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Geoffrey2004
06.23.2006 11:47:18 pm
#151:


No offense, but I'm probably more capable of arguing my point than you are. I took the name "lucid" for a reason, and am somewhat well known for being open-minded, and for winning arguments.

Well, you're not going to win this one. And probably doesn't mean definitely. And how about you tell me your definition of lucid?
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06.23.2006 11:47:45 pm
#152:


whoa Lucid you won man, he ran away to have nightmares of the brutal lashing you gave him. ah well I'm out I need to finish with my groudons coding and sleep.
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advancewarsnut
06.23.2006 11:49:27 pm
#153:


No, God wins, he has a 1337 ray that OHKO's anything it hits.
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Gojithefox
06.23.2006 11:49:53 pm
#154:


http://www.ozyandmillie.org/2006/om20060117.html
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Lucid Faia
06.23.2006 11:50:51 pm
#155:


And how about you tell me your definition of lucid?

The literal definition of lucid is "clear" and "aware," as in capable, open-minded, and rational free thought. I'm not held back by a religion, and I can think and speak freely, rather than conforming to the typical "form" and tactics of arguments, which is why I can call people out on tactics which are intended to make themselves look better, but don't really offer anything to the argument. Again, announcing that you're going to be mature and drop the argument does not make you mature, nor is it dropping the argument.

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Geoffrey2004
06.23.2006 11:54:51 pm
#156:


From the GameFAQs help section,

I have a right to free speech! What right do you have to delete my messages?

Yes, you may have a right to free speech, but not here. When you signed up for the GameFAQs message boards, you voluntarily gave up the right to certain kinds of speech in return for the ability to use the boards. If you do not feel that you can follow the rules here, you have the right to create your own message boards and make your own rules there. GameFAQs is a private business, and if you'd actually read the Bill of Rights, you'll see that "Freedom of Speech" applies to the government, not here.
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Lucid Faia
06.23.2006 11:57:22 pm
#157:


Obviously we are bound by a set of rules here. The problem is that I'm within that set of rules. Again, I have not had one message moderated yet.

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Ninja_killa
06.23.2006 11:58:51 pm
#158:


At first, I found this topic slightly amusing. However, it's now full of nothing but worthless pride and a **** choice of battle.

I honestly doubt that anyone is truly offended, and if you are, you need to sort out your damn priorities - however, that's another subject all together.

If you're offended, just mark it and leave. No need to waste your time arguing and fueling a flame war over something as trivial as to what is considered offensive by the ToS.
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Lifeservant7
06.23.2006 11:59:04 pm
#159:


This topic is stupid. Not only is it offensive to many people(including myself), but the topic creator continually acts like he did nothing wrong. FYI, you said God was a "fictional character" like it was a fact, not opinion. It can also be considered an insult that you just said a "pokemon" could defeat what is the most powerful being in existence to about, what, 2.5-3mil people?
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MegaPowerNinja
06.24.2006 12:01:37 am
#160:


Hey all, I'm back. Did we figure out a moveset for God yet?
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Gojithefox
06.24.2006 12:03:35 am
#161:


Lucid, for all your 'awareness', you haven't addressed my points. You speak of being open-minded, but you still refuse to respect the religions. "As I said before, I'm not going to change just to suit your lifestyle and your beliefs, religious or otherwise." I take that to mean you're not going to start acting more mature.

Fact: People believe in God.
Fact: People deserve the right to visit message boards without be directly offended.
Fact: By calling God fictional, you have directly offended these people.
Fact: You refuse to cease AFTER ADMITING that people were offended, despite not being your intention.
Fact: This is called trolling as you knowingly engage in activities designed to irritate other people.

I'm only asking you to stop. This is a board to discuss Pokemon in a (pseudo) serious manner. Discussion of God in any form not including as an adjective (i.e. godly) is off-topic. Even the Lumbert threads have more staying power than this due to the fact that they at least don't insult people's religions.
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MegaPowerNinja
06.24.2006 12:14:04 am
#162:


There is a difference between Lucid insulting people with his posts and you feeling insulted. The reason Lucid hasn't been moderated yet is that, despite your complaining and getting all riled up at him.. He has yet to break the terms of service a single time.

I on the other hand, have one moderated message that has been contested and overturned. You guys however... seem to have quite a few. Drop your arguments because you are not going to win. Plain. And. Simple. You all are clearly the offenders because whether or not you realize it... you have invaded this topic (a joke topic it may be.)

You guys are the ones at fault here in the eyes of the GameFAQs Terms of Service. If I were you, I would make this message the last one posted in this thread. If you really hate it so much, just let it sink to the bottom of the forum and get purged. I have been watching this argument unfold and he is clearly the winner of it.. There is not a single point where you all have any points over him.

Let it be. You lose. You get nothing. Good day sirs. Go back to your lives and let the lump he gave you heal.

However, if you wish to continue this fruitless argument.. I will be more than happy to take up Lucid's position.
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Gojithefox
06.24.2006 12:24:40 am
#163:


Believe it or not, I have not had a single moderated message. Please stop grouping me with others. Please debate me directly.
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MegaPowerNinja
06.24.2006 12:26:21 am
#164:


Goji, I would like to address your points one by one in Lucid's stead.

Fact: People believe in God.
Thats good... people need spirituality I suppose. However, I fail to see how this is relevant to the topic at hand.

Fact: People deserve the right to visit message boards without be directly offended.

This is true as well, but Lucid is not at fault for the way people can incorrectly interpret things.. This topic is a joke, and that is *painfully* obvious. Get a sense of humor, or grow up. Pick one.

Fact: By calling God fictional, you have directly offended these people.

Lucid is free to offer his opinion that God is a fictional character as long as it is not in an offensive manner. He did not insult anyone who believes in God once. (You all however, have insulted him many times.)

Fact: You refuse to cease AFTER ADMITING that people were offended, despite not being your intention.

This has already been covered. It is your problem if you are offended by anything he has said, being that it has not been stated in an insulting manner. Whether or not to continue posting in this topic is at Lucid's discretion alone. Noone elses. As it is your option to simply leave.


Fact: This is called trolling as you knowingly engage in activities designed to irritate other people.


Trolling is decided by intent. Anyone with an open mind would not fail to see that this is a topic not to be taken seriously.

There, I have covered all of your points, Goji.. the valid ones anyway... if any.

Stop posting, and leave.
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Geoffrey2004
06.24.2006 12:27:18 am
#165:


He's not the only one who hasn't been modded!
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Check_mate
06.24.2006 12:32:35 am
#166:


Hah.

Well, it appears that heathens, like Lucid Faia, has faltered once again in the face of overwhelming religious evidence.
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Gojithefox
06.24.2006 12:33:18 am
#167:


Rather, you should stop posting. Intent to hurt is apparent when you know the risks. For an extreme example I could point a gun and fire it. According to you, any person hurt by it shouldn't have been in front of the gun in the first place, thus it is their fault. According to me, it is the gun-holder's fault for firing the gun in the first place.
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MegaPowerNinja
06.24.2006 12:41:17 am
#168:


Lucid held out a gun in an open plain and started firing. You guys all ran out of the woods and jumped right in front of the bullets. How is this his fault? Give it up already.
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Geoffrey2004
06.24.2006 12:42:35 am
#169:


Because if he didn't, the people you used as an example wouldn't be dead.
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MegaPowerNinja
06.24.2006 12:43:13 am
#170:


But they wouldnt be dead if they would have just stayed in the woods, get me?
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Gojithefox
06.24.2006 12:45:33 am
#171:


The situation wouldn't have happened at all if the Topic Creator merely kept religious-oriented conversation out of the boards.
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Geoffrey2004
06.24.2006 12:46:45 am
#172:


But he still fired the gun! Therefore, he killed them, they didn't kill themselves!
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Yameneko549
06.24.2006 12:47:48 am
#173:


You know, there was a topic similar to this at one point. The topic was modded for off-topic and the creator got a 20KL. I wonder if the same will happen here...
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MegaPowerNinja
06.24.2006 12:52:22 am
#174:


But he still fired the gun! Therefore, he killed them, they didn't kill themselves!

Yes, they did. Think of it this way, if you run out into the freeway, and get hit by a truck.. You just killed yourself.
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MegaPowerNinja
06.24.2006 12:53:13 am
#175:


Goji, everyone who is arguing with him are the ones that took it to a religious level.
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Geoffrey2004
06.24.2006 12:53:37 am
#176:


But the truck driver isn't intent on running him over, while, in your case, Lucid was.
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MegaPowerNinja
06.24.2006 12:55:26 am
#177:


No.... I cant tell you how many times it has been stated. Lucid started this topic as a joke with no intent other than humor.
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Yameneko549
06.24.2006 12:56:51 am
#178:


Goji, everyone who is arguing with him are the ones that took it to a religious level.

That's not how the mod saw it.

Talk about God or Religion of any kind is not supposed to be a part of the game board. Social Board, maybe, but not the main game board. To quote the page when you make a new topic:

This game board is exclusively for the discussion of this particular game. Topics that do not directly address how to play the game or its storyline will be deleted or moved to another board.
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Geoffrey2004
06.24.2006 12:57:11 am
#179:


I'm not Christian, but you're still offending people on this board. I'm not defending myself, I'm defending the people of this board!
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Yameneko549
06.24.2006 12:57:59 am
#180:


how *I* saw it.

I really should stop typing in chat before I go to post a topic.
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Lucid Faia
06.24.2006 12:59:19 am
#181:


It's like it never gets through, no matter how many times I say it. I'm not intending to offend anyone. In fact, if I have offended anyone, I'm sorry I have.

...What I'm not sorry for is for making the topic in the first place, or for making any replies to it. If I thought the people here had reasonable objections to the topic, I would have retracted my comments and apologized. However, I don't feel that way; I don't think anyone here is actually offended, nor should they be. It's a harmless joke, blown out of proportion.

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Gojithefox
06.24.2006 12:59:28 am
#182:


Regardless, rather than just let the joke topic die under the opposition, he sought to defend himself. It's like telling a racial joke to the topic of the joke. It may be funny to the teller, but it has unintended offense to the listener. In which, the joke teller should simply apologize and move on.
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Geoffrey2004
06.24.2006 1:00:11 am
#183:


But he is clearly intent on offending people, as he has continued to do so. If it really was merely intended as a joke, this would have been over a long time ago.
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Gojithefox
06.24.2006 1:00:31 am
#184:


People have STATED that they were offended by it.
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zeroexe2
06.24.2006 1:01:24 am
#185:


one how can a pokemon beat god he is all powerfull and second pokemon arn't real so no mater what god would pown him.
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MegaPowerNinja
06.24.2006 1:01:29 am
#186:


I think these people are having a hard time swallowing that.
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Lucid Faia
06.24.2006 1:01:59 am
#187:


People have STATED that they were offended by it.

People are full of it.

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MegaPowerNinja
06.24.2006 1:02:19 am
#188:


one how can a pokemon beat god he is all powerfull and second pokemon arn't real so no mater what god would pown him.

This is exactly the kind of post that *should* be appearing in this topic.
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Geoffrey2004
06.24.2006 1:03:41 am
#189:


People are full of it.

Like you? You just offended them, yet AGAIN, by saying they are lying!
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Yameneko549
06.24.2006 1:04:13 am
#190:


Notice how I make sense and nobody listens? *sigh*
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Lucid Faia
06.24.2006 1:04:52 am
#191:


You just offended them, yet AGAIN, by saying they are lying!

Also, they smell funny.

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glory of power metal
06.24.2006 1:05:04 am
#192:


This is one of the fastest growing topics I've ever seen.
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Lucid Faia
06.24.2006 1:05:49 am
#193:


This is one of the fastest growing topics I've ever seen.

I love your username. Power metal owns.

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MetroidSSBM
06.24.2006 1:06:21 am
#194:


I know how to end this.

Anyone who posts after this is a ***** ******.

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Gojithefox
06.24.2006 1:06:27 am
#195:


The fault lies not in the creation of the joke, but in its continuation.

Here's what should happen.

Joker: Blah Blah Blah.
Audience: We find that offensive.
Joker: Oh, sorry.
-Topic dies-

Here's what is happening.

Joker: Blah Blah Blah
Audience: We find that offensive.
Joker: I don't care if you find it offensive.
Audience: But we do.
Joker: But I don't believe you're really insulted.
Audience: But we are.
Joker: Well, get over it.
Audience: No, you should apologize.
Joker: No, you're just close-minded.
Audience: No, you're a bigot.
Joker: Blah blah blah.
Audience: Blah blah blah.
-Topic continues for over 200 posts-
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Sir Albel
06.24.2006 1:07:05 am
#196:


Jeez, this topic sprung up out of nowhere like a Starbucks.
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Geoffrey2004
06.24.2006 1:08:06 am
#197:


How many alts do you have Albel? I've never seen that one.
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xxGulchxx
06.24.2006 1:08:35 am
#198:


God = Missingno.?
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Yameneko549
06.24.2006 1:08:56 am
#199:


Great... Sacred Gem boy AUNAO has entered the battle.
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Geoffrey2004
06.24.2006 1:09:36 am
#200:


Uh, no. Missingno=glitch
Please try to stay with us.
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