump are blatantly true. Obama might not have released his grades, but he also didnt run around claiming to be the biggest goddamn stable genius in the country.


A standpoint that makes zero sense no matter how you look at it

Cacciato posted...
And as for the religion thing, that speaks for itself. Especially since anybody dumbass that had been to church on a regular basis wouldnt call it Two Corinthians. You learn that shit in bible school.


Apparently knowing something means you can't flub.

argonautweakend posted...
When trump had his roast, guests were forbidden from making disparaging jokes about his wealth.

Which isn't that odd, william shatner forbid guests from making jokes about his one wife that drowned in a pool.


Part of me imagines his roast was probably as funny as the last episode of SNL he hosted.

argonautweakend posted...
But the guy gets really defensive about his wealth, so its not a stretch at all he wouldnt want his tax returns released so we'd see he isn't as rich as he claims..


Which is a hilarious assumption.
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argonautweakend
08/28/19 1:41:14 PM
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The best part about the Trump roast was actually Jersery Shore star Mike "the situation" Sorrentino failing so bad at comedy, everybody cringing, to the point where I think Jeff Ross had to bail him out.

Also makes me wonder if trump has many real friends if they needed to get a C list guy who gained fame just a few years ago for the roast. There are the standard comedians used in roasts, but The Situation had no reason to be there. Did Joan Rivers(an actual friend of trumps) turn it down or what?
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Mead
08/28/19 1:44:19 PM
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Trump literally took an author to court because he claimed Trump wasnt as rich as he claimed, claiming that it was a lie

He lost the case because he couldnt provide any evidence of his alleged wealth

Lawrence ODonnel is now claiming that Trump doesnt want his tax returns released because it shows that his loans from Deutsche Bank were co-signed by Russian oligarchs surrounding Putin. The claim has yet to be verified by a second source but it would explain so much about Trumps behavior towards Putin and Russia as a whole

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darkknight109
08/28/19 1:53:40 PM
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Broken_Zeus posted...
...if you picked up a history book, "America First" was historically a guiding philosophy:
https://theweek.com/articles/627638/brief-history-american-isolationism

And American interventionism is responsible for installing dictators throughout much of the world and played a hand in both the creation of ISIS and the current refugee crisis.

So you've just laid out how "America First" created some of the country's biggest problems of the modern era.

Do you see the issue yet?

Broken_Zeus posted...
He doesn't "hide" his college grades.

Yes, he did.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherrim/2019/02/28/heres-why-donald-trump-doesnt-want-anyone-to-know-his-grades-or-sat-scores/#51304a893764

At the same time Trump was claiming - with no evidence - that his grades were higher than Obama's, he had Cohen send threatening letters to his high school and colleges warning them that he would sue them if his grades were ever made public. He even had some of his fellow alumni threaten the military academy he graduated from, pressuring them to bury his records (they wound up moving them to a separate location from the rest of the records).

Broken_Zeus posted...
He didn't "pay" for sex, he allegedly paid them to shut up afterward.

No, according to Karen McDougal, he tried to pay for the sex too.

Broken_Zeus posted...
The charity thing is ambiguous.

I mean sure, I guess, if you consider having to shut down your charity over what a judge calls "a shocking pattern of illegality" to be ambiguous...

Broken_Zeus posted...
He had a medical exemption.

Widely accepted to be spurious given that it was granted by a doctor who was renting from Fred Trump, with the doctor's own daughters saying that the diagnosis was made "as a favour" to Fred (and Trump's "debilitating" bone spurs didn't seem to hinder him from playing football in college). And yes, that is 100% draft-dodging.

Honestly, I don't really give a shit whether he dodged the draft - he's far from the only White House occupant who did so (fun fact: there has never been a US president who was actually deployed to Vietnam, and there probably never will be) and I don't fault anyone for deciding, when forcibly conscripted for a conflict they don't believe in or have no personal stake in, to place a premium on the value of their life and decline the order, in whatever form that takes. On the list of "objectionable things Donald Trump has done", draft dodging isn't anywhere near the top - there are literally hundreds of more relevant and obnoxious things we can spend our time talking about instead.

What annoys me is the dishonesty. Unlike other draft-dodging politicians, who at least have the good graces to show contrition when talking about those who weren't well-connected enough to evade the draft, Trump still acts like he deserves all the respect and admiration afforded to vets. When he talks about things like how dodging STDs was "his own personal Vietnam", or how "would've been honoured" to serve in Vietnam, as though it wasn't his choice to seek a deferment, that's the objectionable part - not the fact that he decided he didn't want to die in a jungle in southeast Asia.
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Muscles
08/28/19 3:08:49 PM
#31:


redline65 posted...
Got to build that wall. Hell, they take peoples homes to build sports stadiums in this country. That should generate more outrage than this, IMO.

At least stadiums bring people together and aren't a waste of money
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Blighboy
08/28/19 3:18:22 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Reposting copypastas doesn't make you as intelligent as the original source

Broken_Zeus posted...
I defend the facts

You absolute baboons were arguing that 4 equaled 1 until Trump himself corrected you, and everybody on this board saw it.
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CaptainStrong
08/28/19 3:57:06 PM
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dvdjedi posted...
Truths about Trump:
The patriot who dodged the draft.

How is it patriotic to die in some stupid war we shouldn't have even been in? I don't blame him. If I was around back then, I'd have dodged the draft too. The last war America was justified in being in was World War II.
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SeahorseCpt89
08/28/19 3:57:45 PM
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Im not sure if thats how pardoning works. All a pardon does is stop you from going to jail, or whatever punishment youd face for criminal charges. You can still lose your job if youre doing something illegal like this and private land owners can still fight them on this. I would think so anyway.
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LinkPizza
08/28/19 4:01:33 PM
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CaptainStrong posted...
dvdjedi posted...
Truths about Trump:
The patriot who dodged the draft.

How is it patriotic to die in some stupid war we shouldn't have even been in? I don't blame him. If I was around back then, I'd have dodged the draft too. The last war America was justified in being in was World War II.

Being drafted doesnt always mean youre going to die. There are many different jobs in the military.
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Blighboy
08/28/19 4:03:10 PM
#36:


Him dodging the draft wouldn't really reflect poorly of he didnt insist on insulting John McCain's service.
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OhhhJa
08/28/19 4:12:55 PM
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Blighboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Reposting copypastas doesn't make you as intelligent as the original source

Broken_Zeus posted...
I defend the facts

You absolute baboons were arguing that 4 equaled 1 until Trump himself corrected you, and everybody on this board saw it.

What in the shit hell are you talking about, boy?
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darkknight109
08/28/19 4:49:08 PM
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SeahorseCpt89 posted...
Im not sure if thats how pardoning works. All a pardon does is stop you from going to jail, or whatever punishment youd face for criminal charges. You can still lose your job if youre doing something illegal like this and private land owners can still fight them on this. I would think so anyway.

Well, their job is for the government and Trump is the head of the executive branch, so no, they probably wouldn't get fired.

That being said, Trump's pardon power only extends to federal crimes and unilaterally seizing land without going through the proper process would violate a raft of state-level crimes that Trump has exactly zero power to pardon, so no bureaucrat with a brain would ever risk doing it.

The courts can and probably would step in to block egregious gaps in oversight. Trump's argument of "These regulations must be ignored, because this haste is a matter of national defence," is, from a legalistic point of view, not a bad one... but he would need to prove that this truly is a matter of national defence and I think that's a pretty flimsy argument, especially given that immigrant crime levels are lower than native born and unemployment is currently exceptionally low.

Oh the one hand, courts typically give wide deference to the executive branch on issues of executive authority; on the other, the Trump administration's record in court has been laughably bad (a win rate of ~6%, if memory serves), so I don't like their chances.
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CaptainStrong
08/28/19 7:59:52 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
CaptainStrong posted...
dvdjedi posted...
Truths about Trump:
The patriot who dodged the draft.

How is it patriotic to die in some stupid war we shouldn't have even been in? I don't blame him. If I was around back then, I'd have dodged the draft too. The last war America was justified in being in was World War II.

Being drafted doesnt always mean youre going to die. There are many different jobs in the military.

Still would've been helping America in an extremely unjust war.
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man101
08/28/19 8:12:29 PM
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Cacciato posted...
And as for the religion thing, that speaks for itself. Especially since anybody dumbass that had been to church on a regular basis wouldnt call it Two Corinthians. You learn that shit in bible school.


Seriously I'm surprised that didn't get more traction. I have never attended a church service in my life and even I know it's 'Second Corinthians.'
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