Poll of the Day > Today marks two years of veganism

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LinkPizza posted...

And...

Animals eat animals sometimes. Humans are animals just like the other animals...

The difference is that we don't have to resort to eating other living things like wild animals, we have the option to not be barbaric.

YeetingBees posted...

LinkPizza posted...

And...

Animals eat animals sometimes. Humans are animals just like the other animals...

The difference is that we don't have to resort to eating other living things like wild animals, we have the option to not be barbaric.

Technically, other animals dont have to, either. But they do. The only thing thats really barbaric is that we mass produce them. Though, if we didnt, wed have to go back to hunting them. And wed lose lots of meat due to possible overhunting and due to some animals just not cut out for the wild... Or not cut out enough, I guess. Eh...
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LinkPizza posted...

Technically, other animals dont have to, either. But they do. The only thing thats really barbaric is that we mass produce them. Though, if we didnt, wed have to go back to hunting them. And wed lose lots of meat due to possible overhunting and due to some animals just not cut out for the wild... Or not cut out enough, I guess. Eh...

Do these animals have currency and grocery stores and readily available alternative options? Can carnivores stop eating meat? No, they can't just give it up. That is disingenuous. We have other options and we have to do better for them. We have a moral obligation to act because we have moral agency

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Doctor Foxx posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Technically, other animals dont have to, either. But they do. The only thing thats really barbaric is that we mass produce them. Though, if we didnt, wed have to go back to hunting them. And wed lose lots of meat due to possible overhunting and due to some animals just not cut out for the wild... Or not cut out enough, I guess. Eh...

Do these animals have currency and grocery stores and readily available alternative options? Can carnivores stop eating meat? No, they can't just give it up. That is disingenuous. We have other options and we have to do better for them. We have a moral obligation to act because we have moral agency

We could make food for them and leave it out. Technically.
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LinkPizza posted...

We could make food for them and leave it out. Technically.

That's on us and absolutely not on them. Some people do that by feeding their pets or other animals vegan food

But the animals can't actively choose to do it, therefore they are obligated

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Doctor Foxx posted...

LinkPizza posted...

We could make food for them and leave it out. Technically.

That's on us and absolutely not on them. Some people do that by feeding their pets or other animals vegan food

But the animals can't actively choose to do it, therefore they are obligated

Im just saying, we could do that. But we dont...
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LinkPizza posted...

Im just saying, we could do that. But we dont...

People could also stop eating meat and they don't

It would save a lot more animals than feeding wildlife

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LLinkPizza posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

LinkPizza posted...

We could make food for them and leave it out. Technically.

That's on us and absolutely not on them. Some people do that by feeding their pets or other animals vegan food

But the animals can't actively choose to do it, therefore they are obligated

Im just saying, we could do that. But we dont...

None of what we're doing in terms of eating animals is illegal.
Everyone has the right to obey their own moral code on this issue.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2474278305940771&id=513961555305799&sfnsn=mo
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SusanGreenEyes posted...

None of what we're doing in terms of eating animals is illegal.
Everyone has the right to obey their own moral code on this issue.

Legality should not be what you base morality on, history is full of atrocities that follow this reasoning.

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Doctor Foxx posted...

SusanGreenEyes posted...

None of what we're doing in terms of eating animals is illegal.
Everyone has the right to obey their own moral code on this issue.

Legality should not be what you base morality on, history is full of atrocities that follow this reasoning.

My morality is different from yours and I'm perfectly fine with that.
I don't need to seek your approval or anyone else's.
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SusanGreenEyes posted...

My morality is different from yours and I'm perfectly fine with that.
I don't need to seek your approval or anyone else's.

For being perfectly fine with something, you seem pretty triggered. Its not like anyone made you click on this topic, you sought out this argument

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SusanGreenEyes posted...

My morality is different from yours and I'm perfectly fine with that.
I don't need to seek your approval or anyone else's.

Why are you here time and time again to defend your actions. You gotta go out of your way to do that

I just want to talk about tofu

Tofu is really good

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Honestly? I don't care what people eat or don't. Like with anything though it's irksome when someone always pushes their views onto others. I feel the same about religion too. This made conversations with my late granddads late wife fun as she was very much a Jehovah's Witnesses and everyone who didn't follow her views would be "educated".

Doctor Foxx posted...

Tofu is really good

I've never had it. I would try it though.
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Congratulations!
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Doctor Foxx posted...

SusanGreenEyes posted...

None of what we're doing in terms of eating animals is illegal.
Everyone has the right to obey their own moral code on this issue.

Legality should not be what you base morality on, history is full of atrocities that follow this reasoning.

But eating isnt illegal, nor should it be. People just like different foods. They should have to give up the foods they like because other people dont like eating them.
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wwinterj25 posted...

I've never had it. I would try it though.

Went out for sushi last night and had so much tofu

I got some fruity tofu desert today that was good

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wwinterj25 posted...

I've never had it. I would try it though.

I dont know if the UK has Chipotle, but if they do, you can get some there...
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LinkPizza posted...

I dont know if the UK has Chipotle, but if they do, you can get some there...

I'm sure someplace in my city will sell it. They sell just about everything here.
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LinkPizza posted...

But eating isnt illegal, nor should it be. People just like different foods. They should have to give up the foods they like because other people dont like eating them.

I haven't proposed outlawing it and no one here has

Should people consider giving up something they take pleasure in that directly hurts (or kills) others?

I think they should at the least give it serious consideration

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Doctor Foxx posted...

LinkPizza posted...

But eating isnt illegal, nor should it be. People just like different foods. They should have to give up the foods they like because other people dont like eating them.

I haven't proposed outlawing it and no one here has

Should people consider giving up something they take pleasure in that directly hurts (or kills) others?

I think they should at the least give it serious consideration

I wouldnt assume they havent just because they decided not to give it up, though...
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Congrats Foxx! My wife is vegan and she's at a nice point in her life.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

barbaric practice

LMAO. Please stop it. This is too funny.

LinkPizza posted...

But wed definitely cause a few animals to go extinct.

Cows and chickens would because they've been so domesticated.

YeetingBees posted...

Because one literally comes from murdered sentient, living beings.

Nope. The word murder especially doesn't apply to animals.

Mead posted...

killing off bees and other useful insects with pesticides

Can they start killing mosquitoes?

Doctor Foxx posted...

Some people do that by feeding their pets or other animals vegan food

Those people are disgusting and the worst kind of person. Cats are carnivores and people like that should have their cats taken away from them.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Tofu is really good

It isn't. The sauces that marinate it are what makes it tasty.
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Revelation34 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Tofu is really good

It isn't. The sauces that marinate it are what makes it tasty.

I like the taste of tofu itself.
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Jen0125 posted...

I like the taste of tofu itself.

Me too. I have grown to appreciate the subtle flavor and smooth texture. Cold tofu in the summer is just lovely

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I don't like tofu, I wish I did.

Actually my problem is that almost everything I like is either chicken or beef related. I don't like almost any fruits at all (and pretty much just OJ...not even whole oranges).

I do like bread and cheese (so pizza), and pasta, but I'm diabetic so I can't eat that much.

There are some veggies I like but almost all of them require a meat sauce, or spicy sauce with pork pieces etc. Brocolli is my favorite veggie, but I really need a good meat sauce to go with it, although when I have briefly avoided meat a few times, I can substitute butter.

I just don't have enough non-meat choices, and I have mostly called myself a carnivore because of it.
I made it like a month without beef at least, would eat a salad every day for lunch and a ton of chicken or shrimp dishes, but yeah, I just don't have enough variety.

If they could just make a meat flavored sauce or something, that didn't have meat in it. You don't need to replicate the texture of meat etc like they are trying to do, just make something you can cook with, that simulates the flavor of (well for me beef), and I could eat veggies etc with that, and skip the meat. I like a veggie soup, or a barley soup etc, without meat chunks, as long as the broth has a meat flavor.

Alot of Chineese food (At a good place) can simulate or create flavors that make veggies, chicken etc taste delicious, even just string beans (Although I usually like the string beans and pork combo). Sadly there are no good chineese places near me, and try as I might, I have never been able to cook it well myself at home (even back when I had a wok etc).

I am still eating WAY less beef though, but I went back to putting it in my pasta sauce (along with itallian sausage (I now use 50% of each and about 1/2 as beef as I used to). I have only had steak once in the last month since moving as well.

Wish eating (and actually enjoying my food) was easier for me, meat aside. I don't have many things to look forward to in my life, and food is pretty much the main thing, so it's really important, but it's also really frustrating often.
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wolfy42 posted...

Brocolli is my favorite veggie, but I really need a good meat sauce

Wat. Who serves broccoli with a meat sauce?
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Revelation34 posted...

wolfy42 posted...

Brocolli is my favorite veggie, but I really need a good meat sauce

Wat. Who serves broccoli with a meat sauce?

Broccoli beef, or when I make steak, the steak juice flavors the broccoli etc:)

I pretty much like all my veggies with a beef flavoring honestly.
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wolfy42 posted...

Revelation34 posted...

wolfy42 posted...

Brocolli is my favorite veggie, but I really need a good meat sauce

Wat. Who serves broccoli with a meat sauce?

Broccoli beef, or when I make steak, the steak juice flavors the broccoli etc:)

I pretty much like all my veggies with a beef flavoring honestly.

While a meat sauce is probably good with Broccoli, I like mine with cheese...
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Revelation34 posted...

wolfy42 posted...

Brocolli is my favorite veggie, but I really need a good meat sauce

Wat. Who serves broccoli with a meat sauce?

You need to go to more restaurants.
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Shit I offered to bring dessert to dinner tonight and completely forgot the bakery was closed today

Panic time

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@Doctor_Foxx

Question: Do you feel any physical benefits of such a diet?

What are the pros?
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Shit I offered to bring dessert to dinner tonight and completely forgot the bakery was closed today

Panic time

Can you bake something in time for it?
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YeetingBees posted...

Omnis in full anti-vegan mode in this topic, not wanting to admit eating dead animals is a bad thing.

it isn't
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HornedLion posted...

@Doctor_Foxx

Question: Do you feel any physical benefits of such a diet?

What are the pros?

Better digestion, more sensitive taste buds, more even energy, get all the fiber, feel better about what I eat, poop every day quick no problem. It fixed my chronic decade long B12 deficiency lmao

I lost a little weight switching. Going to get my cholesterol tested, that was the other thing I was mostly curious about.

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https://www.businessinsider.com.au/meat-could-be-the-next-tobacco-as-governments-look-to-sin-taxes-as-a-solution-to-climate-change-2019-8

seems like a step in the right direction

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Mead posted...

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/meat-could-be-the-next-tobacco-as-governments-look-to-sin-taxes-as-a-solution-to-climate-change-2019-8

seems like a step in the right direction

Absolutely.
Some of us don't agree with eating meat, so let's punish those of us who do.
That's exactly how a democracy works.
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SusanGreenEyes posted...

Absolutely.
Some of us don't agree with eating meat, so let's punish those of us who do.
That's exactly how a democracy works.

Democracy works by a majority choosing what is best. Continuing our current path of mass meat production ruins the environment for everyone. Thats hardly the behavior of freedom loving people.

Once cultured meat is more of a reality things might be different but for the time being if we dont want to screw up our land, air, and sea, most people need to strongly consider at the very least eating less meat.

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SusanGreenEyes posted...

Mead posted...

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/meat-could-be-the-next-tobacco-as-governments-look-to-sin-taxes-as-a-solution-to-climate-change-2019-8

seems like a step in the right direction

Absolutely.
Some of us don't agree with eating meat, so let's punish those of us who do.
That's exactly how a democracy works.

I mean, wouldnt these proposed taxes be put in place by publicly-elected officials?
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Mead posted...

SusanGreenEyes posted...

Absolutely.
Some of us don't agree with eating meat, so let's punish those of us who do.
That's exactly how a democracy works.

Democracy works by a majority choosing what is best. Continuing our current path of mass meat production ruins the environment for everyone. Thats hardly the behavior of freedom loving people.

Once cultured meat is more of a reality things might be different but for the time being if we dont want to screw up our land, air, and sea, most people need to strongly consider at the very least eating less meat.

Do you really believe that over 51% of the American population are vegans though?
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SusanGreenEyes posted...

Do you really believe that over 51% of the American population are vegans though?

No but Im confident the majority are environmentally conscious and care enough about animal welfare to support alternatives to our currently destructive methods

Heck consumer data has shown that most of the consumer base for the beyond/impossible burgers are omnivores

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Just eat Bacon and drink Mead.
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Mead posted...

No but Im confident the majority are environmentally conscious and care enough about animal welfare to support alternatives to our currently destructive methods

Heck consumer data has shown that most of the consumer base for the beyond/impossible burgers are omnivores

It's changing too

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/andrew-coppolino-vegan-vegetarian-less-meat-restaurant-options-1.4889035

Only 84% of Canadians surveyed said they eat meat. I believe Canada is past the 10% mark for vegetarians in all national surveys at this point. Most people I know that still eat meat are reducing consumption as well.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Just eat Bacon and drink Mead.

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Mead posted...

Nice tits.
I was simply poking fun at you.
Not Vegans. Just you.
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Nice tits.

Thanks.

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Mead posted...

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/meat-could-be-the-next-tobacco-as-governments-look-to-sin-taxes-as-a-solution-to-climate-change-2019-8

seems like a step in the right direction

Well wouldn't be the first time Australia tried passing shitty laws.
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Mead posted...

SusanGreenEyes posted...

Do you really believe that over 51% of the American population are vegans though?

No but Im confident the majority are environmentally conscious and care enough about animal welfare to support alternatives to our currently destructive methods

Heck consumer data has shown that most of the consumer base for the beyond/impossible burgers are omnivores

If over 51 percent are not vegan than it's not democratically feasible to pass such a law regardless of whether some people are confidently predicting patterns of behaviors that are not being practiced by the majority of the population.
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SusanGreenEyes posted...

If over 51 percent are not vegan than it's not democratically feasible to pass such a law regardless of whether some people are confidently predicting patterns of behaviors that are not being practiced by the majority of the population.

Theyre not talking about proposing legislation to ban meat though. Your vegan majority argument makes no sense

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Mead posted...

SusanGreenEyes posted...

If over 51 percent are not vegan than it's not democratically feasible to pass such a law regardless of whether some people are confidently predicting patterns of behaviors that are not being practiced by the majority of the population.

Theyre not talking about proposing legislation to ban meat though. Your vegan majority argument makes no sense

The overarching question is: Why would carnivores and omnivores vote to tax the food that they eat so it becomes more expensive?
The answer is they wouldn't.
Attempting to predict patterns of behavior does not change this simply because some people hope it changes or because it aligns with their own moral code. None of this changes the number of people who choose to eat meat, and as a result this argument doesn't translate to the needed popular vote to pass this bill into law.
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The overarching question is: Why would carnivores and omnivores vote to tax the food that they eat so it becomes more expensive?
The answer is they wouldn't.

Cause maybe they give a shit? Last I checked youre not the Grand Poobah of all non vegans

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