Poll of the Day > My sister and two cousins are at a mall that has an active shooter

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Mead posted...

He also said he was gonna make sure veterans were taken care of and fix our infrastructure

But instead he just yells at windmills

To be fair, I have finally gone to the VA to see a doctor.

Who then gave me blood pressure pills that made it hard to breathe.

The only way you'll ever really impact the frequency of these mass shootings is with an all-out ban, confiscation and/or ridiculously heavy regulations and that simply won't happen. Nobody except the most extreme of politicians would go for it and I think there would be mass non-compliance with many gun owners.
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wolfy42 posted...

What we need is torture, prolonged torture, that is TELEVISED

No, they will use that as a rallying point against the government and just stop surrendering to police after committing their shootings. The number of shootings would increase, not decrease, with that response. This is not even mentioning the blatant unconstitutionality as well as what a horrific idea it is to give the State the legal right to torture people as a crime deterrent.
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This guy on fb said mass shootings are liberal propaganda and he bets no one could even name 5 that happened this year

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Rasmoh posted...

because gun violence, particularly mass shootings, are already extremely rare.

what is your definition of extremely rare bud
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TheSlinja posted...

what is your definition of extremely rare bud

Yeah, is two in 5 days extremely rare?

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my main problem with these pro gun assholes is that they have every bullshit retort as to why x wont stop gun violence but have absolutely fucking nothing better to propose so they pretend its not a real problem and then sit on their ass as people continue to get hurt
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TheSlinja posted...

my main problem with these pro gun assholes is that they have every bullshit retort as to why x wont stop gun violence but have absolutely fucking nothing better to propose so they pretend its not a real problem and then sit on their ass as people continue to get hurt

Can't even have a study on gun violence to begin discussing options to deal with a clearly growing problem.

Jen0125 posted...

TheSlinja posted...

what is your definition of extremely rare bud

Yeah, is two in 5 days extremely rare?

Considering the total number of firearms owned in the US...yeah.

BlackScythe0 posted...

TheSlinja posted...

my main problem with these pro gun assholes is that they have every bullshit retort as to why x wont stop gun violence but have absolutely fucking nothing better to propose so they pretend its not a real problem and then sit on their ass as people continue to get hurt

Can't even have a study on gun violence to begin discussing options to deal with a clearly growing problem.

Because the only options that ever get truly discussed are gun bans.

I dont care how many fucking guns we have the amount of shootings we have are not extremely rare, you dickheads are waiting for a shooting every damb day beforenyou admit that this is a serious problem that needs serious action fast
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usranger13 posted...

Because the only options that ever get truly discussed are gun bans.

No study has ever been performed and the discussion is only happening on one side.

The other side just does bat shit crazy stuff like passing bills to let toddlers have guns.

I know it happens in every one of these shootings, but seeing the tweets and the news talking about places youve been thousands of times is just insane. My dad shops at that Walmart every Saturday morning. Hes done that for five years now. My cousins work at that mall. Hearing the thoughts and prayers is silly to me, I cant even begin to imagine how it sounds to the people who were there, or the now incomplete families.

This is now the eighth deadliest shooting in modern US history. Done by a fuckwad who drove more than 600 miles to do it. I literally cannot comprehend the cowardice or fear or hatred someone would have to have to spend a day driving to kill strangers in a shopping center.

Its been a long day of texting friends and family to make sure everyone is okay. My mom calling me this morning to tell me my sister was in the area and then not hearing back for hours is maybe the most scared Ive ever been.

Anyway i I might not read or respond in this topic anymore, if it still even gets posts. Im tired of hearing about it :/

MrMelodramatic posted...

This is now the eighth deadliest shooting in modern US history. Done by a fuckwad who drove more than 600 miles to do it. I literally cannot comprehend the cowardice or fear or hatred someone would have to have to spend a day driving to kill strangers in a shopping center.

He deserves the needle. The problem is that our idiotic legal system would feed and shelter him for 30 years behind bars beforehand.

That last posts sounds so stupid lmao

TheSlinja posted...

what is your definition of extremely rare bud

Perhaps I should have said "gun homicides". In 2018, for instance, gun homicides accounted for under half a percent of total deaths in the US. Keep in mind this number includes justifiable homicides. Of these gun homicides, mass shootings made up less than 3 percent and always have their numbers inflated by the blanket definition of mass shooting.

TheSlinja posted...

my main problem with these pro gun assholes is that they have every bullshit retort as to why x wont stop gun violence but have absolutely fucking nothing better to propose so they pretend its not a real problem and then sit on their ass as people continue to get hurt

Anti-gun assholes constantly propose idiotic solutions that do nothing but fuck the 99% of law-abiding gun owners in the ass, so it's not as though they're any better. Everybody wants solutions to a problem that is statistically not an actual problem.
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Rasmoh posted...

gun homicides accounted for under half a percent of total deaths in the US.

It should, since 2/3s of gun deaths are self-inflicted
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as I said all these guys do is pretend its not a problem, if you dont see this as a problem I really dont have much to say to you.
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Lokarin posted...

Rasmoh posted...

gun homicides accounted for under half a percent of total deaths in the US.

It should, since 2/3s of gun deaths are self-inflicted

It's why Australia actually saw suicides decrease after they addressed mass shootings.

TheSlinja posted...

as I said all these guys do is pretend its not a problem, if you dont see this as a problem I really dont have much to say to you.

Who's pretending? It's a literal fact that homicide by gun is so uncommon that it doesn't even make up half a percent of total deaths in the US. Mass shootings make up a fraction of that. It's a sensationalized issue.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

MrMelodramatic posted...

This is now the eighth deadliest shooting in modern US history. Done by a fuckwad who drove more than 600 miles to do it. I literally cannot comprehend the cowardice or fear or hatred someone would have to have to spend a day driving to kill strangers in a shopping center.

He deserves the needle. The problem is that our idiotic legal system would feed and shelter him for 30 years behind bars beforehand.

Agreed. Our system is already busy doing that for the unemployed, right?

TheSlinja posted...

as I said all these guys do is pretend its not a problem, if you dont see this as a problem I really dont have much to say to you.

exactly

this is why i don't bother with this board anymore
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"Marriage is between one man and woman" he said, until it was his daughter that wanted to get married to her female partner.

"Abortion is murder" he said, until it was his mistress who got pregnant.

"Bailouts are bad" he said, until he needed a bailout for his farm.

"It's not a problem" he said, until it was his family under the barrel.

Rasmoh posted...

Who's pretending? It's a literal fact that homicide by gun is so uncommon that it doesn't even make up half a percent of total deaths in the US. Mass shootings make up a fraction of that. It's a sensationalized issue.

Then you don't understand what these shooters are trying to do.
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Gaawa_chan posted...

Then you don't understand what these shooters are trying to do.

Enlighten me.
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Rasmoh posted...

Gaawa_chan posted...

Then you don't understand what these shooters are trying to do.

Enlighten me.

They want to eradicate political opposition and minorities. The individual shootings are an effort to kick-start more and more violence (they are particularly hoping to provoke an out-of-control cycle of retaliatory violence, but most minority folks aren't stupid enough to think that shooting up a bunch of neo-nazis in Charlottesville is going to do anything other than make things worse). Some of them are outright gunning for a civil war/race war. Turning a blind eye to this just because you don't think enough people people have died from it yet makes you look like a fool. This is fascist stochastic terrorism, and not taking it seriously is just going to get more people killed.
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Gaawa_chan posted...

and not taking it seriously is just going to get more people killed.

Not punishing the 99.9% of law-abiding gun owners isn't the same as not taking it seriously.
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Rasmoh posted...

Gaawa_chan posted...

and not taking it seriously is just going to get more people killed.

Not punishing the 99.9% of law-abiding gun owners isn't the same as not taking it seriously.

Please point to the post I made where I said that we need to "punish law-abiding gun owners."

Oh, that's right, you can't, because there isn't one.

That was also not the argument. Don't be disingenuous; we are capable of going back up and re-reading your posts. You said that the shootings are sensationalized because the # of deaths is not really *that high* statistically speaking. That is not an argument about the 2nd Amendment. That's an argument for people not taking this public threat seriously at all, which is beyond stupid considering the goal of these shootings is to provoke a statistical escalation of violence.

Oh, but on the subject of "punishing law-abiding gun owners," care to explain how implementing universal background checks would punish law-abiding citizens? How would buyback programs punish law-abiding citizens? How would a ban on the production of high capacity weaponry punish law-abiding citizens? How would expanding mental health coverage punish law-abiding citizens?

Oh, that's right, they wouldn't.
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Gaawa_chan posted...

Please point to the post I made where I said that we need to "punish law-abiding gun owners."

Oh, that's right, you can't, because there isn't one.

Fair enough.

Gaawa_chan posted...

You said that the shootings are sensationalized because the # of deaths is not really *that high* statistically speaking.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say mass shootings are over sensationalized by those who want guns banned or restricted because the amount of deaths from mass shootings are statistically insignificant?

Gaawa_chan posted...

care to explain how implementing universal background checks would punish law-abiding citizens?

Because they will have to pay for unnecessary background checks that would do next-to-nothing to stop these events.

Gaawa_chan posted...

How would buyback programs punish law-abiding citizens?

If nothing else, raised taxes, assuming they were 100% voluntary and there were no negative consequences(legally or socially) for not participating. Again though, completely ineffective.

Gaawa_chan posted...

How would a ban on the production of high capacity weaponry punish law-abiding citizens?

How would a ban on something purchased overwhelmingly by law-abiding citizens punish them?

Gaawa_chan posted...

How would expanding mental health coverage punish law-abiding citizens?

More taxes coming out of their pockets for something with not even a remote guarantee of efficacy.
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whats the magic number
how many need to die before its a big problem

if in the next year 25 planes were highjacked and crashed it wouldnt be a problem because thats such a small amount of total planes right?
when does it become a real problem?
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Rasmoh posted...

TheSlinja posted...

as I said all these guys do is pretend its not a problem, if you dont see this as a problem I really dont have much to say to you.

Who's pretending? It's a literal fact that homicide by gun is so uncommon that it doesn't even make up half a percent of total deaths in the US. Mass shootings make up a fraction of that. It's a sensationalized issue.

It's actually completely and totally insane to say that we shouldn't care about at least 20 people dying for no reason.

It's not "sensationalized" we understand that it could happen to us or someone we love. We understand that it is happening more and more. I'm not arrogant or foolish enough to think it could never happen to me.

What you just said is completely and totally insane.

TheSlinja posted...

how many need to die before its a big problem

It's a problem in terms of societal issues. That is to say, the problem is "Why does it seem as though incidences of mass murder are increasing in our society?". Guns are the tool, not the cause.

Using .014% of deaths in the US as a reason to start cracking down on guns is illogical for obvious reasons.
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so whats the cause then genius, because we have a billion things we think might be the cause but we know what the tools are
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BlackScythe0 posted...

It's actually completely and totally insane to say that we shouldn't care about at least 20 people dying for no reason.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't care about the people dying, just that the means used is irrelevant.

BlackScythe0 posted...

I'm not arrogant or foolish enough to think it could never happen to me.

It's not arrogance or foolishness, it's simple statistics. I don't fear being struck by lightning due to the statistical unlikelihood either.
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It's not sensationalized. Mass shootings are literally a sensational event. You're trying to normalize that which should never be normal.

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Rasmoh posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

It's actually completely and totally insane to say that we shouldn't care about at least 20 people dying for no reason.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't care about the people dying, just that the means used is irrelevant.

BlackScythe0 posted...

I'm not arrogant or foolish enough to think it could never happen to me.

It's not arrogance or foolishness, it's simple statistics. I don't fear being struck by lightning due to the statistical unlikelihood either.

Mass shootings are not unpredictable acts of nature.

TheSlinja posted...

so whats the cause then genius, because we have a billion things we think might be the cause but we know what the tools are

In my opinion, it's the increasing amount of people with nothing to lose and no hope for the future in our society combined with the fact that if someone definitively wants to be heard, mass murder gives them essentially a 100% chance of being heard.

I'd love to hear why you think guns are to blame though.
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Mass shootings are not unpredictable acts of nature.

Lightning strikes are actually probably more predictable than mass shootings.
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No one has ever said guns are to blame. Guns are the most easily accessible highly destructive tool used. Guns were invented to kill and devistate. That's their sole purpose. There's no reason they SHOULDN'T be heavily restricted.

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Rasmoh posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Mass shootings are not unpredictable acts of nature.

Lightning strikes are actually probably more predictable than mass shootings.

Someone please tell me this is supposed to be a form of conservative humor.

Jen0125 posted...

There's no reason they SHOULDN'T be heavily restricted.

There are plenty of reasons, the foremost being that restrictions only matter to those concerned with said restrictions.
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Someone please tell me this is supposed to be a form of conservative humor.

Are you telling me that weather isn't somewhat predictable? Is meteorology a lie?
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Rasmoh posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Someone please tell me this is supposed to be a form of conservative humor.

Are you telling me that weather isn't somewhat predictable? Is meteorology a lie?

No one predicts lightning strikes.

Two in less than 24 hours. Please tell me more about how EXTREMELY RARE it is

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Rasmoh posted...

There are plenty of reasons, the foremost being that restrictions only matter to those concerned with said restrictions.

That trope doesn't work when you actually take a look at restrictive gun law vs gun crime.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

No one predicts lightning strikes.

Meteorologists predict thunderstorms and lightning strikes all the time.
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Jen0125 posted...

Two in less than 24 hours. Please tell me more about how EXTREMELY RARE it is

.014% of deaths in the US are caused by mass shootings. Most people would consider that pretty rare.
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Rasmoh posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

No one predicts lightning strikes.

Meteorologists predict thunderstorms and lightning strikes all the time.

Generally conservatives engage in pedantry with specifics. You're trying to make it really general.

A thunderstorm doesn't necessarily have lightning. Lightning doesn't always require a storm.

Rasmoh posted...

In my opinion, it's the increasing amount of people with nothing to lose and no hope for the future in our society

sick, I agree
one problem tho
what the actual fuck are we supposed to do about that that wont takes years and years of slow societal change and what are we supposed to do in the meantime, nothing?

Rasmoh posted...

combined with the fact that if someone definitively wants to be heard, mass murder gives them essentially a 100% chance of being heard.

I also agree with this only one problem, this all goes to the media and what gets ratings (hint its fear and anger) and good luck getting rid of that anytime soon, good riddance if we ever do tho

it boils down to what we can do for now and thats regulate guns while we work on the rest
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Rasmoh posted...

.014% of deaths in the US are caused by mass shootings. Most people would consider that pretty rare.

Why are you lumping in murders with ALL types of deaths?

You're really missing the mark in this topic. Your trolling skills seem to be slipping.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

You're trying to make it really general.

I'm not. Current meteorological technology allows us to predict lightning strikes. That isn't to say that meteorologists predict where exactly every single strike will occur, only that they can accurately predict that they will occur.
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