Board 8 > $10,000 but you have to go to church every Sunday for the rest of your life

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Yes easily.

My church is awesome ^_^

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From: ExThaNemesis | #045

Guys church isn't really that bad. Literally just zone out for 45 minutes. I got through like a year of church by envisioning a DBZ fight inside the church when I was younger. (Android 17 vs. Vegeta, btw)

I can think of so much crap to do with that 10k right now. Would be nice.

Dude, with that hour or two hours of time a week, I could do so much more stuff. It's not about it being bad, it's about the deal being insufficient, that's all.

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It would need to be recurring at least yearly.

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That time really adds up though, ExTha. It... really adds up. Someone here has already crunched the numbers. $10k just isn't worth it once you do the math, unless you're already into the religion and whatnot of course.

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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Dude, with that hour or two hours of time a week, I could do so much more stuff. It's not about it being bad, it's about the deal being insufficient, that's all.

Saying it's not enough money is one thing, because that's a fair thing to argue.

But saying "Oh man, that one, maybe two hours a week... I could do so much with it?" What, exactly, do you do at that time that you'd suddenly miss out on.

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I also don't really think the "It's less than minimum wage" argument is very good, either, thinking about it, since... Yeah, it's less than minimum wage. But you're also not actually doing any work. You're sitting there. You shouldn't expect to make minimum wage for not actually doing anything.

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Fair, I guess. I wouldn't sacrifice that time at the Wat for this, though, personally.

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Easy C. Even if you're not religious, church is one of the best places to talk philosophy, as it's one of the few places you'll find trained philosophers/theologians (I assume this question allows you to choose your church). And really, taking an hour off each week to learn more about the people in your community and the religious ideology that grounds Western civilization seems like a sensible investment.

Unsurprising number of hipster answers here, though!

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Which Church?

If I can mix it up, and go to different churches/communities/religions and meditating there as well if they don't hold services count, then yes. If not, probably not.

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Free money withiut having to make any changes to my life whatsoever?

Yes, please.

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You shouldn't expect to make minimum wage for not actually doing anything.

Uhhh, yes, you should if your time is worth more than minimum wage. Unless you'd just be sitting around doing nothing normally too. Wages aren't all about difficulty of work, they're also about taking away potential money you could be making (or free time, once you get less and less of this this is actually valuable)

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Considering I almost do that now I would accept in a heartbeat.

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And really, taking an hour off each week

Doesn't even have to be an hour. I know churches that have 45 minute and even 30 minute services.

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52 Sundays in a year. 50 years of life left. 1 hour service.

That's 2600 hours. That's about 3.84 an hour.

Yeah. No.

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Not eveyone gets paid by the hour either.

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No. Not only would it cost almost that much money to actually drive to church, this isin't even feasibly possible.

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From: LOLGRIZZ | #058

Easy C. Even if you're not religious, church is one of the best places to talk philosophy, as it's one of the few places you'll find trained philosophers/theologians (I assume this question allows you to choose your church). And really, taking an hour off each week to learn more about the people in your community and the religious ideology that grounds Western civilization seems like a sensible investment.

Unsurprising number of hipster answers here, though!

I guess this is a pretty good answer too. Beyond that you get to become familiar with a large portion of your community, or meet a bunch of new people if you're traveling. One of the few things I liked about church was going to new churches when we were on vacation to see the different styles of mass/different people at them.

I dunno as much as I can't stand religion, I didn't mind church all that much aside from having to get up early on Sundays. The people I knew from my church were generally very quality.

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Oh that reminds me.

I have no idea where the most feasible nearest church is. The one I know is in another city.

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A service being 30 minutes is astounding to me. Services at my church are always at least two hours.
That being said, I ready go to church every week, so I'll take the money.

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Yeah, my service starts at 10:30 and lets out "around" 12, but usually closer to 12:30

I understand that some places offer shorter services, but I suppose they wouldn't include any music/worship and just get straight into the message, which is a shame.

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Catholic Mass only takes 45 when there are fewer people due to less music, shorter Eucharist and so forth. An hour is more standard though.

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Catholic mass for me only took an hour or less every Sunday, so that's what I'm going on.

I went to my buddies Mormon service one Sunday and wanted to tear my own eyes out. And his eyes out.

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No, I work Sundays most of the time anyway and if I'm not I'd rather be watching football or relaxing.

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I'd like to point out, even Ministers/Pastors/Priests miss like a sunday every 5 years or something.

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Since the money is up front, I assume the penalty for missing eventually would just be an automatic deduction of $10,000 from your assets to take the money back.

So the obvious loophole here is to accept the $10K, go to church every Sunday until you can turn that $10K into $20K and then stop.

With smart investing that would take how long?

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From: Jakyl25 | #079

Since the money is up front, I assume the penalty for missing eventually would just be an automatic deduction of $10,000 from your assets to take the money back.

So the obvious loophole here is to accept the $10K, go to church every Sunday until you can turn that $10K into $20K and then stop.

With smart investing that would take how long?

Commie-Jakyl missing the point! If you don't go to church, the penalty is ETERNAL HELLFIRE AND DAMNATION.

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I went to my buddies Mormon service one Sunday and wanted to tear my own eyes out. And his eyes out.

Ah, the Mormon Buddy Experience.

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Lopen posted...

You shouldn't expect to make minimum wage for not actually doing anything.

Uhhh, yes, you should if your time is worth more than minimum wage. Unless you'd just be sitting around doing nothing normally too. Wages aren't all about difficulty of work, they're also about taking away potential money you could be making (or free time, once you get less and less of this this is actually valuable)

So what are you doing that an hour on a Sunday morning is somehow costing you the price of minimum wage. Most work schedules can work around somebody's churchgoing schedule, so unless you're going to say your free time is somehow more valuable than others'...

Wages aren't about the difficulty of work, no, but they ARE about paying you for actual work. Try going into your job, sitting around, then being like "Oh, you're paying me since you're taking my free time" and see what happens.

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Free time isn't created equal, no. If I make more money than you working, my free time is worth more than yours, because I use that to re-energize/re-motivate my work time, which is more valuable than your work time, monetarily speaking. Also uh, certain fields/jobs let you be much more creative with your work schedules-- once you're out of the service industry work shifts aren't necessarily always "clock in for 8 hours clock out." It's often more like "here's a task, do it, and put the hours you worked while doing it." I absolutely could be working for that one hour on whatever project I happen to be working on for work. Not to say I necessarily would, but the fact that I could is enough.

I'm just saying if I make $30 an hour doing my job I'm not going to let you waste an hour of my time sitting around doing nothing for a meager $4. The gain just isn't significant enough relative to my income to forfeit an hour of my time. And realistically, with travel on either side and it disrupting planning, it's much more than that.

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No.

Now if it were 10k for doing nothing 1-2 hours every sunday I'd gladly say yes. Because I love doing nothing and just thinking about stuff every once in a while. But church is just utterly dull, boring and I'd get annoyed. That's considering the fact I'd have to pay attention of course.

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From: StealThisSheen | #082

So what are you doing that an hour on a Sunday morning is somehow costing you the price of minimum wage. Most work schedules can work around somebody's churchgoing schedule, so unless you're going to say your free time is somehow more valuable than others'...

Wages aren't about the difficulty of work, no, but they ARE about paying you for actual work. Try going into your job, sitting around, then being like "Oh, you're paying me since you're taking my free time" and see what happens.

Simply taking away your free time isn't worth anything to other people to make it worth paying you.


But your free time is worth something to YOU in the sense that unless you are getting paid enough to give it up, you will hold on to it. It gives me x amount of happiness to be able to sleep in on sundays, unless the amount I'm getting paid exceeds that then I won't give it up.

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To be fair, I'm pretty sure people who worry about losing the hour spend plenty of time doing nothing for at least an hour a week total.

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Yeah but is that going to magically disappear if you start going to church?

Does that one hour of nothing potentially interfere with your scheduling?

I'm just saying I value having that hour free more than I value a cup of starbucks. Even if I'm not going to be doing something every hour of every day. (Though for what it's worth I actually am doing something most all the time-- doesn't matter if it's productive it's more useful than listening to a sermon I don't want to hear)

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And I'm just saying, you're going to spend plenty of time doing nothing. Why not spend that time doing nothing and getting paid for it?

I mean, would you do if they just said "sit in this empty room for an hour" once a week?

And people act like you have to pay attention in church at all. As long as you don't snore, you could just take a nap in one of the upper balconies and no one would care.

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Because, unless I'm wrong, and I shouldn't be because that's what it says in the title, you're locking away all your saturday mornings for the rest of your life.

That includes being well into your 80s and unable to walk and still having to go(I guess?), or giving away cuddling with your gf all morning, or whatever else. The greatness of life is in its abstractiveness, you make what you want of it, and I can think of a million things that can be done in that time period. Since I only have one life, that's worth more than any money.

Not to mention it makes me wonder what kind of person I would be at the end of that life. Probably someone with very clouded judgement.

CoolCly posted...

From: StealThisSheen | #082

So what are you doing that an hour on a Sunday morning is somehow costing you the price of minimum wage. Most work schedules can work around somebody's churchgoing schedule, so unless you're going to say your free time is somehow more valuable than others'...

Wages aren't about the difficulty of work, no, but they ARE about paying you for actual work. Try going into your job, sitting around, then being like "Oh, you're paying me since you're taking my free time" and see what happens.

Simply taking away your free time isn't worth anything to other people to make it worth paying you.


But your free time is worth something to YOU in the sense that unless you are getting paid enough to give it up, you will hold on to it. It gives me x amount of happiness to be able to sleep in on sundays, unless the amount I'm getting paid exceeds that then I won't give it up.

That's completely fair to say. But your example isn't flat out comparing it to a job/something worthy of making minimum wage, either. Like, I get saying "I like ___, and it'd take X amount for me to stop doing that."

But then that's different from saying "That's less than minimum wage and I expect minimum wage" and having these expectations as if it's an actual job, when it's not.

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Minimum wage just creates a baseline to compare what your time is worth to, I think.

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Yeah, I get what he's trying to say, now. He just initially said it poorly, because it was phrased more like "No, because it doesn't pay me as much as a minimum wage job," and it was like "...But you're not doing any work, anyway, so that makes sense."

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Easily yes.

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CoolCly posted...

Minimum wage just creates a baseline to compare what your time is worth to, I think.

Technically, most stuff you do costs money. Want to play video games? You have to pay for the game, the system, the TV to play it on, the monitor, the electricity, etc. Unless you just bum off everyone else and they're all within walking distance.

There is a level of cost/time analysis, but I think setting the baseline as "I need minimum wage in order to do something that requires no work" doesn't make much sense.

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TheRock1525 posted...

There is a level of cost/time analysis, but I think setting the baseline as "I need minimum wage in order to do something that requires no work" doesn't make much sense.

Yeah, this is basically what I was trying to say. To me, it makes no sense to set the working minimum wage as the baseline for something that... Doesn't require actual work. Having some baseline based on love of sleep/etc., whatever baseline is one thing. But it seems kinda unfair to set the working minimum wage as a baseline since... Sitting for an hour is much different than working for an hour.

Regardless, I get the point he MEANT to make, and I don't argue it.

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That said, I don't at all agree with the argument of "If I make more money than you, my free time is more valuable than yours because I need to re-energize more."

Some of the most physically demanding jobs are also some of the least paying, so that's not necessarily a true connection to make at all.

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Minimum wage is the minimum amount you can be paid to work.

It makes sense to compare losing time to that. It doesn't mean "if it was minimum wage then I'd do it." The amount you'd actually be willing to give up your free time for is likely higher. But if you math it out and it's less then the bare minimum then it's just like "lol not even minimum wage, joke tier, no chance."

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I dunno. If somebody's like "I'll give you $5 to do nothing for the next hour," unless I had something I had to do, it'd seem fair to me. I wouldn't think "Well, no, because I could make $7.25 for an hour working at McDonalds, so it's not worth my time."

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StealThisSheen posted...

I dunno. If somebody's like "I'll give you $5 to do nothing for the next hour," unless I had something I had to do, it'd seem fair to me. I wouldn't think "Well, no, because I could make $7.25 for an hour working at McDonalds, so it's not worth my time."

Yeah, this. It's not about "weighing something against minimum wage" more than it's about "do I want the free time or the money?"

If someone offers me $5 to sit there, and I think I'd rather have the time than the $5, that makes sense. If someone offers me $5 to sit there, I don't go "Hmmm, I could be working and make more money."

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I'm assuming you guys who don't understand this have poorly paying jobs, are minors, or have never been swamped by work to the extent that you wish you had LESS hours not more. Take that free time where you can get it cause you'll wish you had it later.

$5 for an hour of my time is just... never going to be worth the money for me unless I'm really hurting for money. And unless you're scraping by to make ends meet, it shouldn't be for you either. It's not about "well I should get minimum wage" it's about "my time is worth a hell of a lot more than minimum wage because I make a hell of a lot more than that, so I know how much of my time should be used to earn a paltry $5 if I want money"

Yeah if times were especially hard I'd take this deal, I guess, but they're not.

And honestly? With many jobs I'd rather be working than listening to a boring sermon anyway. A lot of jobs are actually kinda interesting and aren't super stressful most of the time.

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