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asdf8562 posted...

To be frank, I agree with Gradius position on just educating people, and being tactful on that education. Circling back to your post...., where we disagree is calling it coddling. I also dont necessarily agree with the idea that we shouldn't talk about women struggles to men.

We should educate both men and women struggles. I think much of these struggles of men and women especially in the dating world is this oxymoron duality of cherry picked modernity and cherry picked traditionalism. I like to often focus on the dating market just because I think that's where a lot of these "gender wars" come from with both genders having issues in the dating world or relationships.

Regardless, a response to a struggle shouldnt be to bring up the opposite gender as a rebuttal, or say one needs coddling, or assume some nefarious thing because X bad person exists "so you kust be the same." Like, acting like some women arent pushing misandry and sexist demands on men... and if a man dares to voice that struggle he must hate women, or be a Tate fan, or think women dont matter.

We are not going to win these people back with that type of response and generalization to all men who dare to voice their struggle.

Let me try and explain using another example. Remember Black Lives Matter? Remember the All Lives Matter response? Black Lives Matter definitely caused racial resentment and white people to vote for Trump, because it wasn't actually about All Lives Mattering, they just don't care about Black Lives. And these stats show black people are being disproportionately killed by police, but it doesn't matter. If you tell white people that many of them just get mad and want to vote right to get back at them (go to any right wing space, they hate BLM and the protests even now, can't stop whining about them). The Men Struggle Too shit is like All Lives Matter but way worse, because white people getting killed by police is actually a pretty decent percentage of police killings, unlike rapes and murders committed by women.

So that's why I call it kid gloves and coddling. It's the same shit here. They don't want to hear about others struggles, only what you can do for them and that fucking sucks because I don't want to pretend these groups are remotely facing the same struggles, but we are being forced to.