Board 8 > MLB and Baseball Topic #2: Jeff Wilpon is an Embarrass-met

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The organization COMPLETELY misevaluated Alonso and McNeil, and thats why they added Cano and Lowrie. And thats why they're in a huge fucking whole for eternity. If they had only called up Alonso and McNeil last June when it made sense to call them up so you know what you got for next year, then you're not in this scenario and you know you dont have to add additional infield help. But the owners are so fucking cheap they didn't want to lose the year of service time that they FUCKING LOST ANYWAY by calling them up McNeil in august and alonso in Opening Day 2019 respectively, so it's literally just fucking stupidity.

Like there is no way to run a team worse with a combination of stupidity, cheapness, and stupidity in being so cheap that they can't see by spending a few bucks now they can save millions in the long run.

It drives me so fucking crazy how fucking simple this is and how they can't fucking understand any of this. Monkeys could literally do a better job.

it doesnt cost anything to call them up in June of last year when you're gonna call them up in August/April anyway, and then you see them excel, and you dont have to waste 40M a year on Cano and Lowrie and whoever, and you can put that towards the parts your team ACTUALLY needs, like bullpen and depth pitching
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and they chose not to call them up and see what they got at no cost to them. not only because they don't realize there's no cost difference, but also so they could get Jose Bautista and Adrian Gonzalez and Jose Reyes more playing team. CUZ FANS WANNA SEE THOSE GUYS PLAY CUZ THEY USED TO BE ALL STARS 5 YEARS AGO

remember this. This is why I say they are the worst. Because they are. Stupidity and Cheapness and Incompetence and Meddling and Ego=Driven decision making is an unbeatable combination.
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Cheapness
Refusal to take Responsibility (and scapegoating others)
Incompetence
Meddling
Ego-driven decision making
Stupidity

remember: CRIMES.

(h/t to @th3l3fty )
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This Yankees twins game is shameful
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4-4 after 11. The Giants need to either have a day off or stop with all the extra inning games.
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did that Giants game start at 7 Pacific? if so they're two innings past Yankees/Twins in 2 less hours.
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holy shit that catch Hicks

after a go-ahead home run in the 9th, too

worth like more than a win himself that game. and Didi probably was too. what a fucking crazy game.
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That Yankees/Twins game was such a wondrous disaster that I couldn't stop watching for a second that ended with two web gems including the last out which probably saved a game ending bases clearing double

Wtf was that game
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Xuxon posted...

did that Giants game start at 7 Pacific? if so they're two innings past Yankees/Twins in 2 less hours.

6:46 pm, but close enough.

And Panda with a walk off home run to close it out in the 13th. That's two 5-4 victories in a row. And two games above .500 now. And 11-2 since the break! We might make a run at one of the wild card slots yet.
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That Yankees/Twins game was amazing to watch. I can't really think of too many regular season games in recent memory that were that exciting. Definitely would have been harder to swallow though if the Yankees had lost.
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anything that helps ensure only 1 NL East team make the playoffs is fine by me
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It's 4AM and baseball is still happening
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I love that Wilkerson was just chucking fastballs in the 50s and got away with it. Made even better that Pujols was the final out.

First position player to ever record a save, apparently
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Yankees have only lost 2 in a row but I'm getting bad downward spiral premonitions
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Mets are gonna be forced to trade Syndergaard because they have literally no room to add to payroll for next year (re: Wilpon Budget Constraints) unless they ship out players beyond the expiring FAs (Wheeler, Vargas, Frazier). The payroll is at a base like $30M higher without them signing a single FA. They weren't willing to add payroll this year, so why would they next year, when the base is higher? And they are going to need 2, maybe 3 SPs.

There's no path to Mets contention in 2020 without spending a lot. They really dug their own fucking hole between the utter cheapness and stupidity of the Cano trade.

This is why you've been hearing they're so eager to move him. It's b/c they know the $ amount they have to spend next year if they keep him and it's super low. So it fucking sucks because any other fucking team wouldn't have fucked up this badly , but their refusal to spend forced this. Fuck the wilpons. They better get a goddamn haul for the guy if they ship him out.
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Giants won again.
In extra innings.
Again.
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WiggumFan267 posted...

Mets are gonna be forced to trade Syndergaard because they have literally no room to add to payroll for next year

Yankees are going to overpay for any decent pitcher, so if the Wilpons are smart they will get over their Yankee hatred. I honestly think they could get enough prospects from a deal like that to completely turn around the franchise.
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So Matz pitched a complete game shutout tonight. Good for him. Always want to see him do well.

As for the Yankees, it's great that they have such a big lead to protect them from this horrible stretch of games. Hopefully they can somehow conjure up a win against Sale tomorrow. I know he hasn't won at Fenway in a while. Or at least there was a period starting back from last season where he hasn't. But he also kills the Yankees.

Still kind of hoping for Stroman for the trade deadline since he appears to be the best of the realistic options.
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Orioles fighting hard to maintain their 69 losses
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This Brewers/Cubs series has been great, and I can't watch any of it because Sling and Fox can't reach an agreement.
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Ok so I'm not a Baseball person at all. My friends are coming to visit Sept 30th to Oct 10th and want to experience live American sports. I live in Orlando so it seems the fates have aligned to give them a shitty ass schedule (All Florida NFL teams on road or bye, All Magic games on the road, Virtually every Florida college team on the road except for Florida/Auburn game).

Is there any sort of baseball game I can take them to in that timeframe? I googled and it says Baseball season is still running but as I couldn't find any games I assume it is playoffs? Are the Rays likely to get a game in that timeframe? Is there like a college game I could go to or whatever the leagues below the MLB are called?

The playoffs for all the minor leagues should be done by then. Your best proximity bets for playoff baseball will be in Tampa Bay (Rays) and Atlanta (Braves).
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Is there any sort of baseball game I can take them to in that timeframe? I googled and it says Baseball season is still running but as I couldn't find any games I assume it is playoffs? Are the Rays likely to get a game in that timeframe? Is there like a college game I could go to or whatever the leagues below the MLB are called?

No. The only baseball happening during that time will be the World Series, and while it's theoretically possible the Rays could be in it, it's incredibly unlikely. There is no competitive minor league or college baseball in September/October either, as far as I'm aware, though I'll admit to not being an expert on that topic.

Playoffs didn't start last season until early October I believe. The World Series will certainly not be taking place in that time frame
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The problem is that the Rays would most likely only be playing as a wild card, which means they can be eliminated in one game.

Also they play in the worst stadium in baseball and have the least enthusiastic fans.
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wait, you're right

what the hell

how did I make that sort of silly error

Nelson_Mandela posted...

The problem is that the Rays would most likely only be playing as a wild card, which means they can be eliminated in one game.

Also they play in the worst stadium in baseball and have the least enthusiastic fans.

And I'm guessing that game isn't guaranteed to be at home either?

ShatteredElysium posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

The problem is that the Rays would most likely only be playing as a wild card, which means they can be eliminated in one game.

Also they play in the worst stadium in baseball and have the least enthusiastic fans.

And I'm guessing that game isn't guaranteed to be at home either?

Nope. And it would be the first week of October. IF they make it to the wild card game and win, then you can probably align a playoff series with their visit. But I would say none of that is likely.
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Fangraphs currently rates the Rays' chances of making it to the ALDS at 23.4%, which would guarantee at least one home playoff game. there's also a small chance they could be the home team for the wildcard game, maybe 10-20%. finally, Fangraphs has the chance at some sort of wild card tie at 15.2%, of which maybe a quarter of those scenarios results in a Rays tiebreaker home game, though that might be literally on September 30th.
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As much as Stroman embraced Toronto and was solid on the field, he was an incredibly unlikeable human being so I can't say I'm sad to see him go.
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Mets are about to acquire Stroman from the Jays for prospects lol. This is going to be bad for them, because this is clearly a precursor to them trading away Syndergaard (or some other good player/large contract) in order to clear room to add players next year.

They literally cannot add players next year without spending like $50-60M more than they did last year.
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this is stupid for the mets because they literally cannot compete next year without spending in ways they have never spent before. They would need to spend a lot by ANYONE'S standards, not just Wilpon standards.
and stroman is a free agent after next year. so how does this help them?
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LMFAO ITS LITERALLY FOR THEIR BEST 2 PITCHING PROSPECTS

The Mets gave up their best 2 pitching prospects in order to get a pitcher who they will only have use of until the end of 2020, and as I already said, they literally CANNOT COMPETE in 2020 without spending like the fucking Dodgers.

This is literally Brodie emptying out the Mets farm system for NOTHING. Just like he fucking did by trading the 2 top tier Mets prospects for Cano and Diaz.
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Yeah this makes no sense. The Mets inadvertently fuck the Yankees while fucking themselves yet again. The cancer has metastasized.
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Wow this trade makes absolutely no sense.
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trading anyone for stroman is a complete waste for the mets if they dont spend as needed in 2020.
Everyone's contract $ amounts skyrocket next year.
familia goes from like 8 million to 13 mil or something
lowrie goes from like 8 to 12
cespedes goes from like 23 to 29
All the arbitration raises will be crazy.
and theres a lot more too that go up like that.
all this on top of them still needing to add a fucking ton in FA., including overhauling the entire bullpen, fixing their defense, adding a quality CF, and still adding another pitcher, since they're losing Wheeler and Vargas.... oh and they still need to add pitching depth too. This, on top of the huge contract increases, costs a fuckton. Like a regular team fuckton, not a fuckton for the Wilpons. We already know they're not gonna spend, obv

this makes NO SENSE AT ALL, unless they magically spend like the Dodgers
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So you're saying this is good for the Jays
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It doesn't matter what prospects the Mets sent over, unless it was literally nothing. This sucks for the Mets not because of what they gave up but it makes literally no sense for them.

By my count as of right now, they still need to overhaul the bullpen, do something to fix the IF defense, add a CF, 1 SP, and SP Depth... almost all things they really needed to do headed into 19 and didn't. Now they have those same issues and everyone else has higher contracts.

So if they didnt do those things in 2019, why would they do them now? when the salary starts at a higher number?

Like, if Stroman had a 1.00 ERA next year and had the best season any pitcher has had in the last 100 years, it wouldn't change anything. The Mets still wouldn't be a playoff contender next year. Because they still need to address all the things I said above, and that's going to cost a fuckton, and they have never done that before. They could've done the same things last year WITHOUT spending a fuckton, and they didn't. Now it's too late
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This all of course assuming they keep Syndergaard.

It makes even less goddamn sense if they actually go ahead and trade Syndergaard now.
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I really think they did it just to spite the Yankees
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that is 100% a factor, we knew this all along though that they make moves in spite, so that shouldn't be surprising.

we gotta dredge up this article again huh? https://nypost.com/2017/12/21/fred-wilpon-irate-about-yankees-getting-giancarlo-stanton/
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Gutting a farm system is usually the price paid for winning. But the Mets have yet to accomplish very much for doing so. Maybe, they do ultimately. But as of now, they have not, and the path to get there isnt exactly clear.

(taken from Marc Carig, TheAthletic reporter... he's right on).
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Why would Brodie leave his comfy agent job just to be the Wilpons' bitch though? Unless he just underestimated their meddling.

But yeah if they did it to spite the Yankees that sounds too petty even for them.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Why would Brodie leave his comfy agent job just to be the Wilpons' bitch though? Unless he just underestimated their meddling.

Could not tell you. Makes no sense to me. An agent makes way more too. He, under orders, is doing moves just to make headlines. It's all ego-driven. And yes, its definitely partly to fuck the Yankees over. This is part of the huge list of reasons why the Wilpons need to be fucking forced out. Nothing they do is in any best interest of the team. It's all either in their own, making the back page, or to spite the Yankees.

Similar thing happened a few years ago, Yankees had a better offer to the Mets for Jay Bruce than the Indians did, but they chose to deal him to the Indians anyway for obvious reasons. This is a goddamn repeatable pattern.
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Also I have to imagine they're definitely trading Syndergaard or Wheeler because they already have five starters. It's looking like it will be Syndergaard. Very puzzling.
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Wheeler makes sense to trade at this point b/c he's a FA next year anyway. Vargas also. Trading Syndergaard, who is a FA after 2021, makes absolutely no sense, at least if you're trying to win. If you're trying to cut costs, it makes perfect sense
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Also he just tweeted (and deleted) an adorable pic of him as like a 5 year old in a little mets jacket and its adorable so I love him immediately.

He's a cool dude and I'm excited to have him pitch for my team. But the trade still doesn't make sense.
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https://twitter.com/YankeesWFAN/status/1155650428958388225?s=19

Yep, it was entirely spite. Congrats, Mets.
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lolmets
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Friends good news the Tigerz got swept in our 4 game series against the Mariners

sticking to the tank so good
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