Poll of the Day > What gun control laws could be implemented without straight up banning guns?

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dioxxys
08/15/19 5:53:47 PM
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I know one law that's only implemented in a third of a states that seems like it should be a staple is red flag gun laws.

"In the United States, a red flag law is a gun violence prevention law that permits police or family members to petition a state court to order the temporary removal of firearms from a person who may present a danger to others or themselves."
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WastelandCowboy
08/15/19 6:02:02 PM
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Extensive background checks, psychological evaluations of applicants, and training courses on how to use their firearm.

Guns dont kill people. People kill other people with guns. People are the root of the problem. Remove the ones that shouldnt be owning guns. This will obviously not stop people from going outside of the box and getting firearms from other sources but at least its due-diligence to make sure the law-abiding ones are checked.
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Yellow
08/15/19 6:03:39 PM
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Not selling people guns without a mental health check is a popular one.

Then there's what Yang said, the government offering free trade-ins for personalized "smart" guns that only fire with the user that owns them. I didn't even know they existed.
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ForteEXE3850
08/15/19 6:05:32 PM
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dioxxys posted...
"In the United States, a red flag law is a gun violence prevention law that permits police or family members to petition a state court to order the temporary removal of firearms from a person who may present a danger to others or themselves."

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't most suicide shooters lacking the family or anyone that cares enough about them to notice they have become mentally unstable and need help?
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dioxxys
08/15/19 6:06:44 PM
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ForteEXE3850 posted...
dioxxys posted...
"In the United States, a red flag law is a gun violence prevention law that permits police or family members to petition a state court to order the temporary removal of firearms from a person who may present a danger to others or themselves."

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't most suicide shooters lacking the family or anyone that cares enough about them to notice they have become mentally unstable and need help?

To be honest I couldn't tell you
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Mead
08/15/19 8:34:59 PM
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Limit the number of guns US manufacturers can actually make and sell. Require states to maintain registrys for all firearms, that way if someone beats their wife or commits some other felony, we know their firearm needs to be taken away.

Ban military style weapons designed for warfare. Pass legislation making it a crime to neglectfully store a firearm in a way that a child or mentally unstable person can easily access it. Ban all loopholes regarding gun purchases and changing of hands. You should still have to register your firearm in your name even if you buy it at a gun show, from a private seller, or inherit it.

None of these are unreasonable expectations and all of them can be implemented while preserving our second amendment rights.

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Hop103
08/15/19 8:49:26 PM
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Mandatory gun safety and hunting safety training. Everything else will start leading to slippery slopes.
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dioxxys
08/15/19 9:19:16 PM
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Mr Hangman posted...
Could be implemented in gun control fantasy land where everyone follows the rules? Or in the real world where the rules are enforced by white supremacists against minorities and people with disabilities?

Okay lets do nothing then
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Mead
08/15/19 9:40:38 PM
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Mr Hangman posted...
You can act. The state should not.


Okay brb Ill go personally stop all psychopaths from buying firearms

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Lokarin
08/15/19 9:42:17 PM
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> What gun control laws could be implemented without straight up banning guns?

Upper level gun violence tax on people who earn more than a million dollars per year.

This accomplishes 2 things. First, it incentivizes the people with the capability of doing so to try to reduce gun violence, and secondly - because taxation WITH representation; raises funds for the victims of gun violence
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SunWuKung420
08/15/19 10:02:19 PM
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Stop war profiteering.
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JOExHIGASHI
08/15/19 10:02:41 PM
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gun registration
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ultra magnus13
08/15/19 11:15:16 PM
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Yellow posted...
Not selling people guns without a mental health check is a popular one.

Then there's what Yang said, the government offering free trade-ins for personalized "smart" guns that only fire with the user that owns them. I didn't even know they existed.


Properly functioning "smart guns" do not exist.
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darkknight109
08/15/19 11:24:58 PM
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Off the top of my head, any of the below:

-Mandatory background checks for all sales, including used sales
-Storage laws (guns must be stored in a locked safe when not in use and must be in a secure container when being transported)
-Minimum age requirements for usage
-Mandatory psychological evaluation
-Restrictions on when and where guns may be carried (open or concealed)
-Mandatory training courses
-Mandatory waiting period between purchase and receiving a gun
-Mandatory license, registration, permits, and/or insurance
-A cap on the number of guns that can be owned by a single person
-"Red flag" laws that allow guns to be seized if a complaint is made to law enforcement
-"Duty to retreat" laws
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Gaawa_chan
08/15/19 11:44:15 PM
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Restrictions on guns specifically? In addition to the above post:
- Mandatory waiting period (3-7 days) before purchasing a firearm. I would argue that this is one of the most important things we can implement because waiting periods for gun purchases have reduced suicide rates by 51% in the areas with such regulations. Statistics aside, I have known people whose lives would have been saved by such a law.

- Ammunition caps/restrictions on what kinds of ammunition can be owned. One could also restrict where ammo can be stored; I've seen that done in some countries.

For a few other points:

1.7 million American children live in households with unsecured, pre-loaded firearms. There are no universal child safety laws in the USA when it comes to firearms and that, if nothing else, HAS to change.

46% fewer women are shot to death in states with background checks. 48% fewer police deaths occur in states with background checks.

There are virtually no restrictions at all on online purchases of firearms and ammunition.

Unrelated to guns, three other things we can do are:

1. expand mental health care so that more people can get therapy. Easiest way to do this is to implement universal health care, removing the financial barriers to getting help for your mental state. Uh, this is particularly important because people who are unwell also typically struggle financially for several reasons, so any sort of $ barrier to care is going to cause problems.

2. educate the population on how to recognize signs of radicalization, intent to commit crimes, or suicidal ideation, and what resources there are out there to help them.

3. invest in community programs to combat alienation from society, thereby indirectly combating one of the causes of radicalization.

I could probably think up some other stuff, but... one of the big problems with gun laws is that a lot of areas do have pretty smart regulations in place designed to prevent suicide, accidental deaths, etc... but they are undermined by surrounding stands not sharing those restrictions, so all someone has to do is drive a little ways. At the very least, background checks, storage laws, waiting periods, and internet purchasing restrictions should be enacted across the board. Would save a lot of lives.
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dedbus
08/15/19 11:46:18 PM
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Biometric collar that allows you to purchase a weapon if you are cleared.
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Yellow
08/15/19 11:53:30 PM
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ultra magnus13 posted...
Yellow posted...
Not selling people guns without a mental health check is a popular one.

Then there's what Yang said, the government offering free trade-ins for personalized "smart" guns that only fire with the user that owns them. I didn't even know they existed.


Properly functioning "smart guns" do not exist.

Have you ever used one?

Fingerprint readers have come a long way.
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ultra magnus13
08/16/19 1:08:48 AM
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Gaawa_chan posted...


46% fewer women are shot to death in states with background checks. 48% fewer police deaths occur in states with background checks.

There are virtually no restrictions at all on online purchases of firearms and ammunition.


Not sure where you are getting that stat from, as all 50 states have background checks.

Buying a gun online is regulated exactly like buying a gun in person. You still have to go to a federally licensed dealer in person, fill out the 4473 and pass the background check, wait for whatever your states waiting period is, and then go back to pick it up.
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ultra magnus13
08/16/19 1:11:16 AM
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Yellow posted...
ultra magnus13 posted...
Yellow posted...
Not selling people guns without a mental health check is a popular one.

Then there's what Yang said, the government offering free trade-ins for personalized "smart" guns that only fire with the user that owns them. I didn't even know they existed.


Properly functioning "smart guns" do not exist.

Have you ever used one?

Fingerprint readers have come a long way.


No, as there are no commercially available biometric smart guns. But I've seen high-end biometric finger print readers fail when not being subject to harsh recoil and adverse conditions.
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Keebs05
08/16/19 1:16:46 AM
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I'm surprised by the amount of level-headed ideas that I'm reading and that, as a gun rights advocate, I would have no problem accepting. Extensive background checks, closing of "gun show loopholes," proper training, storage laws (if children are in the household), and waiting periods are all solid ideas.

Red flag laws sound good in theory but I worry about it being easily abused. A gun shouldn't be confiscated immediately without due process unless there's overwhelming evidence like when some of these nutjob mass shooters declare their intentions online. It's still something to consider.

Then there's ideas that I just can't get behind like registration, mandatory insurance, ammunition limits, caps on the number of firearms that you can own, age limitations or anything that uses buzzwords like "military-style" or "assault rifle."
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GreenKnight127
08/16/19 1:19:31 AM
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Waiting periods.

I havent been to all 50 states, but I know that a lot of them can vary on this.

Some places you can literally walk in...buy a gun....and leave with it that day.

Crimes of passion just waiting to happen.

Some kids have stolen their parents guns. In which case: You need to better protect your guns. Lock them up. Keep the bullets separate.

To be completely honest....I think it's all about prevention. Most (dare I say 'every'?) mass shooter has multiple red flags leading up to the shooting. Parents, friends, employers....it's everyone's job to track the mental well-being of the people around you. If someone seems like they are angry, depressed, making a "plan"....yeah.........you need to address that shit. Pronto.

I am so sick of the parents and teachers who knew something was significantly wrong with a certain kid...but just chalked it up to, "Oh, he's an angry teen. Aren't they all?"

Don't ignore the warning signs.
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Conner4REAL
08/16/19 1:33:25 AM
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The problem w gun control is that the laws politicians make dont address the problem they mean to solve.

They more often than not seek to further regulate responsible gun owners who intend to follow the laws.

Nothing legislated after any major incident is done that meets the actual target that would solve the problem that caused the stink in the first place.

Now as far as gun regulation goes? I think the best option is to not have to prove you are innocent to own a gun when the right to bear arms is a Constitutional right.

I am fine w registration. But licensing laws need to be done away with (except on a limited basis explained later),

What would replace them is red flag laws that include due process. Where notice and a hearing is had before the person loses their gun rights.

Now limited licensing should apply in a sense that some individuals like police and such should have a license to carry in certain restricted zones.

The key problem that anti second amendment people have is that the restrictions they support do nothing to stop those who will obtain guns by nefarious means.

The problem thatmany avid gun supporters have is they oppose basic regulation that doesnt interfere w the second amendment like registration.

So they look like crackpots at time
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Questionmarktarius
08/16/19 1:58:46 AM
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Mead posted...
Ban military style weapons designed for warfare.

Already been essentially banned, in 1986.
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Gaawa_chan
08/16/19 3:02:40 AM
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ultra magnus13 posted...
Not sure where you are getting that stat from, as all 50 states have background checks.

Buying a gun online is regulated exactly like buying a gun in person. You still have to go to a federally licensed dealer in person, fill out the 4473 and pass the background check, wait for whatever your states waiting period is, and then go back to pick it up.

The last time I checked, only 12 states have universal background checks.

I might be working on outdated information, but as I recall, private sales from, say, a collector, are not regulated.
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Mead
08/16/19 3:08:51 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Already been essentially banned, in 1986.


Maybe military style is the wrong term

Im talking about guns that let someone fire dozens of rounds per minute without needing to reload. I dont think those type of weapons should be in the hands of just anybody. You dont need that kind of weapon for hunting or personal defense.

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Kyuubi4269
08/16/19 3:23:55 AM
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Just implement UK gun law without the weapon class bans.

You need a license to own
You must have good reason to own (In a gun club, hunter, etc.)
The police must believe you will not misuse your guns
All guns must be registered on your license
How much ammo you need and possess must be on your license
You must store your guns in a lockbox
You must be the only person who knows where your key is
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Keebs05
08/16/19 3:30:58 AM
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Mead posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Already been essentially banned, in 1986.


Maybe military style is the wrong term

Im talking about guns that let someone fire dozens of rounds per minute without needing to reload. I dont think those type of weapons should be in the hands of just anybody. You dont need that kind of weapon for hunting or personal defense.

So...pretty much all semi-automatics? Or are you solely talking about magazine sizes?
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Mead
08/16/19 3:35:33 AM
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Keebs05 posted...
So...pretty much all semi-automatics? Or are you solely talking about magazine sizes?


Im talking about rate of fire as well

I dont see any issue with limited people to regular handguns and rifles. Nobody needs a semi-automatic to hunt deer or stop a burglar

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Kyuubi4269
08/16/19 3:38:47 AM
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With a bolt action I could fire dozens of rounds per minute.
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Mead
08/16/19 3:41:44 AM
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Pretty sure the UK has some common sense gun laws so good luck with that

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Keebs05
08/16/19 4:28:27 AM
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Mead posted...
Keebs05 posted...
So...pretty much all semi-automatics? Or are you solely talking about magazine sizes?


Im talking about rate of fire as well

I dont see any issue with limited people to regular handguns and rifles. Nobody needs a semi-automatic to hunt deer or stop a burglar

Most handguns are semi-automatic. Unless you're talking exclusively about revolvers or the odd bolt-action handgun. And you'll get nowhere by telling someone what firearms they do or do not "need."
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Mead
08/16/19 4:32:11 AM
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Keebs05 posted...
Most handguns are semi-automatic. Unless you're talking exclusively about revolvers or the odd bolt-action handgun. And you'll get nowhere by telling someone what firearms they do or do not "need."


With a handgun you have a fairly limited number of rounds though

Im far from an expert but I think there needs to be better legislation regulating the level of firepower people can buy for private use. We already tell people what firearms they can and cant have.

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Kyuubi4269
08/16/19 5:12:21 AM
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Keebs05 posted...
Mead posted...
Keebs05 posted...
So...pretty much all semi-automatics? Or are you solely talking about magazine sizes?


Im talking about rate of fire as well

I dont see any issue with limited people to regular handguns and rifles. Nobody needs a semi-automatic to hunt deer or stop a burglar

Most handguns are semi-automatic. Unless you're talking exclusively about revolvers or the odd bolt-action handgun. And you'll get nowhere by telling someone what firearms they do or do not "need."

Also Wild West films have taught us you can fire off an SA Revolver mighty quick with some skill.
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