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Reg
06/26/17 6:38:56 PM
#353:


LordoftheMorons posted...
BowserCuffs posted...

Actually, it's one of the best ways to get what you want.

An example in ReBoot is that one female character's bust size (it's been so long that I can't remember her name. Enzo's older sister). In order to get what they want, they actually went with something double the size so they could negoatiate down to that "reasonable" size, where if they had started from that, they wouldn't have been able to get it.

I mean I get the principle in general; if you were trying to get funding for a program there's really no downside to asking for more than you actually need and then negotiating. But here if you got less resistance than expected and ended up at $13 or something you might end up doing the opposite of what you wanted to do (help workers), whereas $10 might have helped them a lot.

Whether it's the correct tactic or not, you have to remember that people, by and large, aren't that smart.
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TheRock1525
06/26/17 6:45:44 PM
#354:


Also, did anyone point out that Trump is claiming Obama was actually colluding with Russia?
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Mr Lasastryke
06/26/17 6:50:17 PM
#355:


TheRock1525 posted...
Also, did anyone point out that Trump is claiming Obama was actually colluding with Russia?


we talked about it every time he tweeted about it (which has been a lot lately), yeah.
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Jakyl25
06/26/17 7:00:00 PM
#356:


How awkward when he's both colluding with Russia AND literally founding ISIS.

Maybe he's the puppet master and no puppet, no puppet.
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Jakyl25
06/26/17 7:01:40 PM
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Jakyl25
06/26/17 7:03:39 PM
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Jakyl25
06/26/17 7:08:57 PM
#359:


BowserCuffs posted...
My problem is that the Republicans have promised to ensure Obama has no legacy. This isn't even a question of what's good for America, they literally care more about erasing the last presidency, both good and bad, than they care about America.

How the FUCK is anyone supposed to reach a compromise with that?


Found one R willing

https://twitter.com/senatorcollins/status/879471862694256641
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LordoftheMorons
06/26/17 7:10:26 PM
#360:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/aliceollstein/status/879458283475619840

How do conservatives defend this??

This is the dude who brought a snowball into the Senate to disprove global warming

Not the brightest bulb
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BowserCuffs
06/26/17 7:12:19 PM
#361:


Jakyl25 posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
My problem is that the Republicans have promised to ensure Obama has no legacy. This isn't even a question of what's good for America, they literally care more about erasing the last presidency, both good and bad, than they care about America.

How the FUCK is anyone supposed to reach a compromise with that?


Found one R willing

https://twitter.com/senatorcollins/status/879471862694256641


Great, now to get the rest of them willing to discuss it rather than just going "fuck you lieberals" kneejerk.
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Kenri
06/26/17 7:13:56 PM
#362:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/879402801595633665

Spicer has this to say about our options

wow it would be great if he actually meant that
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LordoftheMorons
06/26/17 7:16:50 PM
#363:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/senatorcollins/status/879471862694256641

!!!
One down, two to go

(I know Heller has said no too, but I'm very worried he'll crack under pressure. Hopefully he'll prove me wrong.)
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Mr Lasastryke
06/26/17 7:17:23 PM
#364:


LordoftheMorons posted...
This is the dude who brought a snowball into the Senate to disprove global warming

Not the brightest bulb


seems like he out-muffin'd muffin as far as horrible attempts at disproving global warming go.
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red sox 777
06/26/17 7:17:41 PM
#365:


About time. Let's repeal Obamacare and get the ball rolling on single payer.
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SupremeZero
06/26/17 7:18:00 PM
#366:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/senatorcollins/status/879471862694256641

!!!
One down, two to go

(I know Heller has said no too, but I'm very worried he'll crack under pressure. Hopefully he'll prove me wrong.)

I kinda doubt it. Heller's already got problems from being on the right, being MORE right isn't going to win him his senate seat.
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red sox 777
06/26/17 7:21:22 PM
#367:


You can probably count on Rand Paul as a no.
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LordoftheMorons
06/26/17 7:23:38 PM
#368:


I would never count on Rand Paul for anything
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Jakyl25
06/26/17 7:24:12 PM
#369:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/senatorcollins/status/879471862694256641

!!!
One down, two to go

(I know Heller has said no too, but I'm very worried he'll crack under pressure. Hopefully he'll prove me wrong.)


https://twitter.com/steventdennis/status/879475706878713856

Boom
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Eddv
06/26/17 7:49:58 PM
#370:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/879402801595633665

Spicer has this to say about our options


Trump playing 4D chess toward getting us single payer eh
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GuessMyUserName
06/26/17 7:52:22 PM
#371:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-adviser-ivanka-trump-try-stay-politics-124524616.html

"I try to stay out of politics" - a White House adviser.

Also lmao,
Ivanka: "I make it clear where I stand on an issue [...] sometimes we agree, sometimes we disagree"

Fox: "What do disagree on?"

Ivanka: "You know I... Wejus-...y;know-....we-...we're different people, so there are areas we disagree and um, he respects..."

Fox: "What'd you think of this?" *smiles waving Us Weekly*
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Ivanka: "But no I think it's normal um to not have 100% aligned viewpoints on every issue, I think that would be, um, a very strange scenario. And I don't think anybody operates like that with a parent or within the context of an administration, and I think that all different viewpoints being at the table is a positive thing. And I think one of the things that in this country we don't have enough of is dialogue, and substantive dialogue, where people who have different opinions can speak about them freely and candidly."

Fox: "Your father's been great about that!" + continuing bullshit on smear campaigns of the evil left


She really does make it clear where she stands on the issues by once again dancing around with zero answer to the question.
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Mr Lasastryke
06/26/17 7:56:34 PM
#372:


lol, weren't a lot of people saying ivanka will become president someday?
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GuessMyUserName
06/26/17 7:57:05 PM
#373:


and

"Oh, an A, of course,” she said. “I’m slightly biased, but definitely an A."

bahahahahaha

"We disagree, I stand up to him!"
"Oh I'm biased, A+ dad~"
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GuessMyUserName
06/26/17 8:41:07 PM
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Jakyl25
06/26/17 8:45:58 PM
#375:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
lol, weren't a lot of people saying ivanka will become president someday?


I mean, that's a very political answer!

Just has to work on the confidence in spitting it out without shame
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Jakyl25
06/26/17 8:46:50 PM
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ChaosTonyV4
06/26/17 8:58:49 PM
#377:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Reg posted...
I'm like 95% sure that this came from the negotiating tactic mentality, and people disliked Hillary's idea/praised Bernie because Hillary was starting negotiations at the point she actually wanted, while Bernie would probably get negotiated down to around what Hillary was proposing.

I guess

It just seems really weird to me in principle to start from a negotiating position that you wouldn't actually want.


It's easy to understand if you think of it like an argument.

Both people think they're right and don't want to walk away a "loser", so you ask for more than what you actually need so when you cede ground your opposition has a measurable "win".
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Paratroopa1
06/26/17 9:01:52 PM
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AheadOfTheCurve
06/26/17 9:09:01 PM
#379:


I don't have time to read the dissertations. How and why was the vote 9-0? Are they just extending the travel ban stuff until October when they have more time to discuss it or something?

I can't imagine Ginsberg or Sotomayor approving it like this. Did I miss something?
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lordloki12
06/26/17 9:16:51 PM
#380:


AheadOfTheCurve posted...
I don't have time to read the dissertations. How and why was the vote 9-0? Are they just extending the travel ban stuff until October when they have more time to discuss it or something?

I can't imagine Ginsberg or Sotomayor approving it like this. Did I miss something?



The vote count was not released but Trump claimed it was unanimous and since people don't fact check the 9-0 count has spread. It took at least a majority vote for the partial reinstatement while they wait to hear arguments on it in the fall.
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LordoftheMorons
06/26/17 9:17:36 PM
#381:


AheadOfTheCurve posted...
I don't have time to read the dissertations. How and why was the vote 9-0? Are they just extending the travel ban stuff until October when they have more time to discuss it or something?

I can't imagine Ginsberg or Sotomayor approving it like this. Did I miss something?

It's kind of a compromise position. Basically, if a visitor from one of the six countries has ties to a US-based "person or entity" they can't be denied entry (so relatives of Americans, college students, new employees, etc aren't banned).

And yeah, they haven't actually ruled on the merits yet; this is just their ruling on the lower courts' stay, not on the ban itself.
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Mr Lasastryke
06/26/17 9:23:07 PM
#382:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
MarioSuperstar posted...
Ulti's gone from these topics?


as long as sephy doesn't @ him, yes.


i guess i was wrong about this.
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Jakyl25
06/26/17 9:23:15 PM
#383:


I can totally understand actual legit judges upholding the revised, TEMPORARY ban with the caveats for allowing people with documents.

As pointless as this ban is, something like that HAS to be within executive power.

He just, as usual, sabotaged his own right to do it by leaving "Muslim Ban" up on his platform site, and also by letting Rudy open his big mouth.
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red sox 777
06/26/17 9:30:57 PM
#384:


I saw that Thomas, Alito and Gorsuch filed a partial dissent saying they would have struck down the stay in its entirety. So, effectively, 9-0.
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Kenri
06/26/17 9:42:00 PM
#385:


GuessMyUserName posted...
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/23153955/PG_2017.06.26.US_Image-00-1.png

honestly the bigger question here is why the hell so many countries had so much faith in obama, like have they ever met the US before?
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Jakyl25
06/26/17 9:50:37 PM
#386:


Kenri posted...
honestly the bigger question here is why the hell so many countries had so much faith in obama, like have they ever met the US before?


Have you heard the man give a speech?
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Kenri
06/26/17 10:15:36 PM
#387:


Jakyl25 posted...
Have you heard the man give a speech?

Yeah but the question wasn't asking about faith in a president's public speaking ability (though if it was it would COMPLETELY explain the 70 point difference between Obama and Trump lmao)
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SupremeZero
06/26/17 10:16:27 PM
#388:


Kenri posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Have you heard the man give a speech?

Yeah but the question wasn't asking about faith in a president's public speaking ability (though if it was it would COMPLETELY explain the 70 point difference between Obama and Trump lmao)

What exactly do you think is the primary source of most of those countries exposure to Obama.
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Kenri
06/26/17 10:20:58 PM
#389:


SupremeZero posted...
What exactly do you think is the primary source of most of those countries exposure to Obama.

My primary source of exposure to any given used car salesman is talking to them about a used car, doesn't mean I trust what they say!
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GuessMyUserName
06/26/17 10:26:45 PM
#390:


Confidence rating comes from a binary answer, not a deep individual rating from each sample. It's not "The people of Sweden on average have 90% confidence in Obama", it's "90% of Sweden trusts Obama to do more right than wrong".
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Kenri
06/26/17 10:29:29 PM
#391:


Oh that explains a lot. I still feel like it's way too high though because like, regardless of how you feel about Obama as a person, I don't know why you'd fucking ever trust the president of the US to do the right thing for the world.
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Jakyl25
06/26/17 10:37:43 PM
#392:


GuessMyUserName posted...
Confidence rating comes from a binary answer, not a deep individual rating from each sample. It's not "The people of Sweden on average have 90% confidence in Obama", it's "90% of Sweden trusts Obama to do more right than wrong".


Basically a Rotten Tomatoes score
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GuessMyUserName
06/26/17 10:37:53 PM
#393:


When it comes to that, the votes become relative opinion. Obama comes off of 8 years of Bush, so Obama gets points for taking a better path. Obama pushes a lot of good that we're happy to see from the "leader of the free world", even if he still continues awful stuff we view as more "inevitable" from that position.
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StealThisSheen
06/26/17 10:39:12 PM
#394:


Kenri posted...
Oh that explains a lot. I still feel like it's way too high though because like, regardless of how you feel about Obama as a person, I don't know why you'd fucking ever trust the president of the US to do the right thing for the world.


I guess the world has a higher opinion of the country than you do!
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Kenri
06/26/17 11:36:43 PM
#395:


StealThisSheen posted...
I guess the world has a higher opinion of the country than you do!

To be fair it would be hard for it to be lower (Jordan probably pulls it off though), I just didn't expect it to be this much higher!

GuessMyUserName posted...
When it comes to that, the votes become relative opinion. Obama comes off of 8 years of Bush, so Obama gets points for taking a better path. Obama pushes a lot of good that we're happy to see from the "leader of the free world", even if he still continues awful stuff we view as more "inevitable" from that position.

This makes a lot of sense yeah. I feel like it's the same with, like, Trudeau (and though it might be too early to really tell, Macron), but it's most obvious to me with Obama probably just cuz I'm an American.
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LordoftheMorons
06/27/17 12:16:31 AM
#396:


https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/879551700075458560
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EmDubyaSee
06/27/17 12:22:24 AM
#397:


BowserCuffs posted...
My problem is that the Republicans have promised to ensure Obama has no legacy. This isn't even a question of what's good for America, they literally care more about erasing the last presidency, both good and bad, than they care about America.

How the FUCK is anyone supposed to reach a compromise with that?


What good?

There is none.


There isn't any compromise because erasing his legacy is more important than anything else because, without exaggeration, in EIGHT years, he did nothing even remotely positive for America. It is a lost decade for the country, and every blight that came from it needs to be erased like yesterday...
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Red Shifter
06/27/17 12:26:43 AM
#398:


who knew whining and stamping your feet like a child for 8 years was a winning strategy
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GuessMyUserName
06/27/17 12:26:47 AM
#399:


MWC: "Resurrect Osama bin Laden!!!!!"
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EmDubyaSee
06/27/17 12:33:49 AM
#400:


GuessMyUserName posted...
MWC: "Resurrect Osama bin Laden!!!!!"



Seal Team 6.

Not Obama...


How DARE you try to discredit those brave men, beat we have, by giving credit to the (treasonous) worst we've had since the Civil War.
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GuessMyUserName
06/27/17 12:38:47 AM
#401:


nah I'm pretty sure it all went down with Obama sliding down on a rope and snapping bin Laden's neck from behind
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scarletspeed7
06/27/17 12:39:37 AM
#402:


Seal Team Six couldn't do it without the order. THAT would have been treason.
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