Poll of the Day > The House has begun impeachment proceedings

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Mead
08/09/19 2:04:30 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/09/impeachment-inquiry-trump-has-feared-is-here/

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SpeedDemon20
08/09/19 2:19:49 PM
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I'm really mad about the well done steak with ketchup!

Edit: I'm gonna try to find out how past presidents liked their steaks.

Edit 2: Okay, I'm over it. The heart wants what the heart wants, I suppose.
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Blighboy
08/09/19 2:21:47 PM
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We got him this time
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TheWitchMorgana
08/09/19 2:23:02 PM
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is this the one where theyll actually do something
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Mead
08/09/19 2:30:18 PM
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TheWitchMorgana posted...
is this the one where theyll actually do something


The House will

Senate will vote not to impeach

but these proceedings are gonna dredge up every fucked up thing trump has done and force the American people to see it, leading right up to the 2020 election

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DirtBasedSoap
08/09/19 2:32:11 PM
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someone should push trump down some stairs... in Minecraft of course

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WastelandCowboy
08/09/19 2:47:02 PM
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Mead posted...
TheWitchMorgana posted...
is this the one where theyll actually do something


The House will

Senate will vote not to impeach

but these proceedings are gonna dredge up every fucked up thing trump has done and force the American people to see it, leading right up to the 2020 election

It likely wont change anything. The people that dont like Trump still wont like him after the proceedings. His followers will likely still follow him and froth rage at democrats for these proceedings.
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Ogurisama
08/09/19 2:58:48 PM
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Feels like they could use that time to do something more productive. But then again this is the government, they always waste time and tax money.
I would say wait till after the election, if he wins again then go for it. But his term is pretty much over and once all the stuff are said and done he it will be election time.

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Mead
08/09/19 3:01:07 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
It likely wont change anything. The people that dont like Trump still wont like him after the proceedings. His followers will likely still follow him and froth rage at democrats for these proceedings.


Time will tell. His base is unwavering but a lot of swing voters voted for Trump in 2016.

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OhhhJa
08/09/19 3:04:11 PM
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Gonna blow back up in the Democrats faces like everything else they've tried. They literally have no new evidence of anything yet decided to pursue this anyway lol. The basis of this matter reading articles is nothing more than orange man bad lmao
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Mead
08/09/19 3:08:24 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Gonna blow back up in the Democrats faces like everything else they've tried. They literally have no new evidence of anything yet decided to pursue this anyway lol. The basis of this matter reading articles is nothing more than orange man bad lmao


At least half the voter base isnt even aware of the evidence discovered so far. This will grab a lot of peoples attention and get some listening. If they hear the facts and still want to vote for Trump in 2020 then thats their choice.

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OhhhJa
08/09/19 3:17:36 PM
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Mead posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Gonna blow back up in the Democrats faces like everything else they've tried. They literally have no new evidence of anything yet decided to pursue this anyway lol. The basis of this matter reading articles is nothing more than orange man bad lmao


At least half the voter base isnt even aware of the evidence discovered so far. This will grab a lot of peoples attention and get some listening. If they hear the facts and still want to vote for Trump in 2020 then thats their choice.

We shall see I suppose. Seems like the kind of "bombshell" news to distract from a certain high profile case though
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BeerOnTap
08/09/19 3:55:23 PM
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Mead posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Gonna blow back up in the Democrats faces like everything else they've tried. They literally have no new evidence of anything yet decided to pursue this anyway lol. The basis of this matter reading articles is nothing more than orange man bad lmao


At least half the voter base isnt even aware of the evidence discovered so far. This will grab a lot of peoples attention and get some listening. If they hear the facts and still want to vote for Trump in 2020 then thats their choice.


This is a major misread. There have been tons of recent polls on this, the American people dont favor impeachment. The republicans tried this with Clinton and paid dearly. I could be wrong, but I think this will be supremely unpalatable. The Mueller testimony made the Dems look like idiots. This will likely be more of the same.
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LinkPizza
08/09/19 3:57:19 PM
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BeerOnTap posted...
Mead posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Gonna blow back up in the Democrats faces like everything else they've tried. They literally have no new evidence of anything yet decided to pursue this anyway lol. The basis of this matter reading articles is nothing more than orange man bad lmao


At least half the voter base isnt even aware of the evidence discovered so far. This will grab a lot of peoples attention and get some listening. If they hear the facts and still want to vote for Trump in 2020 then thats their choice.


This is a major misread. There have been tons of recent polls on this, the American people dont favor impeachment. The republicans tried this with Clinton and paid dearly. I could be wrong, but I think this will be supremely unpalatable. The Mueller testimony made the Dems look like idiots. This will likely be more of the same.

But it could be more like what Mead said. They may just be trying to get the information out there. They probably dont really care if he is impeached or not...
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Smarkil
08/09/19 3:59:42 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
BeerOnTap posted...
Mead posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Gonna blow back up in the Democrats faces like everything else they've tried. They literally have no new evidence of anything yet decided to pursue this anyway lol. The basis of this matter reading articles is nothing more than orange man bad lmao


At least half the voter base isnt even aware of the evidence discovered so far. This will grab a lot of peoples attention and get some listening. If they hear the facts and still want to vote for Trump in 2020 then thats their choice.


This is a major misread. There have been tons of recent polls on this, the American people dont favor impeachment. The republicans tried this with Clinton and paid dearly. I could be wrong, but I think this will be supremely unpalatable. The Mueller testimony made the Dems look like idiots. This will likely be more of the same.

But it could be more like what Mead said. They may just be trying to get the information out there. They probably dont really care if he is impeached or not...


The problem is they've been crying wolf for a very long time. Even if there's some heinous shit in there, people will probably assume its just a nothingburger like everything else they've churned out. If they had focused on things that actually mattered to begin with, it might mean something.
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faramir77
08/09/19 4:02:40 PM
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His Twitter account alone should contain more than enough evidence to impeach him.

It doesn't, but it should, given the shitposts he makes.
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TigerTycoon
08/09/19 4:04:37 PM
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I hope Trump win's re-election so congress can waste another 4 years doing nothing but complain about Trump.
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WastelandCowboy
08/09/19 4:07:43 PM
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TigerTycoon posted...
I hope Trump win's re-election so congress can waste another 4 years doing nothing but complain about Trump.

As if congress has ever been productive during a single presidency
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Mead
08/09/19 4:09:22 PM
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TigerTycoon posted...
I hope Trump win's re-election so congress can waste another 4 years doing nothing but complain about Trump.


Ignoring the fact that congress was majority republican for half his term

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OhhhJa
08/09/19 4:16:40 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
But it could be more like what Mead said. They may just be trying to get the information out there

Wasnt that the entire purpose of the mueller testimony?
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Mead
08/09/19 4:18:25 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Wasnt that the entire purpose of the mueller testimony?


Partly yes, there were people interviewed who said they were surprised at Mueller saying that the report didnt exonerate Trump because all this time they had heard that it did exactly that

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Zareth
08/09/19 4:45:44 PM
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We gonna get him this time!
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DPsx7
08/09/19 6:17:05 PM
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Shame they refuse to do any actual work. They have nothing. 4 more years, can't wait to see how much they cry then.
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WastelandCowboy
08/09/19 6:21:23 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Shame they refuse to do any actual work. They have nothing. 4 more years, can't wait to see how much they cry then.

And if trump loses? What will you do? Tantrum?
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Mead
08/09/19 6:22:45 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
And if trump loses? What will you do? Tantrum?


Hell report congress for being malware

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aDirtyShisno
08/09/19 6:27:21 PM
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Smarkil posted...
LinkPizza posted...
BeerOnTap posted...
Mead posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Gonna blow back up in the Democrats faces like everything else they've tried. They literally have no new evidence of anything yet decided to pursue this anyway lol. The basis of this matter reading articles is nothing more than orange man bad lmao


At least half the voter base isnt even aware of the evidence discovered so far. This will grab a lot of peoples attention and get some listening. If they hear the facts and still want to vote for Trump in 2020 then thats their choice.


This is a major misread. There have been tons of recent polls on this, the American people dont favor impeachment. The republicans tried this with Clinton and paid dearly. I could be wrong, but I think this will be supremely unpalatable. The Mueller testimony made the Dems look like idiots. This will likely be more of the same.

But it could be more like what Mead said. They may just be trying to get the information out there. They probably dont really care if he is impeached or not...


The problem is they've been crying wolf for a very long time. Even if there's some heinous shit in there, people will probably assume its just a nothingburger like everything else they've churned out. If they had focused on things that actually mattered to begin with, it might mean something.

This is just going to guarantee him the election. Even if they vote completely partisan and impeach him they will never have enough votes to remove him from office. Because of that his voting base will be furious and will put him back in office for 4 more years.
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Mead
08/09/19 6:49:47 PM
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This will have no effect on his base whatsoever because theyll vote for him no matter what

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DPsx7
08/09/19 7:04:02 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Shame they refuse to do any actual work. They have nothing. 4 more years, can't wait to see how much they cry then.

And if trump loses? What will you do? Tantrum?


Why would that happen? He's the only one doing his job. The vocal minority who dislike him are desperately trying anything to see what sticks. So far it's been an epic failure and this will cost them. Really, when the time comes for them to list the reasons why they should win the election, the ONLY thing on their list will be 'bashed Trump for 4 years'.
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Cacciato
08/09/19 7:08:24 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Shame they refuse to do any actual work. They have nothing. 4 more years, can't wait to see how much they cry then.

And if trump loses? What will you do? Tantrum?


Why would that happen? He's the only one doing his job. The vocal minority who dislike him are desperately trying anything to see what sticks. So far it's been an epic failure and this will cost them. Really, when the time comes for them to list the reasons why they should win the election, the ONLY thing on their list will be 'bashed Trump for 4 years'.

Lost the popular vote but you think its a vocal minority?
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RoboXgp89
08/09/19 7:08:30 PM
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it's just deflection

they already said china hacked hilary/dnc anyway
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Keebs05
08/09/19 7:14:09 PM
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sWccKVA

He's an upgrade in that he isn't a boisterous, inflammatory blowhard but he's more hardcore right than Trump ever was.
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Mead
08/09/19 7:20:03 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
it's just deflection

they already said china hacked hilary/dnc anyway


please, elaborate

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WastelandCowboy
08/09/19 7:35:15 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Shame they refuse to do any actual work. They have nothing. 4 more years, can't wait to see how much they cry then.

And if trump loses? What will you do? Tantrum?


Why would that happen? He's the only one doing his job. The vocal minority who dislike him are desperately trying anything to see what sticks. So far it's been an epic failure and this will cost them. Really, when the time comes for them to list the reasons why they should win the election, the ONLY thing on their list will be 'bashed Trump for 4 years'.

When hes not tweeting and throwing tantrums for not getting his way or people not kissing his ass? When hes not golfing or watching Fox News circlejerk?
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RoboXgp89
08/09/19 7:36:31 PM
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nvm...

"He stated that these efforts included (1) examining the servers and others devices to identify suspicious logins or other activity, and (2) searching numerous datasets to determine whether foreign adversaries or known hostile domestic actors had accessed emails that the [team] had confirmed to contain classified information."

Former FBI Director James Comey, in his July 5, 2016, press conference regarding possible cyber intrusion of Clintons email servers, said the FBI had not found direct evidence of any intrusion into her personal email domain, but didn't rule out the possibility.

"Given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account ... She also used her personal email extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related emails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal email account."

Comey's remarks were widely reported

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DPsx7
08/09/19 7:45:54 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
DPsx7 posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Shame they refuse to do any actual work. They have nothing. 4 more years, can't wait to see how much they cry then.

And if trump loses? What will you do? Tantrum?


Why would that happen? He's the only one doing his job. The vocal minority who dislike him are desperately trying anything to see what sticks. So far it's been an epic failure and this will cost them. Really, when the time comes for them to list the reasons why they should win the election, the ONLY thing on their list will be 'bashed Trump for 4 years'.

When hes not tweeting and throwing tantrums for not getting his way or people not kissing his ass? When hes not golfing or watching Fox News circlejerk?


Tweeting and tantrums? WTF do you think those other idiots have been doing all this time? Frankly unless you're elite like me without a phone, who doesn't 'tweet and tantrum'? I am indifferent towards golf unless it's the mini kind. And the less said about the media the better. They just want ratings.

So yeah, I'm waiting for actual reasons to be against the guy. Common sense says no. He's a man with a job. No more or less. Wait, did he have anything to do with Pai? Ok knock off a brownie point for that.
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darkknight109
08/09/19 8:28:09 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Shame they refuse to do any actual work.

I don't get this.

I seriously don't. The House has passed hundreds of bills that have sat, withered, and died on Mitch McConnell's desk. The reason why nothing is getting passed is because McConnell - not even the Republicans, but McConnell - won't bring the bills up for debate and a vote.

How one man has that much power in what is supposed to be a democratic institution is utterly beyond me. The way you Americans have structured your political system is utterly bizarre.

Mead posted...
The House will

Senate will vote not to impeach

The senate doesn't vote to impeach - that's the house's job.

If the house votes to impeach, it proceeds to a trial and the senate votes on whether or not to convict, with a 2/3 majority required for removal from office.

OhhhJa posted...
Gonna blow back up in the Democrats faces like everything else they've tried. They literally have no new evidence of anything yet decided to pursue this anyway lol.

Technically, what they've found so far is already grounds for impeachment, should they wish to pursue it.

The conviction will never stick with a Republican senate, let alone this particular Republican senate, but there's more than enough evidence to proceed if that's the road they want to go down.

Will this seriously hinder either side? Honestly, my guess is no. Trump's supporters are not going to be swayed by impeachment and were already going to vote for him in 2020, so there's no real loss there for the Dems. And given the volume of misdeeds he's committed, I doubt many of the dems or dem-leaning voters are going to be swayed by this one way or another.

I suspect, as someone else said in this thread, this is more about getting information. They honestly shouldn't have to frame it in impeachment terms to do it, but since Trump has stonewalled every attempt for congress to do its job of oversight of the executive branch, this is starting to look like the only path forward.

DPsx7 posted...
Why would that happen? He's the only one doing his job.

Seriously? What the fuck has he been doing the last three years other than throwing tantrums on Twitter and going golfing?

He's done jack shit. The best he could manage was an abortive attempt at repealing Obamacare (that he never had a replacement for) and a tax law that has ballooned the country's deficit when the economy is good and the debt should be getting paid down rather than expanded. How the country will fare when the economy hits the skids next and it *already* has a soaring deficit will be fascinating to watch (and we may not have to wait long - Trump's trade war with China is raising expectations of a looming recession).
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Mead
08/09/19 8:32:33 PM
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The senate doesn't vote to impeach - that's the house's job.


If the house votes to impeach, it proceeds to a trial and the senate votes on whether or not to convict, with a 2/3 majority required for removal from office.


you knew what I meant

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Phantom_Nook
08/09/19 8:59:56 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
The vocal minority who dislike him

>he lost the popular vote and has never had over 50% support
>only a vocal minority dislike him

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Mead
08/09/19 9:03:47 PM
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Hes also the only president to never reach even 50% favorability for his job performance in polls since they started taking such polls

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Wanded
08/09/19 9:18:05 PM
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Ogurisama posted...
Feels like they could use that time to do something more productive. But then again this is the government, they always waste time and tax money.
I would say wait till after the election, if he wins again then go for it. But his term is pretty much over and once all the stuff are said and done he it will be election time.

Democrats
Productive

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Mead
08/09/19 9:19:39 PM
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Wanded posted...
Democrats
Productive

Pick one


Yo dude how much legislation did republicans pass in the two years that they controlled every branch of government?

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argonautweakend
08/09/19 9:36:05 PM
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Keebs05 posted...

He's an upgrade in that he isn't a boisterous, inflammatory blowhard but he's more hardcore right than Trump ever was


Literally. I'd take pence over trump every time.
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OhhhJa
08/09/19 9:46:27 PM
#43:


Mead posted...
Hes also the only president to never reach even 50% favorability for his job performance in polls since they started taking such polls

I honestly think most polls put out by large media outlets are fraudulent/propaganda. Is it even really a secret anymore that MSM outlets are the propaganda arm of different factions of the government?
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OhhhJa
08/09/19 9:46:33 PM
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argonautweakend posted...
Keebs05 posted...

He's an upgrade in that he isn't a boisterous, inflammatory blowhard but he's more hardcore right than Trump ever was


Literally. I'd take pence over trump every time.

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ASlaveObeys
08/09/19 9:53:03 PM
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The only saving grace about pence is he won't win 2020
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Mead
08/09/19 10:01:36 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
I honestly think most polls put out by large media outlets are fraudulent/propaganda. Is it even really a secret anymore that MSM outlets are the propaganda arm of different factions of the government?


There are plenty of nonpartisan poll groups thatve been doing polls for decades

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_AdjI_
08/09/19 10:06:49 PM
#47:


SpeedDemon20 posted...
I'm really mad about the well done steak with ketchup!

Edit: I'm gonna try to find out how past presidents liked their steaks.

Edit 2: Okay, I'm over it. The heart wants what the heart wants, I suppose.


What gets me about that isn't that he likes his steak well done with ketchup, it's that he paid over $50 for a dry aged steak well done with ketchup. If you're having it well done, you've rendered out all of the marbling and aged fat that make it cost that much, and the ketchup masks the flavour of whatever tiny amounts of fat are left. It becomes pretty much indistinguishable from a $2 one. He paid that much without understanding or caring why he was paying that much, which really is not a good trait for anyone in charge of other people's money to have.

Mead posted...
but these proceedings are gonna dredge up every f***ed up thing trump has done and force the American people to see it, leading right up to the 2020 election


The American people have already seen reams upon reams of terrible behaviour from the man, past and present. If people were fine overlooking that in 2016, they'll be fine overlooking it in 2020.
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Mead
08/09/19 10:11:36 PM
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I think some folks may very well have their opinion swayed when they realize all the laws he has broken and constitutional crisis he has created since being put in office

I mean his administration just responded to most deadly mass shooting against the Hispanic community in the US by immediately conducting the largest ICE raid ever against Hispanic immigrants in our country

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Aaantlion
08/09/19 10:15:41 PM
#49:


Mead posted...
Wanded posted...
Democrats
Productive

Pick one


Yo dude how much legislation did republicans pass in the two years that they controlled every branch of government?


So basically you're arguing that only quantity matters?

darkknight109 posted...
I seriously don't. The House has passed hundreds of bills that have sat, withered, and died on Mitch McConnell's desk. The reason why nothing is getting passed is because McConnell - not even the Republicans, but McConnell - won't bring the bills up for debate and a vote.


...kinda like Harry Reid blocked hundreds of bills coming up for a vote?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/aug/06/lynn-jenkins/rep-lynn-jenkins-blames-harry-reid-do-nothing-sena/
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WastelandCowboy
08/09/19 10:16:32 PM
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Mead posted...
I think some folks may very well have their opinion swayed when they realize all the laws he has broken and constitutional crisis he has created since being put in office

I mean his administration just responded to most deadly mass shooting against the Hispanic community in the US by immediately conducting the largest ICE raid ever against Hispanic immigrants in our country

However, you're assuming that these people are rational and logical.
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